Controversy over roll-out of universal credit and the so-called 'rape clause' - Shadow NI Secretary @OwenSmith_MP hits out over benefit system changes

"The Tories are just making matters worse for women and professionals in NI with this deceitful defence of their appalling rape clause" the words of Shadow Secretary of State Owen Smith this morning. He's referring to one one of the most controversial elements of Universal Credit. The rape clause is the name critics have given to the Conservative government's plans to restrict child tax credits and Universal Credit to a parent's first two children. Benefits for any subsequent children can be paid if their mothers declare they were conceived by rape. Stephen spoke to Owen Smith and BBC NI Economics and Business Editor, John Campbell.