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Regan: [00:00:00] Hello, friends, and welcome to the Mr. Pick Me and the Man Hater podcast.

Chesko: Grrr, she hates this man.

Regan: I am Regan. A. K. A. the man hater.

Chesko: I don't think Regan did hate men until she did a podcast with me.

Regan: You know what? It didn't help.

Chesko: I am doing my best to make us not liars.

Regan: Well, and you're Mr. Pick Me, even though you've already been picked.

Chesko: Chesco is my name.

Regan: You're actively annoying a woman. Like, so, yeah, I don't think you are a pick me, cause No. You're actively getting me too much when I punch you.

Chesko: I was gonna, I didn't, I didn't finish the rhyme or it's gonna be in my head. Ask me again and I'll tell you the same. Tesco is my name. Oh,

Regan: oh, oh.

Regan: I'm sorry, I totally forgot the first line there. I was like It's

Chesko: okay, it was in my head and if I didn't say it, it the whole show. The entire show, but like, I [00:01:00] gotta say it. How do I work this

Regan: out? Ask me again and I'll tell you the same. What? What? What are you talking about? Nothing.

Chesko: I'm at the doctor's office later.

Regan: And I'm like, what? They're like, Taking her in and you're like, I'll tell you the same. Same.

Chesko: I'm sorry, I've been holding that in for hours.

Regan: Well, Tesco, What else can you tell me? What are we doing today?

Chesko: Today we're gonna talk about Tesco. Men almost, I don't know how to say this, but apparently a widespread problem with men putting them and their families at risk while driving cars and for the sake of being manly.

Chesko: Theme song![00:02:00]

Regan: If you ever start speaking in rhyme, I love the good rhyme, but I'm out of here.

Chesko: Well, I guess I'm no longer inviting you to be a part of my musical theater improv podcast.

Regan: That's this one. We literally do it all the

Chesko: time. So sorry. By the way, all right, before I get into the video, I want to share, so the other day, this is, we're just talking about your brain remembering stuff at the wrong and opportune times.

Chesko: Sure. Um, I've been fighting for my life not to do this, but I had a memory. Popping in my head, from 17 years ago. So this was a long time ago, it was, I'm not going to be too specific about it, uh, but it was, it was nothing bad. It was just something awkward that happened, and I remember someone looking at me and getting mad at me, and like walking away, or like feeling really annoyed with me, and me being very confused at the time.

Chesko: And I realized that it, what it was. It's because I have, I have a couple of weird verbal, like nonverbal stims, um, or like kind of tics that I do, like rolling my eye is one of them. I [00:03:00] have these tics, especially when I get really tired or nervous or have a lot of anxiety that come out and I realized that they thought I was like, Openly mocking them

Chesko: and I, and it just clicked 17 years later and I'm in, it was, I'm in bed about to fall asleep and I went, Oh my God, that's what happened. And it, and I, they don't, they're not even a friend. I know who they are. Cause it's somebody very specific to the college, uh, that I, that I was at that I know where they were.

Chesko: I, I know how to find this person. Okay. And I, they, they're not going to remember.

Regan: Please don't find them. 17.

Chesko: I am fighting for my life to be like, Hey, do you remember in 2007 when this happened? No? Well then, can I explain to you? I guarantee you they'd be like, What? What are you talking [00:04:00] about? Who the fuck are you?

Chesko: Who are you? Do you have a podcast? What is this? I don't Is this a joke? Is this a prank? I

Regan: So, when I think really hard, Like I get lost in my head a lot. I stare the amount of times I have been making eye contact when I come back into my own body. I'm like, Oh shit. Sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not looking at you.

Regan: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm not staring at you.

Chesko: That's the, uh, the people, the people watching aspect of me too is, it's so where I'll, I'll realize it sometimes that I've just been like staring at. Or, but like, you're right though, there'll be times where I will just kind of drift off into my, my chest space.

Chesko: And, uh, and I realized like, I'm at a coffee shop and just kind of like, Thinking about something. Yeah, staring eyes. Oh god. I was not I swear to you. I was not Creepily just focus on your face or staring at your knees like [00:05:00]

Regan: He's a knee creeper

Chesko: There's a there's a guy that goes up there's a uh, man, we're gonna get to our Topic today at some point I swear there's there's a uh, I'm responsible for my own algorithm online I want to admit that and take ownership of this There's a guy that goes up to people and acts creepy and he says hey, uh, how's how's it going there?

Chesko: I just noticed you know, she had a nice set of knees and it's not like he's going up to like random old men And like other people and he's like, uh, and the guys the guys are always like

Regan: what?

Chesko: He's like, yeah I just noticed I'm, I'm a photographer. Oh. And I do, uh, you got a nice pair of caps there, uh, kneecaps.

Chesko: Uh, and I was, and he'd, he'd show them and he'd like, flip through his phone and it's a bunch of knees, and no, and more, more than once this random, and, and it, I don't think they're good enough actors for it to feel like this real, but more than once, they would be, they would agree and let him take a picture.

Chesko: Of their knees.

Regan: [00:06:00] Yeah, women would be like, absolutely not. I don't know what you're into, sir.

Chesko: The videos I saw were all men. The men are like,

Regan: oh, well, sure, surely. You've noticed my knobby knees? Well, please, take a photo.

Chesko: That is so funny. They're like, you like my knees?

Regan: Oh my god. Stop. Stop it. Let

Chesko: me just show you there's a less, uh, weird one of a guy that goes up to people in stores and he goes, Hey, look at this cutie patootie right here.

Chesko: And guys are like,

Regan: Me?

Chesko: Me? I,

Regan: I mean, men do, there is a thing about giving men random compliments that they seem to really be like, oh, also, why is your feed just men going up to other men and saying strange things?

Chesko: I am responsible for my own algorithm. My humor is very

Regan: U knee.

Chesko: U

Regan: knee?

Chesko: Oh my god! Blah

Regan: blah blah.

Regan: Blah blah.

Regan: [00:07:00] Let's talk about weirdos. Come on.

Chesko: Okay so, in today's video there is a uh, it's a woman. She's driving with her husband. And it's raining and there's water all on the windshield. And she just writes in text, Anyone else's husband refused to use windshield wipers and it stresses you out because you can't see.

Chesko: And so, my wife said, What? She was like, That can't be a thing. Yeah, she was like, what? Of course not. She was like, Oh my God, I have to show you this. That's what she's sitting there, sitting next to me. And there's a poll in the comments says, does anybody else's husband not use the windshield wipers? If, if I can't see, how can he?

Chesko: 76 percent of the respondents said their husbands do not use windshield wipers.

Regan: Why? Why? Why would you not use windshield wipers? You like, it's just wipes the windshield. Like, like only, only ladies use windshield

Chesko: wipers. I can see through a [00:08:00] waterfall. Real men don't need wipers to assist them while they're driving.

Chesko: My ancestors didn't have windshield wipers when driving here.

Regan: These men are absolute, like, liabilities. Like, they don't use windshield wipers. They won't ask for directions. Like, Come on.

Chesko: Someone said, uh, that her husband says he sees better when they're, uh, I was like, I think her husband needs glasses.

Regan: No, that is, that is a guy who can't admit that like he needs help.

Regan: And so he's like, actually, you know, when, when there's buckets of water on the windshield, I actually think I see better. I think I actually can see clearer.

Chesko: Actually. Well, um, I feel like this started where it's, it's like one time for every one of these men. I'm going to, I'm going to generalize where they forgot to turn on the windshield wiper and their wife said, did you forget to turn the windshield wiper?

Chesko: No, no, shut up. He had a drive. [00:09:00]

Regan: You know what? I like it. I like when there's water. I feel like Aquaman.

Chesko: Yeah, that's their reality now that they have to live it. Yeah. Cause they either have to admit that they forgot to turn on their wipers, or

Regan: You know, safety of their family be damned.

Chesko: Nope. And somebody said, you mean my husband's not the only one who does this?

Chesko: Finally, I found my people. While you're too, uh, too busy looking at the water, he's looking through the water. He can see just fine. Heh.

Regan: Who said that?

Chesko: The guy that wrote that.

Regan: I'm sorry, but like, you cannot see better through water than you can see through no water. No. Sorry. That's just a fact.

Chesko: The, the, the amount of things that are guy things that are just harming, self harm. It's so bad. Like, there are guys that are like, I can't use lotion. They don't wipe their butts. They don't [00:10:00] wipe their butts.

Chesko: I mean, that's, we don't have to bring that up again. Sorry guys, sorry, sorry, sorry. The amount of, oh my god, infections probably men have that are, they're hiding against. Oh my god. It's like. We talk about misogyny and the patriarchy harming everyone. It's like, these guys are like, they could have a better life.

Regan: If they could see. You could see when you're

Chesko: driving.

Regan: There's a better life where you can see. Yeah.

Chesko: Someone said my husband can't find condiments in the fridge. I know he can't see out with all that damn rain I think my husband does it to piss me off and then when it stops raining He keeps the wipers on squeaking on the dry glass

Regan: Why are they little baby children?

Regan: Stop it like like oh god It's like this is to punish you for wanting me to see while driving. So we don't all die

Chesko: You know, I actually wonder if that's a part of it too, if they notice that their wife is uncomfortable or the person driving with them and it's a power trip thing.

Regan: [00:11:00] I think a lot of things are a power

Chesko: trip.

Chesko: It's like, hmm, look at this, look at this, you're uncomfortable, you're scared right now, I like you being scared. Oh god, that's creepy, but it's true probably.

Regan: Probably, well, or like,

Chesko: A part of it.

Regan: I do think they get off on that uncomfortable. Like, I'm not uncomfortable and you are. You are. So can I tell you something?

Regan: Yeah. Do you have more on that or can I tell you something? No,

Chesko: no, we can, we can talk.

Regan: So speaking of like the, the hoops men have to jump through to prove their masculinity, there was a company coming out, uh, for makeup for men. So I guess men can't use the other makeup.

Chesko: It burns our skin. It

Regan: burns. I tried

Chesko: putting foundation on once for a show and I almost died.

Chesko: It turned into glitter immediately. Oh, it was so wild. All of a sudden I said, I kissed and got all these things in my mouth. Castmates, it was weird. Never again. It [00:12:00] was the makeup that did it. The makeup! The fumes from the makeup. It just, it put me in a hypnotic Anyways I don't know if it's the makeup talking, John, but you have beautiful eyes.

Regan: John, I don't know if this is my eyeliner or just my eyes, but god damn, do you look striking in that leotard.

Chesko: Has anyone ever told you how pretty your lips are?

Regan: I want to put my mouth on your mouth. Mmm.

Chesko: Kill it! Thoughts. Hear me out. Let's try something. So what's going on here? It was the makeup. Beautiful.

Chesko: I couldn't tell the difference. I thought it was the lady. Ah, that's what

Regan: it was. Oh my God. Okay. So they, there was a brand that made makeup for men. Would you like to guess? The brand's name.

Chesko: Alright, Make Up For Men. I mean, Man Up?

Chesko: Man Up? Um, Warpaint. [00:13:00] Warpaint. Is it something like that? It's Warpaint! No! No! It's literally Warpaint!

Regan: Called war paint, because if a man's going to wear makeup, he's got to call it war paint. Like

Chesko: I didn't even want to think if it was like actual commando paint. Like they're camouflaging themselves.

Regan: It's foundation.

Chesko: Like,

Regan: can you imagine? Like, you know, a man talking to a soldier and he's like, yeah, I had my war paint on. And the guy's like, me too. Like, oh, what, what's your shade?

Chesko: Complete tangent, my favorite, or one of my favorite dad jokes is when someone's wearing, like, camouflage print somewhere. Uh huh. They have, like, camouflage pants on. He's walking,

Regan: where are your legs? Have you seen, oh my god, there was, um, like, a girl and a guy, like, I think they [00:14:00] were just kind of starting to date and flirt and they were snapchatting each other and he was wearing camo pants and So she made the joke.

Regan: She's like, oh, where are your legs? I can't see your legs. And he's like, fuck you bitch I work out every single day. How dare you say that to me? And she's like, it was a camo pants

Chesko: It's so insecure! I don't skip leg day! I do leg day every day! I have to do leg day every day! Okay,

Regan: listen, listen to this Warpaint.

Regan: Okay, hold up. Our mission, because, Lord knows, men need a mission! Of course, it's Warpaint. If they're gonna wear makeup. Yeah.

Chesko: If you choose to accept it.

Regan: Oh god, you too can take on the terrorist of redness and acne. Makeup isn't only for women, and neither is confidence. It's for everyone that wants it. And if you want a men's brand that speaks to you, looks fucking cool in your bathroom, and stands for something more than just [00:15:00] products, we've got your back.

Regan: Like, stop! Stop! Stop it. Fucking stop it. That's insane. Just to get men to wear makeup.

Chesko: That is absolutely absurd.

Regan: War paint. Oh my God. Do they, what kind

Chesko: of products are they? Is it all just standard?

Regan: Game changer moisturizer.

Chesko: No. Uh,

Regan: concealer, tinted moisturizer, foundation, face sponge, anti shine powder, brown bronzer, a couple of brushes, a bag.

Chesko: I was hoping they would have better, uh, Titles for them instead of like concealer.

Regan: Yeah,

Chesko: like it would be like silencer

Chesko: Or like anti shine powder would be like, um

Regan: gay away

Chesko: Um,

Regan: i'm gay so I could say that

Chesko: yeah to be clear if you're a first time [00:16:00] listener I did not make if you couldn't tell the difference between our voices there. That was reagan.

Regan: That was me

Chesko: That

Regan: was me.

Chesko: Face sponge. I don't know. They really missed out on an opportunity here. They could have taken some time.

Chesko: We're riffing here, but beard and brow gel? Like, like, Blush enhancer. No way. It's a different product,

Regan: Kisco. I feel like the sponge could be like, sponge knuckles.

Chesko: Sponge Knuckles.

Regan: Like Brad Stucco's foot

Chesko: sponge. Sponge Knuckles. Use your sponge knuckles to

Regan: Punch the gay away into your skin.

Chesko: Uh, real, uh, Makeup remover could be like, like a makeup eradicator.

Chesko: Yes, yes. Yes.

Regan: Why didn't they ask us? We could have helped them.

Chesko: They lost out. If I'm a man that really is, is trying to buy products called war [00:17:00] paint, if that's the thing that finally gets me to use makeup, I'm not going to go on there and be like, what? I don't want to buy moisturizer. I wanted war paint. I am just finally starting to learn the benefits of, uh, of like actually taking care of your skin.

Chesko: We're thinking about it now. I don't really think. I freaking love skincare.

Regan: Unfortunately. My skin actually does the best when I don't do anything to it. And it makes me, I like, I try new things. Every time I try something new, because it's like dry, um, it ends up breaking out. I'm like, damn it. I just want to have a skincare routine.

Regan: I can't. I can't.

Chesko: I got, I started getting, because I would go to like these like TikTok parties or whatever, and they'd have like the, the goodie bags that you would get.

Regan: Oh, you're fancy, huh?

Chesko: Yeah, my fancy, you know these fancy, uh, famous influencer parties? Oh! They would, um, give me things like war paint. Um.

Regan: That'd be awesome, actually. No,

Chesko: but they would give me like, like glow serum or whatever. And I would ask my wife, I was like, do you want these? She was like, I don't. What is this? She was like, I have my own stuff [00:18:00] that I don't, I don't want. Please!

Regan: Don't give me random shit!

Chesko: I start just randomly using them and for like the you know, they're the tiny little sample ones Yeah the week that it would last i'm like this is uh, I look amazing And so I like it so and every time they would run out and i'd look how much it costs I'm, i'm not gonna pay that much.

Regan: Hell no Yeah, it's expensive shit. It's very expensive, but it's It's like, I think men taking care of their bodies, their faces, every gender, but like, men seem to be adverse to it. Taking care of their hair, like, everybody should feel fresh and beautiful and glowy. It's this idea that men hate women so much and hate, like, femininity so much that they have to call makeup war paint to put it on.

Regan: It's, it's like, really? Like, you, cause it's like, I don't want to be associated. I mean, it's the same shit as like, have you seen, like, the, the manly strollers? Oh my God. Hold on. Hold on. Danny Gonzalez is a YouTuber that did, he did . [00:19:00] He got one and I tested it now.

Chesko: Alright, real quick, while you're looking at that though.

Chesko: But even like, um, you look at like the, like Trump very clearly is wearing full body makeup. Bronzer. He, yeah. Bronze. But there's, that is the tanning, all those kind of things. But it's different in those, it's different. It's exception.

Regan: That's manly man. Tan. Mm-Hmm. . Um, okay, so the brand. This is tactical baby gear.

Chesko: Why is everything military?

Regan: Oh! It's like, it's not, were you in the military or not? Like, so the bags are like, uh, camouflage. One of them has a,

Regan: wait, no, hold on, hold on, one of them has,

Regan: say you were to buy their tactical [00:20:00] diaper bag. That looks like an army bag. You could also buy the tactical unicorn patch, which is a unit. A unicorn that has a military helmet on, seemingly like an AK 47 military rifle, and a skull tattoo.

Chesko: Here's the thing, if this is what it takes for men to be a father to their children, sure.

Chesko: Listen big boy,

Regan: come here put a helmet on. I

Chesko: would not be surprised if it's actually like a woman that created this company that's like, Fuck. My husband won't fucking hold our child. He won't hold a diaper bag. Maybe if we said it's a man bag, it's a, uh, this is your, uh, Oh my god. You put grenades on the outside of the diaper bag and all of a sudden it'd be like, Yeah, I'm holding grenades.

Regan: Oh my god, I have to hold Okay, here's, here's the other patches you can put on your bag. You hurt her, [00:21:00] I hurt you.

Chesko: Threatening. Very threatening. Real quick, real quick. My favorite thing would be like this really insecure, tough guy that's looking at like, I need these tough things. And he's like, Oh yeah, I'm going to look at the patches section.

Regan: How do I make this thing even more masculine?

Chesko: There's no way to like, look at a, like to click on patches and think,

Regan: yeah, manly. Uh, you would be surprised. They love to bedazzle, they just don't want to call it dazzling.

Chesko: That's the point though, I think it's like, yeah, they're fun. People want to have fun and enjoy themselves, but you are so freaking scared of what other men will look at you as.

Chesko: So you don't do it. Like painting your nails. Let

Regan: me tell you about the patches.

Chesko: Okay. Mm-Hmm.

Regan: Let's I, God please don't let me accidentally buy this diaper bag. God guns and dappers. . Then they have in the font of OnlyFans only Dads[00:22:00]

Regan: What does that mean? Does that mean Because like if I saw that, I'd be like, oh, you have a channel.

Chesko: Are you advertising? I don't. It's

Regan: only fans. Meaning the fans are the viewers. So if you're a dad and you have only dads. Do you make content for dance?

Chesko: Can we talk about real quick the gods? Wait real quick, I want to come back to this.

Chesko: God, guns, and diapers. The word they replaced was country. So of those three that they had to replace, they're like, what's my most, what's the most important thing? Well, guns. God and guns, baby. God and guns, but I guess country can be like God diapers and country instead of replace guns with because they're not

Regan: getting rid of

Chesko: guns.

Chesko: They're not even good at being creative.

Regan: No, they really want to hold on to guns. That's what it is. Just

Chesko: go. But that's it would be like, that's that's what you're holding. I

Regan: can't believe you weren't more fixated on the only dad. I want to go to only dad,

Chesko: but my brain, my brain was stuck on that [00:23:00] person's like, why would you choose?

Chesko: Chesco This

Regan: patch is nine dollars. It has a hundred and eight reviews of five stars.

Chesko: Oh my, with the only dads?

Regan: Yes, there's a hundred and eight people that bought that. That is their most popular patch.

Chesko: What is the message they think they're giving with having that on there? I don't,

Regan: I, they're confused because that would mean they're dads who make dad content for dads.

Chesko: Yeah, yeah. Only for dads.

Regan: This is for the daddies.

Chesko: I mean, only daddy.

Regan: It's like, I think they're like, that's sexual. Put it on. I need people to know that I'm a dad, but I'm still sexual. And I have a gun

Chesko: to be clear, nothing weird with anybody owning their sexuality and having a, a, a, you know, a site, uh, like that, that's not what this is a, well, I think what's weird about [00:24:00] it is cause these are also the type of guys that would absolutely shame and hate on someone that did have an old pens.

Regan: Oh yeah. But their top viewer. Yeah.

Chesko: Yeah. But the owner, they, they're clearly spending a lot of money on that. Yeah. Yeah.

Regan: They also have, uh, in graffiti style, I guarantee you a white person would be the one to use this, but graffiti style, uh, font, Big Papa. Um, they have sleep is for the weak and say hello to my little friend with a baby who's wearing sunglasses and a big old water gun.

Regan: Everything's tactical on this site, which is bizarre because I'm like, for what? What are you doing with your baby?

Chesko: There were here. There's a. Free plug right here. I guess I I've made videos about wearing nail polish before, uh, and there's a, uh, uh, uh, uh, company called glossy boys. Um, and they make like, like these [00:25:00] pen, um, uh, nail polish things for that.

Chesko: Don't look like nail polish, like, uh, on it. So,

Regan: so you could have it

Chesko: so that boys that want to wear nail polish can put it on without having to do things that are. Literally like gendered for little girls to, um, to, to put on, or so they don't have to feel insecure about it. I love that. Yeah. So that way it's, it's an example of it where it's not, where it's saying it's okay for boys to like this.

Chesko: It's not necessarily saying this weird, like, and maybe it's the same goal of losing for men. I don't know, but it, that one feels more, um, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? I don't know. More positive. It feels like I think that's

Regan: more so people who. Want to express themselves. I'm not going to run into trouble from people who don't want to them to express themselves that way You know,

Chesko: yeah, they sent they sent me a thing.

Chesko: They're like, hey, we really love that. You're doing this Here's here's a can we send you some burr? Oh our nail paints [00:26:00] and I was our glossy boys and they work really well highly recommended if you have a boy But if parents are that want to wear Make it this is not sponsored. I guess technically they sent me a product So, I guess I don't know if that counts as a sponsor, but they didn't ask me to talk about this

Regan: I didn't get anything from it.

Chesko: Yeah. Yeah, Reagan didn't get anything from it Yeah, I liked it. They were like those little pen things. I use them sometimes when I don't pay my nails

Regan: I have something fun for you.

Chesko: All right

Regan: So apparently some men didn't like the idea of going to yoga So they made their own version of that You Would you like to guess what that is called?

Chesko: Broga? Is it?

Regan: Damn, you missed a, you missed a career in marketing for men.

Chesko: Yep.

Regan: Broga. Yep, so they took this ancient practice. [00:27:00]

Chesko: I can't believe that's it. I was like, there's no fucking way that's it.

Regan: Broga is yoga class geared toward bros. Broga is a type of yoga that incorporates core strengthening, muscle toning, cardio, stress reduction, and functional fitness. The goal. So Yoga . Yes. The goal of these programs a peace, peaceful stress-free environment to help bros feel more balanced and connected. So

Chesko: yoga, it's just so yoga.

Chesko: It's just yoga. It's just, that's all it is.

Regan: Get with the program, okay?

Chesko: Just get with it. Hold on, hold on. Can we talk about this for a second? I would, it's like, are there, there has to be a market for it, right? They wouldn't have it if there wasn't a market. But I'm just thinking, thinking of like, the guys that are like, sitting there at home like, Man, I'd love to do yoga.

Regan: God, I would really love

Chesko: to, to

Regan: center myself, even though there's like men all over yoga and like most of the yogis, a lot of the yogis, if not dominantly, are men, uh, [00:28:00] I have

Chesko: to spend time with women in an environment showing that I like something that they like, uh, I can't do that. Why can't this be for the

Regan: boys?

Chesko: Yeah, I only, there's, there is a, there is a, Uh, like a homoeroticism that comes up with so many of these things where it's like, I need to only do these really, uh, in a lot of ways, a lot more intimate things with other men, like I need to be in this situation. I

Regan: mean, so I, on F the nice guy podcast. I had, uh, Abby Jensen on.

Regan: She's host of the Rat Girls podcast. And she, she was talking to me, and she's like, Do you think, like, at some point, it's just gonna get so far into men thinking that everything with Associated women is gay, that they're just gonna start sleeping with each other? To not be gay? And I was like, you know what?

Regan: It might. Uh, so you, uh, the guy, oh my God, [00:29:00] who I hate. Nick Fuentes. So the guy, Nick Fuentes, who did that whole, like, we own your bodies and also lives in his mother's basement now. Quick

Chesko: aside, quick aside, before you get to your point, I have a friend named Nick Fuentes. Oh, that sucks.

Regan: He's

Chesko: like, he's like, it's just, it's not me.

Chesko: He's like, it's not me. So anyways, go ahead.

Regan: For the love of God.

Chesko: Nick's a good guy, for the record, for what it's worth. No,

Regan: your friend is a good guy. My friend. Yeah,

Chesko: not this Nick. Yeah, that Nick is a piece of shit.

Regan: All other Nick

Chesko: Fuentes are terrible.

Regan: Shout out to, uh, all the ladies that support their sons who do horrible fucking things to women and say horrible fucking things to women and then you let them live in your basement because they're your little baby boys.

Regan: Knock it off! Stop it! That's how it's facilitated, I promise you. When bad men do stuff, who do they turn to? Well, women, but usually their mothers. Anyways, that's just a personal note. I don't want to fight his mother, but I won't. Okay, I don't know if I can say that. Take that back. [00:30:00] Um, anyways, Nick Fuentes, who is an incel, has, even though he kissed a girl in high school, and there's rumors he might not like women, which we know he doesn't like them, but he might not like them that way, literally said something to the effect of like, cuddling, cuddling and trying to kiss your girlfriend and snuggling is so gay.

Regan: Oh my god.

Chesko: Ew, gross.

Regan: Ew, intimacy with women, yucky. And people listen to him, I'm like, Honey, there's nothing gay about, like, A straight man and a straight woman cuddling and kissing. Like, he's like, Ew, gross. Like, that's so, ugh.

Chesko: What, really what it comes down to is like, It is genuinely sad though, for, For it.

Chesko: The guys, these guys that are actually gay men that are just so because of these, these, these structural [00:31:00] forces in their life, whether it's their dad or, you know, figures in their life, could be their mom could be, you know, church, whatever it is that is enforcing that this is bad. And this is, they can't feel it that they end up digging in so hard to this.

Chesko: I hate everything feminine for, for making me and like, I don't know. It's so weird.

Regan: This is my opinion. Okay. And I have this opinion of any, any like privileged group or party, right? It's like, absolutely. It sucks to not be able to be out and not be able to be who you are because of people with prejudice, right?

Regan: I mean, I, as a gay woman, like I totally empathize with that, but here's what the difference is. There are a lot of men who are probably queer in some way, who, because they have this like internalized hate for themselves, and they're, they're, you know, growing in [00:32:00] misogyny, rather than admit who they are, They take that hate out on women and that's fucked up.

Regan: That's absolutely it's not just if it was just like, cause I, I know plenty of, well, not now, but men who were closeted and who lived under that and hid who they were. And. Never took it out on women. What they do is they take this hate and they're like, Ooh, I know what'll really prove to them. I'm not gay.

Regan: I'll just hate on women. I'll, you know, devalue them. I'll disrespect them. I'll talk down to them. I'll humiliate them. And then I'll prove I'm not gay. So it's like in order to shield myself, I'm going to destroy women. And that is what we see so often, like they double down on misogyny, and it's, it's horrifying to watch because like, The effect is, I mean, like you look at Nick Fuentes, like he may be queer.

Regan: He may be a queer person, but like his hate of women, [00:33:00] which now he's teaching to other men. You have this guy who's basically just a mediocre man, a mediocre, you know, man in his twenties who now has visited with Trump has literally sat and had dinner. Like. Was invited to have dinner with Trump because why because of his hate of women Because he can't accept himself Supposedly allegedly I don't know but it's horrifying.

Regan: It's horrifying that men do that. They're like, well, I'll just sacrifice you I'll just brew hate against you.

Chesko: And to be fair, when I say it's sad, it doesn't mean it's excuses. The, I don't think you mean that, but

Regan: I think it is important to acknowledge because there is no point where that has to turn into that.

Regan: Like, like if you are a victim of the patriarchy, there's, You don't have to then continue that victimization. You know, you don't have to become the villain. You know, you don't have to harm people in the way that you're being harmed. That's unacceptable. I mean, it's the same thing with [00:34:00] racism. Like when white people feel they don't have power, um, they'll, they'll double down, they'll double down on racism and sex.

Regan: It's awful.

Chesko: Yeah. I've talked about before. a while back on videos. I, what, at what point, and this is not me asking the question, because I don't think there is a tangible exact point for this. It's going to be different for everybody. Does it shift from this is how I was raised to actively choosing to make the world a worse place, right?

Chesko: Uh, like, like to act to no longer being a victim of that, of your circumstances and now becoming the perpetrator of violence, Towards your community. Like if, if you're a 16 year old boy repeating the things that his dad says at home, then the, you are, you're still young enough where you were, you're, it's not okay, but you are a 100 percent still a victim of, you know, cause you don't know any better, you've never been exposed to anything else you're in your home with that person at what state, at what part do we, do we accept that it's no longer, um, just.[00:35:00]

Regan: I mean, I think the second you know better and don't do better, uh, the second you witness the harm that you're doing. And if I'm being perfectly honest with you, like in this age, when there's so much social media now, I'm sure someone could be siloed, you know, where they're not seeing other people and that's all there.

Regan: Algorithmically sheltered. Yes. Like they're just seeing the same shit and they're not, they're not being introduced to gay people, trans people. Right. Um, but the idea that they would never see the side of it, never see the harm that comes of it. I mean, I think pretty much as soon as you know, people are being harmed by this, like, I think you're culpable for that.

Chesko: Yeah.

Regan: I mean, I, I mean, even in teenage years, You know you're doing harm. My daughter's four. If I showed her someone who is being racist, if I showed her someone being homophobic, she could tell you why that was bad. She could say that, that's not [00:36:00] nice. That's mean. Like, I don't believe people don't like, there may be some people who are siloed off.

Regan: There may be some people who aren't exposed to other things, but like, we know when someone's being cruel, we know when someone's being unkind and you have to at some point. Except like, okay, like even if my parents raised me this way, I can see the harm that's happening. I can see how cruelly they're talking to people.

Regan: And we're not, I'm not talking about like, you know, deep seated, internalized racism that like, you really have to unpack. I mean, like there are people who actively are saying horrific things, um, and are perpetuating violence and, uh, very serious ways. And they do know better. I don't believe there's so many people like, Oh, well, you know, that's just their beliefs.

Regan: I'm like, no, not when you're doing active harm to people.

Chesko: Well, I think, I think about like with religion specifically, I think about like, like, you know, I was up to 16 still wanted to be a priest at that point. [00:37:00] Um, and I know which is, which is wild to think about, but like, And, and you're right though, I did see the act of harm that was before that I was younger than that before when I started, you know, when I, I remember I showed this story online before that definitely really hit me later on when I realized when I had this memory of it.

Chesko: Um, but like my mother's best friend was gay, uh, growing up, he was like my, my male role model. And I remember leaving his house one time and this is like, I was, I was like eight years old. This is before I realized, you know, you know, I was too, I was at that point still, you know, and I was like, it's sad that he's going to hell.

Chesko: Uh, and I was like, and like, and obviously my mom corrected, like, she was, you know, didn't let that slide and everything. We didn't really get into all the, the followups to that. But in my mind I was like, and I was still, I was like, yeah, that's this person that loves me. This person that plays games with me, this person that takes me for ice cream is still.

Chesko: Because everything in my foundation around my life was telling me that that is okay to believe that certain people go to hell. There's still a [00:38:00] monster basically that they deserve it. Right. And then, so, and so at a certain point you do have to accept that you're breaking. So I saw that that was wrong, but I was able to reconcile it because this entire foundational framework of everything I've been taught in Catholic school and church was still telling me that it's okay to think those people are bad, right.

Chesko: And that. You do have to be able to break free from that at a certain point though, or else you'll keep, yeah.

Regan: Well, I remember in high school, um, I lived in a very like, not like a more upper class, very white area. And I had a friend who lived. I think she was more towards the city. Anyways, uh, and she, I don't remember what, we were like doing some stupid dance something.

Regan: I don't remember what we were doing, but we went to like a party city. You know, do you have party cities by you? Yeah. Okay, okay. Um, and we were getting like supplies for that. [00:39:00] And so she came into the store with me and, I remember like this store attendant was following us and like, like really closely.

Regan: And I was like, what is, what, like, what is this person's problem? Like, like, why are they following? Like it didn't even click what was going on at first, because then I just turned to her. She was like a middle aged white woman, shocker, shocker. Um, and I was like. I like asked for something that I didn't actually, or asked where something was.

Regan: And then she was like, Oh, it's there. And then she left us alone. And after I was like, that was crazy. Why was she following us? Like, and my friend was like, Oh yeah, that, that happens all the time. That happens to me all the time. That's very normal. And I was like, what the fuck is that? Like, that is so fucked up.

Regan: And I, I had never been followed in a story before. And I was just like. Damn, like that, like, I mean, this is a white person [00:40:00] talking about this experience, like people of color, this is not a shock to them, but I just, it was just so weird, like the feeling of this lady, like following us, I was like, Like, what do you want?

Regan: Like, and how often that happens. And like, I feel like that's around the age that you're, you start to see the world, like you are having experiences outside of your parents. Um, and my parents weren't racist for the record. My parents are not racist, but like, I hadn't seen how racist my environment was.

Chesko: And I think that's the, that's the key though, is like, that's, that's why I said like teenagers is like, it's hard to, it's because, or why I think a lot of times that people that espouse this hate are against people going to college, right? They don't want you going there because it's much harder to demonize someone when it's your roommate.

Chesko: A hundred percent. When your groupmate is just this kind, loving person, you're like, whoa, whoa. But I was told that Muslims are evil. Right, right. I was told that. Black people are, are this. I was told that gay people are X. I was told that women, [00:41:00] I'm not, I guess women, you're going to be exposed to women. Uh, and, but all these different groups that if you lived in a very, you know, maybe a rural area or an area was not, with not a lot of diversity, you're able to buy into, All of the rhetoric, the negative rhetoric in that bubble.

Chesko: And when you go off to somewhere with more diversity, it's much harder to continue to think that way. It's like, it's not your, like, you know, as a college professor, I don't have time to espouse my beliefs onto my students. They have no idea what politics are, uh, when I talk about things, but it's not the professors that are making them radical.

Chesko: It's their friendships, uh, simply meeting people. Yeah. Radical being, you get radicalized by. Empathy, but by navigating the world with empathy and an open heart. Um, and that's a very radical thing to do. And I think, and you're right, I think that's the point when you're exposed to good people that contradict these things you might've been taught.

Chesko: Yes. A hundred percent. They'll continue doing those things that, that is the, and [00:42:00] what, there's no age for that. That's just kind of a moment that can happen for some people or for most people.

Regan: It's interesting when you say the woman thing, because like, as much as Men, like, are, you know, at the heads of, of patriarchy and are the ones in charge, like women facilitate it so much, especially white women.

Regan: Um, if you want to do, especially, especially like in the church, cause like they, you know, they will be just as bad and said like, well, this is what a woman does and like being the example of how women should behave and like how roles should be in like. Not, you know, if you report that something's happened to you, there'll be the first one to be like, shh, we don't talk about that.

Regan: They shame other women for being like sexual, you know, like they're, they also facilitate that. So it's like, even if you grew up around other women, if they're women, this is an example. If they're women that haven't unpacked their internalized misogyny [00:43:00] and are also very much invested into the patriarchy and they're standing within whatever it could be a church or whatever structure.

Regan: They can be just as bad. So you, you could be a round woman and still never actually get a breath of like feminism and not, not ever see a viewpoint outside of the patriarchy. Which is crazy to think about. It's really crazy.

Chesko: Honestly, that's one of the underlying, aside from the monetary aspect of making a woman dependent on you and your marriage, the idea of keeping her home and out of work is also because it's harder for her to be exposed to other people that think differently if you are able to.

Chesko: And essentially, Metaphorically and figure like realistic cage her, uh, in the home and just doing, uh, allowing her to interact with people at the church and other people that have the exact same views, you're able to continue that, that facade, even when it feels wrong, if you're not seeing it. And literally anybody that is [00:44:00] contradicting that, um, there was, there was a video responded to this.

Chesko: One guy said he won't allow his, uh, future wife to have a cell phone

Regan: because

Chesko: the internet is the gateway to feminism. Uh, and, but it's, but it's getting at the point of like, if you want, if you were able to see someone that has a better existence than you. And you realize, oh, well, there's a better life than what I have right now.

Chesko: I don't have to just be property. Then of course that's feminism in a sense of that's just human nature though, to want better for yourself.

Regan: You should always be wary of groups that are trying to limit your access to the outside world, because if someone's really founded in their beliefs. and their beliefs don't rely on their inability to see other people and interact with other people, then you could go anywhere and still have the same beliefs.

Regan: Like the way, the way I feel about people and like human rights is like, I could go anywhere and I would [00:45:00] still feel the same way, you know? But if, if your group wants to limit access to, It seems like a lot of times to the people that they have the harshest views about,

Chesko: right?

Regan: Um, then that's something to think about because like why, why would they want to limit access other than control?

Regan: Cause I don't have a reason other than that. And I think a lot of people, yeah, they do have limited access to the outside world or at least outside perspectives. And, um, I think at some point I would say probably in your teenage years, unless, unless you're like literally, you know, somewhere where you're not, you don't have access to people.

Regan: Um, That's the moment where you make a choice. And I, I, I think it is an active choice. If you decide to double down on misogyny, racism, whatever, uh, I think you are choosing to do that because it's easier. I think you're choosing to do that because it's safer. And, you know, I think it gives people a sense of power who don't have [00:46:00] that.

Regan: We talked about that last episode, I feel like, but it's, you know, It's an active choice and you can choose not to be that way too. At any point, you can choose to make changes that are positive. And I get frustrated. Um, particularly as a gay woman, uh, when people are just like, well, that's the way I was brought up and that's the way it is.

Regan: And that's how I see gay people or whatever, what, whoever, whatever group they're hating on. Um, Because I'm like, yeah, but you can choose to be different and you choose not to. You're not choosing to grow or learn. You're not doing any work. Even you could validate your own beliefs. I mean, you and I do research all the time that validates how we feel.

Regan: Um, and maybe it would, but they won't even look.

Chesko: You can be devoutly Christian and not be hateful. I know some of them, the most beautiful, loving, wonderful people I know are go to church every Sunday and [00:47:00] live very, very much. They, they have the strongest belief systems I've ever had. They, it's just, they are willing to accept, I think, certain aspects of the world that is.

Chesko: Anybody that's willing to see it can see that there's parts of the Bible that we choose to ignore. 100%!

Regan: It's literally like a pick and choose. You're like, I'll take a scoop of this and a scoop of that and ignore this section.

Chesko: Unless you are going to follow every single word, which is impossible because there are literal contradictions.

Chesko: Yes, there are. That's why

Regan: literalists Yeah.

Chesko: Right. And that's why I was like, please don't take this as an insult on religion when I'm saying this. It's just what it is. That's there. It was written by men and put together by men, you know, and, and if you want to believe that it was inspired by, uh, by God, that's, that's fine.

Chesko: That's your prerogative. But the fact is the actual text that we have now is a highly edited version of whatever. I

Regan: mean, it was translated. It was translated multiple times.

Chesko: So there's definitely, yeah. Across and it was remembered and told verbal. A lot of the stories were told verbally over centuries, you know, to people that's going to change and be by [00:48:00] the, the, the, the imperfection of humanity.

Chesko: If you believe it's real, if you believe it's divine, it's still going to be tainted by the fact that it was told by the people who had power at that point. And if you can accept that, that, Oh, that must mean that not everything in here. It should be taken at face value. You can still believe and still love everybody and still have a very happy life.

Chesko: And if I was still a religious person, that's kind of the, the religion I would have. Cause it's kind of what I started having and the church, I didn't like that at least the people. And that's kind of what started pushing me away. I was like, well, I don't, I don't have to believe that. No, no, you do. No, you do a hundred percent.

Chesko: No, I don't, I don't believe that, you know, women should be this. I don't believe gay people. I don't believe that.

Regan: Well, You gotta go.

Chesko: You have. Yeah. And that's, you know, so, but that doesn't have to be that way. And I know there are churches that don't feel that way. Different sects of religions, et cetera, that don't feel that way.

Chesko: I mean,

Regan: you can even find Catholic churches that are not homophobic. Well, absolutely. At the end, at the end of the day, to me, like, like religion aside, [00:49:00] Because that's a whole nother topic. Um, but I, I don't understand how someone can be so hateful and feel aligned with God. I don't understand how someone can see people in pain and, and people dying and, and people, you know, kicked out of their homes and, and struggling and, and, you know, a lot of times that don't believe what they're seeing.

Regan: These people believe, like literally don't believe any of that's true. Like, and yet these people will, you know, condemn them and make their lives miserable based off a religion. They don't practice. Like I, I, when I see like videos of people screaming and gay people's faces, I've never had somebody, um, do.

Regan: I have, I have dealt with people who don't like gay people, um, homophobic people. I have had some intense conversations. We'll call it that. But I ha I haven't had people scream at me like that. I think being a [00:50:00] white femme presenting like lesbian, like they don't usually come for me as, as badly as they come for, you know, maybe someone who looks more queer.

Regan: But yeah, I mean, I've seen it. I've seen people screaming in people's faces and, and getting violent. And, you know, I can't imagine in a family saying that to your child, like I just don't understand how they can be filled with so much hate, visible, like it's, it's so, um, it like permeates them. It's just like this visceral hate and feel.

Regan: that that's godly and feel that that's in alignment with Christ. Like, I, I don't understand that. Um, and I think it's shocking to me that they don't feel the dissonance there, I guess.

Chesko: I remember a story, this one, I was in like sixth grade or fifth grade, somewhere in there, uh, that I got in trouble with. I was getting in trouble a lot of back then.

Chesko: I was thinking too hard, I guess. [00:51:00] But I remember saying in class about, because we were talking about how Christianity is the one religion, Catholicism, blah, blah, blah, and blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, anyways, but I, I brought up, I was like, wouldn't it make more sense? Cause we were talking about like, what if people that didn't have exposure to it and they were explaining, I've had that one too.

Chesko: Yep. And I was like, well, what, wouldn't it make more sense that like, if there's one God that It was like his, his love and his teaching will come down in like a prism and like all these different religions are different aspects of, of, they could, we could still believe we believe and still believe. And he was like, absolutely not.

Chesko: It was, I remember it and like, genuinely, and I'm like this little boy that genuinely loves my religion at that point and trying to think, well, isn't that a way that other people could not be condemned to hell for having belief systems that are different than ours. And they were like, And this was a very, I remember this priest, I'm not going to say his name.

Chesko: Um, but he was a very, just one of those old school, like harsh guys. And he was like, [00:52:00] absolutely. I, he didn't say those words, but the intent was you blaspheme. Like you, like, why, how? We're going to fucking say this in my classroom and I remember getting in a lie and I was like, I am never bringing that up again.

Chesko: I did not know that would go that way. Well, yeah. I'm sorry for saying other people could be loved and not going to hell. It's yeah.

Regan: It's, it's wild to me that people cannot see. I mean, I used to be a lot more lenient with, um, people who had homophobic beliefs that were related to. Um, because I have family members that genuinely super fun to find out that these family members I've known my whole life who would talk to me and talk about my wife and comment on pictures of me and my daughter.

Regan: Um, we're having secret meetings with other family members to try and get me and my other gay people. Cousins like exiled. Um, it's great times. But anyway, it's gotta

Chesko: be fun.

Regan: Hey, oh, I'm not [00:53:00] you won't catch me at that thanksgiving unless they want to have a verbal sparring match, right? Um, but like it's baffling to me where why they were like, oh, we can be friends and I'm like you right now if they're homophobic, okay, you think I deserve To burn eternally for the rest of forever in the fiery pits of hell, the worst punishment imaginable.

Regan: You right now believe that's what I deserve forever and you think I should be your friend and I shouldn't have a problem with that.

Chesko: What, what's the issue? But isn't that insane? In any

Regan: other

Chesko: context, if somebody, They want you to do, I saw a video that specifically laid out what they, what they want. And it was two men.

Chesko: And I thought it was a parody video at first. And it made me so sad when I realized it wasn't, I'll send it to you. But it's, it's one of them is an openly gay man in the church. saying he [00:54:00] is choosing to remain celibate for the rest of his life and be married to God because he knows that if he would act on his feelings that it would be against an affront to God.

Chesko: Uh, and so he's saying, I am going to remain alone for the rest of my life and In order to appease God and the other guy next to him was like, Yes, that is what you do. That is exactly it. And I genuinely believe that for it was I'm watching this video. I'm like, Oh, this is this is funny. Like to these two gay men having a sketch about like how absurd this idea would be.

Chesko: And then there was no punchline. And I was like, Oh, Just what? That's what they want. They want you to if you know you are gay, then you are not allowed to have a relationship you if you truly let not. And once again, not all religious people, right? But but many of people that are especially in the more uh, Stricter interpretations of it.

Chesko: That's exactly what they want. They want you to be alone and miserable and miserable, uh, if you [00:55:00] truly believed in what they believe

Regan: or get a lot of trauma, because guess what? If you're gay and you're having to be with men, it's trauma. Take it from somebody who knows. Um, but it's just wild to me because I feel like in any other context, if like, If I like came up to you and was like, um, I think you should fucking burn.

Regan: I think you should burn forever. I think you are a sinner and you're disgusting and you choose this and I hope nothing but the worst for you for eternity.

Chesko: You have green eyes. Ooh.

Regan: Yeah. I

Chesko: I just want you to know, I believe because of the color of your eyes, you're gonna go to hell. So do you want to grab lunch?

Regan: If anybody else said that, you'd be like, fuck you. Like, what? Like, fuck off. Like, no, I don't want to be your friend. You just show me you hope I suffer forever and am tortured. Because I exist. Like, but gay people are kind of expected to be around people like that, even if they don't believe it [00:56:00] themselves.

Regan: Like, for the longest time, like, you're just supposed to be like, oh, okay. And hope you don't get in a conversation and share meals with people that want you to suffer for eternity and, and for existing. Meanwhile, you're not allowed to question That they choose to believe that because again, not everybody who practices that religion chooses that route or even thinks those things.

Regan: Like it is a choice. And also you choose what church you go to. You choose what you believe from the Bible because yes, people pick and choose. And like, I'm at the point. Yeah. Um, especially with this last election, uh, where it's just like, no, no, no. I don't, I don't have to let you talk to me that way. Like, I don't, Have to be nice to you when that's what you want for me and think I deserve like sorry Any group that's in power that's trying to take rights of other people it's crazy how often the people whose rights they are trying to actively take and That they want to hate on and treat poorly and Negatively affect their lives on a mass scale [00:57:00] that they're supposed to just be nice to them And I feel like we're at the point where people are not

Chesko: doing

Regan: that anymore.

Chesko: And speaking of things coming from the heavens and causing harm, this was our show about rain and not putting on your windshield wipers. Oh!

Regan: How did we get here? How did we get here? Well, yeah.

Chesko: Yeah, you know how

Regan: we got here, but

Chesko: it's all it's all connected to the patriarchy.

Regan: I mean, it is. It really is. It

Chesko: really is.

Chesko: That's why

Regan: people hate gay people. So exciting news on our side is we are planning an event in the L. A. area are on the 18th or 19th.

Chesko: Yes, of January

Regan: of January of any month

Chesko: of a month

Regan: of a month. We'll figure it out. No of January. We're going to do like a live event. We don't have the details yet. But be on the lookout.

Regan: We'll fill you in as soon as we have have more information, [00:58:00] but we're very excited We

Chesko: are and we're hoping that at least two people show

Regan: Some of you please come see us Yeah, we'll do a

Chesko: live show we'll do some other fun we'll try to make it like an actual show kind of show show show Oh, yeah, we show

Regan: show got it

Chesko: Like something we'll have fun with it.

Chesko: And, uh, but if we want, if you're interested in something like that, let us know. And so that we can know if we should keep on going forward with it.

Regan: Yeah. Let us know if you're interested. Cause if you're not, then we won't do it.

Chesko: We won't do it. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'll make some polls on Instagram and stuff to see if there are people that actually want to go, but we think it would be really fun.

Chesko: Bringing an event. I've never actually met in real life too. So it'll be actually kind of fun to meet each other. Um,

Regan: I am so sure I'm going to be thrown off by how. Like I genuinely am going to be like, taking it back.

Chesko: Who is this monster?

Regan: Like I

Chesko: [00:59:00] said, I'm a big guy too. It's not like I'm just like, you know, there's certain people that are tall and they're like, still kind of like

Regan: green beanie.

Chesko: Yeah. Yeah. I am. I am a monster. It's hard. It's hard to frame it with me on camera, but be prepared.

Regan: I'm like the most average size. Like my height is the actual average. So, um, but yeah, it goes for

Chesko: everybody that comes to the show as well. Be prepared. You're going to see this behemoth of a man on stage next to this teeny tiny woman.

Regan: Can you imagine if we don't meet until we're on stage and I'm like, Oh my god!

Chesko: We lose half our following. I just

Regan: mace you immediately. I

Chesko: was like, God, what just happened? It's Chesco, it's Chesco! Sorry, it was reflex, it was reflex.

Regan: I'm not around big men very often, sorry. That's actually true, but I don't know.

Regan: I don't think it's on purpose. I don't, I don't know that many tall men. Maybe it's a survival strategy, like just [01:00:00] really deep down in there. Um, anywho.

Chesko: Oh, and everyone, this, this is going to come out, uh, I believe Thanksgiving week. Is it next week? Isn't it? Oh, yeah. So happy. Enjoy your, enjoy your, uh, your family gatherings if you have them and, you know, have, hopefully you don't have one where you're yelling at the T at the table across from people that you hate.

Regan: And you know what? Enjoy your boundaries. If you have those two, if you chose not to be around people that,

Chesko: you

Regan: know, don't align with your values or treat you poorly, like hell yeah, to that as well. And enjoy. You're either with your family, Friendsgiving, chosen family, you're not at home

Chesko: with a beer or a glass of wine, that's also beautiful, that's fine too, your inner peace, your peace is more important,

Regan: but we, we're, you know, if we had a Friendsgiving, we would invite you, but we hope you enjoy whatever, however you celebrate and we will see you next week,

Chesko: on the other hand, bye,

Regan: bye,

Chesko: love you,

Regan: bye, bye.