00:00:01.00 alexei sayle Okay, welcome to episode 59 of the Now at the Moment Weekly Alexei's El Podcast, which she just features me. And Talal seems to be, seems to be partly about politics, partly about movies.

00:00:17.48 alexei sayle And I think we'll decide on what movie we're all going to collectively watch today. I don't think we've, there's some, there's been some suggestions.

00:00:23.10 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, we'll decide today, oh shit.

00:00:25.43 alexei sayle what we

00:00:26.05 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, there has been, yeah.

00:00:26.77 alexei sayle I mean, there's obviously, we've all seen probably the movie, you know, we could talk about some movies or thought there was an idea that we collectively watch a movie or I don't know.

00:00:34.86 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, that was the idea, yeah.

00:00:36.25 alexei sayle Yeah. In an informal sort of way.

00:00:39.81 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But then we'll talk, go on.

00:00:40.01 alexei sayle I had a couple of things. Now I was just saying a couple, I was just going to say a couple of things I remember, forgot to mention last week.

00:00:41.86 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No, we'll talk after you, after you, no, please.

00:00:49.57 alexei sayle I thought about, the US elections, one of the those one of the things that was ironic, of course, was that kamlaha Kamala Harris had the help of over 100 Labour apparatchiks, didn't she, from the British Labour Party?

00:01:10.04 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal oh

00:01:10.31 alexei sayle And including that little shitbag, Jonathan Ashworth. And well, i sort we could talk about, I mean, I suppose, I don't know. But I mean, i just one of the things that struck me I was thinking about was just how, and this seems to be following the Hillary Clinton playbook and other people have mentioned it, was that, uh, used to celebrities really, which I think, you know, Bruce Springsteen and Taylor Swift and that Beyonce and the Baha, I mean, just, I think it just must annoy people.

00:01:31.47 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, Beyonce.

00:01:42.95 alexei sayle I sort of think you used to tell me to fucking vote you wealthy, bloody,

00:01:48.94 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:01:49.30 alexei sayle Person, you know, I think that that I mean it clicked as clearly Clinton had all that um All that crap Yeah, or just you know, yeah Well, I don't know.

00:01:57.30 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, I want like a union member up there telling me how to vote, not some fucking billionaire.

00:02:03.96 alexei sayle It's it's just it's in it seems wrong. I think you know, it was clearly was part of a losing strategy just another thing that I thought was that I So there's a lot of, you know, in the kind of fixing the reasons for why the Democrats failed that you've seen a lot of. I've seen, seem to have seen a lot of kind of centrist commentary saying that, well, you know, incumbents everywhere have lost um you know Schultz in Germany and Macron and even though Macron would bloody go even though the left had won a majority but you know incumbents Biden you know that but what they were one of those those articles

00:02:48.56 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Incumbents means like the person who is currently leader to the leader.

00:02:50.49 alexei sayle person who is in power. Yeah. So, they're just saying because, you know, electrics are turned on the people who are in power. One example that they consistently fail to mention is ah Mexico where the government of AMLO,

00:03:06.21 alexei sayle Luis Obrador, a good friend of Jeremy Corbyn, left power, and you know handed over to his left-wing deputy or left-wing president now, Anna Scheinbaum, I think she's called, she's got an 80% approval rating. So you've had a left-wing government, an incumbent left-wing government in Mexico which succeeded by an even more popular left-wing government.

00:03:29.47 alexei sayle And the reason for that is clearly, you know,

00:03:34.55 alexei sayle you know egalitarian policies, yeah attempt to redistribute wealth, um you know attempt to to to to to um to fight corruption. and you know general ah kind of a genuinely populist in in the real sense the word approach to the people genuine democracy to attempt to reform the kind of reactionary judicial system I think I mean I don't know a huge amount about Mexican policies we've seen a government with explicitly left-wing policies

00:04:09.63 alexei sayle um succeeded by another government explicitly left-wing policies.

00:04:12.26 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hmm.

00:04:12.74 alexei sayle Now of course these polytimebies of this world failed to mention that because it doesn't fit in with their despicable philosophy of kind of the only way you can win is centrism really.

00:04:24.59 alexei sayle So I just wanted to mention that.

00:04:25.89 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah. Or, or the centrists would rather have the far right wing than the anyone on the left.

00:04:30.87 alexei sayle Yeah they would do rather have and that's that's probably what we you know if we don't

00:04:34.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal What's the latest in Venezuela? Are you up to date with that?

00:04:37.16 alexei sayle No, I mean, I think I don't know enough about Venezuela.

00:04:37.26 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I'm not.

00:04:39.96 alexei sayle I don't know whether...

00:04:41.60 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Who are the people currently in charge?

00:04:43.20 alexei sayle Oh, I see. Well, Maduro took over from Chavez.

00:04:48.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And was that the goody or the bady?

00:04:49.94 alexei sayle Well, that they I don't know. I think he'd have to... I mean, so a lot of Maduro and and Chavez before him were painted as left-wing bodies, really.

00:05:00.28 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Uh-huh.

00:05:00.98 alexei sayle i I mean, certainly the United States with the cooperation of Britain tried to stage a sort of coup a few years ago where they plucked this nobody from the legislature and tried to pretend that he was the president.

00:05:08.37 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:05:15.38 alexei sayle I don't know that the legacy media here suggests that, um ah data you know, that the result was fixed at the Venezuelan

00:05:24.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hmm And let's not forget the ah the Brazilians ah voted the lefty in Yeah, he seems a nice guy

00:05:25.93 alexei sayle elections. I doubt that they were but I'm not, I wouldn't. um ah um ah but I must say I've always, Chavez used to do it and I think Maduro does it. Somebody who gives like speeches that go on for three hours. I'm always suspicious of really, you know what I mean? I felt that about Fidel. Well, the Velvio Brazilians also, yeah, you got Lula in Brazil. um Again, I mean, they're really, yeah, and they, you know, lead an economy and as a southern America. And that is as a country that's gone left wing. So it's not, I mean, there he took over from Bolsonaro, I don't know.

00:06:06.67 alexei sayle you know, hopefully that that they lu laz um lu ah Lula's will continue. um But ah yeah, I just wanted to mention that about Mexico anyway.

00:06:20.03 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Mm hmm.

00:06:20.48 alexei sayle Maduro, I think, I don't know, I'm not sure about Maduro or Chavez before them really. yeah Well, I'd like to, I mean, that the listeners, somebody will probably be an expert on um Venezuela.

00:06:31.45 alexei sayle It's certainly not as the kind of the mainstream media presents it. I think there is, I remember seeing an ache, when that, I can't remember his name now, Corido, I think he was called, tried to kind of take a coup. They had an academic on sort of lists of people who were only getting on the television once and in the afternoon on News 24 and they they're pushing this line that this guy was the legitimate president.

00:06:56.85 alexei sayle you know, and the guy and this academic from Sheffield, someone just said, he said, no, that, you know, the army is very strong. The idea of La Patria of the country is very strong that the, you know, whatever the internal problems are of Venezuela, that the army and the people will stand with stand with Maduro, really. And this, you know, that was that guy was very quietly dropped. But I think it is. I mean, again, and and you know, why whatever The state of Venezuela is why there are sanctions.

00:07:30.79 alexei sayle ah U.S. sanctions against it is absurd, you know, when we, you know, when we don't sanction like Saudi.

00:07:35.79 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh yeah, well who they choose to sanction is is a joke.

00:07:38.09 alexei sayle Yeah, I mean, you know, it's a country where, yeah, but, you know, it's a country where women are, you know, where women are allowed to drive and so on.

00:07:41.61 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's all about the money, baby.

00:07:50.24 alexei sayle You know, it's not like Saudi Arabia, why not sanction them?

00:07:53.09 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal No, women can drive in Saudi now, didn't you know that?

00:07:54.79 alexei sayle Oh, yeah, sure. i think but the The woman who campaigned for that is still is languishing in prison for like the fifth year in a row.

00:08:01.45 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Fucking hell. but

00:08:03.92 alexei sayle Anyway, but if if if any of our listeners know, you know, no more, more than me about Venezuela, I would be glad to hear from them.

00:08:07.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, give us some insight.

00:08:12.53 alexei sayle All right, so that

00:08:12.61 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um I forgot to ask you last week about if you'd ever met Tom Cruise or had any sort of interaction or experience with him. Have you?

00:08:23.21 alexei sayle No, not really.

00:08:24.96 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Aw.

00:08:25.98 alexei sayle No, I'm trying to think. and I don't think I've ever really even been in the same rooms.

00:08:31.42 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Aw, man.

00:08:33.35 alexei sayle I do know.

00:08:37.43 alexei sayle my um I think i actually said i have a friend dore i have a friend and something I can say I a friend very chatty.

00:08:42.93 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You're trying to decide if you can say this or not.

00:08:49.09 alexei sayle and developed an obsession with a footballer, his brother was managing or something. And I said that if this, if my friend shut up about this footballer, I would be Godfather to his son, Ned.

00:09:06.40 alexei sayle And so I was Godfather to his son.

00:09:07.21 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah

00:09:08.96 alexei sayle i never I've never done anything for Ned since really. but My friend did shut up about this football. Anyway, um ah my friend, but Ned, my friend's son who is now grown up, is is ah about is about to be married to Haley Atwell, who is co-star of the Mission Impossible, six and seven movies.

00:09:37.91 alexei sayle I'm trying to say he should invite his dear old god dad through the wedding.

00:09:42.91 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal to the wedding say you can come to the wedding only if you let my dad talk about that footballer again and now east you're the godfather you should get an invite

00:09:43.96 alexei sayle I think he'd tell me to go fuck myself really. So I've been very remiss. ah But, um, so, uh, yeah,

00:10:02.39 alexei sayle I'm Ned's godfather. So, um, well, I'm hoping to get,

00:10:04.75 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And so you're hoping old Tommy C will be there.

00:10:07.79 alexei sayle Well, I'm sure Tommy, she will. She's, I mean, um, yeah. Uh, yes.

00:10:16.78 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Those Mission Impossible films are are decent, except the last one, I was surprised to see that it wasn't. Did you see the latest one, the reckoning one?

00:10:25.31 alexei sayle I haven't seen the latest one there.

00:10:27.71 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Cause like the baddie is AI. So it's kind of loses its,

00:10:31.58 alexei sayle Right.

00:10:32.66 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal you always like to have a a baddie who's a person who you can punch in the face, you know, but he's like, fighting a concept.

00:10:34.47 alexei sayle Real body. Yeah. Yeah.

00:10:39.76 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And it's it's it's it kind of makes me lose any care about what's going on in the film.

00:10:46.84 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:10:49.24 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um I was

00:10:52.04 alexei sayle I think it had, I think anyway, heady out. Well, there's in that one and maybe the next one as well. like

00:10:57.92 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal The trailer for the last one looks decent. Hayley Attwell, I wanna look at her. I remember what she looks like. Oh, yeah.

00:11:12.47 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal She's like 20 years younger than Tom, but she's like the love interest, isn't she? I can't remember. Let's not speculate. um So at the end of the last episode, we left on a major cliffhanger, Alexei.

00:11:26.26 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, it was huge. ah You started going on about Liverpool um and how it had been, you saying stuff about Liverpool that i'm not I'm not familiar with at all.

00:11:38.36 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So I thought maybe you could enlighten me in the audience about ah what happened there. You said everything got demolished. the They kind of got rid of old Liverpool.

00:11:45.07 alexei sayle Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah.

00:11:49.02 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Is that like the Liverpool you grew up in is not really what it looks like anymore?

00:11:49.34 alexei sayle There's a there's a. Yeah. No, so i'm somebody's been email emailing me, I think there's a film and there's a ah book of architecture.

00:11:53.74 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Please share.

00:12:02.43 alexei sayle I should them i look this up, actually. Well, take a pause.

00:12:06.59 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Sure.

00:12:10.06 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Pause. Alexi's looking up some references to prevent him looking foolish or just to make his next bit a bit more informed and a bit more up to date.

00:12:22.44 alexei sayle Well yeah, just to make it.

00:12:27.23 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um And there's a graphic novel that he mentioned last week that he's got a quote on the cover of.

00:12:32.90 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:12:36.56 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal about so I've just got the word at well stuck in my head now but it's not that well it's that place in Liverpool I'm so ignorant about the north

00:12:50.94 alexei sayle So there is a book that they're asking to send me called, which I've seen mention of, which is called Liverpool and the Unmaking of Britain by a guy called Sam Wetherall. And I think it is about that how um Liverpool's kind of history, it says it's that explores the epic history of Liverpool since the Second World War, from the from its promising rise to its disastrous decline.

00:13:21.56 alexei sayle le Liverpool became a prism through which recent British history is brought into a new focus and provides an insight into what the future may hold for many more communities.

00:13:21.71 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh.

00:13:32.77 alexei sayle I assume it will. It sounds like an interesting book. I think they're going to send me so it's called somewhere through all Liverpool and the unmaking of Britain I think they're going to send me a copy that presumably it it it it it focuses it also focuses on the catastrophic Redevelopment. I mean it was there was an interesting article. I think it was by the Guardians ah Was it by no somebody No, it might have been Simon Jenkins. That's right. It was writing about how

00:14:05.83 alexei sayle he was at like a conference of architects in the 60s or 70s and they were talking about you know every every city was going to essentially was going to be demolished and motorways were going to be driven through the center of them and that to a degree that actually and it was this extraordinary arrogance of of architects and town planners and

00:14:19.75 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hmm.

00:14:28.95 alexei sayle kind of top down you know and people were either housed in these terrible kind of Le Corbusier style um blocks of flats or they were moved out to these distant housing estates with no facilities and it was catastrophic really and it was funny that where there's also this graphic novel Chris Shepherd called Amfield Road which is kind of Amfield Road which is sort of backed up for that but it was like

00:14:52.93 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and field, that's it.

00:14:57.52 alexei sayle And I can remember that because Anfield Road, the way our road, we lived off Anfield Road and our house, it was like we lived on the side that wasn't the rest from are from near the other side of Anfield Road. and No, Oakfield Road, Oakfield Road.

00:15:14.30 alexei sayle that that it that went through Everton and to terraced houses, went and then eventually he got to the city and the river. And our side of the street was sort of left alone, but the other side of the street was just rubble.

00:15:28.25 alexei sayle I mean, it was reduced to rubble from Oakfield Road into the city centre, more or less, that all the houses were demolished.

00:15:39.23 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal To what end? for how And for how long were they rubble?

00:15:40.66 alexei sayle Well,

00:15:43.20 alexei sayle years. like When I did that comic Roots, which was 1982, I think we filmed it on the, in my own, it was rubble for years. And then very slowly kind of you grass grew, I suppose.

00:15:57.36 alexei sayle And then, you know, system built flats were sort of erected in a kind of haphazard fashion. And ah it's still a bit, I mean, still, it's still, I think,

00:16:07.11 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hmm.

00:16:14.03 alexei sayle It's not a cityscape, you know, I mean, it's it's funny you watch, yeah, you watch like coverage of Spain or something. And even when the buildings are modern, they're built on a conventional street layout, you know, apartments, shops at the bottom, narrow roads, big main roads, you know, it's just the way the British cities would develop was just this disastrous, brutal, I mean, really,

00:16:43.78 alexei sayle Um, you know, and I think it was Simon Jenkins, I can't remember, you know, you start, you're watching people in tears being kind of put on buses and taken away from their homes. Um, you know, a particular terrible Hume, the terrible block of flats in, uh, state in, um, in Manchester.

00:17:05.14 alexei sayle Uh, but that's what, yeah.

00:17:06.13 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and what this is like ah an initiative to like modernize the cities or well what you have in london is that you know 80 of the high streets look identical and have the same shops in them and uh this and the same sequences

00:17:11.16 alexei sayle I mean, I suppose you didn't say because you lived in Ealing and Ealing. I mean, London kind of escaped. There's bits in it.

00:17:27.76 alexei sayle Yes, that's a ah but at least there are high streets. If you can imagine, there people there weren't even any high streets. there it wass just you know, pass through the rubble, really.

00:17:37.93 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal The fuck?

00:17:38.50 alexei sayle And there's just an extraordinary amount of beauty was destroyed. It happened in Birmingham, it happened in Manchester, it happened in it happened in Liverpool, you know, to a greater or lesser extent.

00:17:48.71 alexei sayle And yes, that that was the that is the backdrop of the 70s and the 80s, really.

00:17:58.35 alexei sayle An extraordinary crew. Often done by the Labour Party.

00:18:05.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Well, cause yeah, towards the end of the seventies is when you had, was it the summer or the winter of discontent when everyone kind of just had enough? And then that led to Thatcher winning a huge majority and I might get mixed up.

00:18:17.46 alexei sayle That you you sort of, Thatcher came, well, Winter of Discontent was 1974, Thatcher came to power in 1979.

00:18:27.98 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Okay. ah So all these things are merging into one in them.

00:18:30.89 alexei sayle But that was about a different, that in a sense was about a different thing. But certainly, I remember, I mean, the debt that was, you know, the money that was borrowed to sweep away all this beauty and community, all these working class communities was, the money was borrowed, presumably, and took a long, you know, made a major dent in the city's finances. And, you know, it was just, I mean, you know, there were slums, but, you know, I mean,

00:19:01.04 alexei sayle Nobody suggests you knock down Naples and built out. I mean, the way you could have taken those Victorian houses and just installed bathrooms and central heating and you didn't have to demolish miles on miles in them. And that's what they did really. But there's some interesting People should read about it, really, because it was a it was a kind of collective trauma, which you know was only really experienced by the working class, particularly in the North, that has never really been articulated, I think. you

00:19:39.65 alexei sayle Mm.

00:19:39.68 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That's uh, is there Maybe when we do our live show up in Liverpool, there'll be someone local who who we can talk to about that on the live show.

00:19:44.62 alexei sayle oh

00:19:49.16 alexei sayle Yeah, people don't, I mean people don't really, people say, oh look, I mean there is sort of a lot, there's in some bits there's a lot left, I mean in like the, you know, what do you call the Georgian Quarter now? Or is there a poor like Tostas, you know, there's a lot of fine Georgian architecture left.

00:20:09.89 alexei sayle But so yeah, there was just so much more. I would like one northern city. I think if there's any, I might be wrong about this. I always got the feeling in that if there was any northern city that sort of escaped.

00:20:25.23 alexei sayle Wholesale redevelopment. It was whole really because all was a kind of a a peninsula and a backwater and didn't have the money to To do these kind of wholesale Redevelopments and that the whole I don't know what all is like now But it seems to me when I visited there that it was a more that it was a town that had more architecture, you know, but it is I mean All right

00:20:35.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Right.

00:20:46.08 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I was in Skegness recently. and They, doesn't look like they've been redeveloped for a while.

00:20:51.53 alexei sayle No, well, there you go. Some seaside towns, yeah. But you think you go through to BBC and Manchester, you think Salford was there the centre of British working class consciousness, you know, it was on the centre of the industrial revolution.

00:21:03.92 alexei sayle It wasn't us maxing people.

00:21:04.36 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:21:06.59 alexei sayle There didn't seem to be any of it left, really. It's just terrible kind of hours in the States.

00:21:09.99 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal no um and um they value the yeah historic buildings more than that yeah there's so little again yeah it's the fucking people with money will just do anything to make more of it and not they'll fight tooth and nail to like

00:21:13.90 alexei sayle And you think about how, you know, any any other, certainly any other European country would not have done that. France, Spain, Italy would not have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:33.40 alexei sayle Well, yeah. Well, and they're allowed to do.

00:21:37.75 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal reduce the heritage status of a building just so they could fucking build us a shopping center there or something.

00:21:41.11 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:44.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um oh well You said I grew up in Ealing. There's this place in Ealing now called Filmworks.

00:21:52.54 alexei sayle Right.

00:21:53.00 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And it's like a very modern kind of cinema with a mini kind of shopping center built into it and a few cafes and stuff.

00:21:58.59 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah.

00:22:01.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah but it used to be our local cinema and it was a listed grade two listed buildings like this because you know it's it's right around the corner from Ealing Studios and it used to be the hub of UK cinema was Ealing and this they built back in the heyday of cinema in the 30s whatever they built this fucking gorgeous ah mini multiplex cinema it's got like four screens in it or something and the front facing side of the building

00:22:10.57 alexei sayle Yeah, film that. Yeah.

00:22:25.62 alexei sayle Mhmm.

00:22:29.98 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal has all this detail and, you know, sconces and like little gargoyles and these beautiful two massive like Hollywood style pillars at the front of the building.

00:22:34.35 alexei sayle Mhmm.

00:22:41.41 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And it had been, they just shut it down suddenly one day and it had been shut and left empty for years. I used to go there every week with my dad as a kid and then in my teens or late teens, they just shut it.

00:22:52.58 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And it had been shut for like close to 15 years. And it was a similar story to a Battersea Power Station. It was just like loads of people fighting over what they want to do with it.

00:23:00.71 alexei sayle Right.

00:23:04.57 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But in the end, um so and I wish Liverpool had a similar kind of ah team kind of caring about the buildings because in the end the council just fought so hard for them not to knock it down.

00:23:14.51 alexei sayle Really?

00:23:17.99 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal because everyone just wanted to knock it the fuck down and build whatever a fucking prime mark there or whatever.

00:23:20.13 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:23:25.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And they're like, no. And they they they, the front facing side of the building was protected by law. they They fought hard to make sure that at the very least the front side of the building with the pillars and the detail and all that, they're like, you can't touch that.

00:23:32.82 alexei sayle Right.

00:23:40.82 alexei sayle Right.

00:23:42.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So it's now become a really modern cinema. So it's still a cinema after 20 years of battles and the front of it still looks the same.

00:23:48.31 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:23:50.95 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But then if you go around the back, it's all like metal and shiny and and all that. But ah at least Ealing had our council fought to protect that, you know.

00:23:57.16 alexei sayle Yeah. Well done, healing. Well done, healing. Well, again again, I don't, you know, I i mean, I did, I didn't live in Liverpool through those years, but I visited because my mum lived there and Linda's parents lived there. So it was an era, I would go back nearly every week, but if somebody else has got another, there may be people listening who do you fought to preserve. There may be people who've got, again, got a different view on that really, but, you know.

00:24:27.38 alexei sayle anyway Anyway, we should, and we talk about doing a podcast, there was an interesting place in Tewbrüch that we, I mean, yeah I'm not gonna, it's not gonna happen right away, but we'll maybe do a live podcast up there at some point, yeah.

00:24:41.81 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal The one I sent you, you'd like the look of it.

00:24:42.95 alexei sayle Yeah, yeah, it looks all right. Yeah, 100. Yeah, why not? It's sort of, it's near, Yeah, because Shebrooke's near where I grew up really.

00:24:55.03 alexei sayle So, it'd be interesting from that point of view.

00:24:56.36 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal thinking we could do two shows there over a weekend film a bike ride up in Liverpool someone messaged asking why we haven't done a bike ride for a while have we given up on it completely

00:25:00.10 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:25:02.82 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:25:10.89 alexei sayle Yeah, I couldn't sort of... it's my fault i I haven't got the enthusiasm for it so I mean it felt like we did a few electric ones anyway and they gave us them bikes and that piece of kit that you got that yeah the sort of the advanced camera thing with three series is much better than the GoPros that we used to have but don't um

00:25:28.13 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal the camera, the 360 camera.

00:25:37.88 alexei sayle Yeah, I suddenly felt I didn't have anything to, you know, I'd sort of done that really.

00:25:43.45 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Well, we did the bike ride to Gaza one, the one where we cycled to the protest.

00:25:43.95 alexei sayle ah race Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

00:25:48.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And that was beautiful.

00:25:48.64 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:25:49.42 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And that's one of our most successful ones in terms of viewership.

00:25:52.43 alexei sayle Right. Yeah.

00:25:54.65 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um and I thought it was really nice and I'm starting to get better at editing with that camera because it was really tricky so we got that camera when we got the electric bikes and so and it was it's so weird having can you imagine having 360 degree footage

00:26:01.02 alexei sayle Mmm.

00:26:12.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You know, my whole life I've been editing just a square of image, you know, and suddenly you've got this wraparound weird video and you're like, what do I do with it?

00:26:15.06 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:26:20.39 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:26:20.49 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Where do I point it? And it's like, it's a lot of lot to take in and think about while you're editing. But by the time we did the road to Gaza one, I think I kind of, I simplified it down and and it made it look nice.

00:26:34.12 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Cause when we were, yeah, not,

00:26:34.16 alexei sayle Hmm. Let me think about it. I mean, it felt like it was a kind of lock. I mean, it was It was big join in lockdown, wasn't it? Because it's a way for people to, yeah, yeah.

00:26:42.23 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal it was the lockdown bike ride is how it started. But yeah, my point is, I think when we have an occasion or a destination that really drives us to do a bike ride, um rather within than having you aimlessly wander around random streets and pulling stories out your butt.

00:26:51.33 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:26:58.41 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:27:00.35 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Because the Gaza one, you had something you wanted to say, you know somewhere to go.

00:27:02.90 alexei sayle yes

00:27:04.18 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and And that's what made it, I think, quite substantial.

00:27:06.78 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah

00:27:09.16 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah So that's why I think, you know, next time we're in a location like Liverpool or something, we'll we'll do another one.

00:27:14.36 alexei sayle Yeah, yeah.

00:27:18.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:27:19.66 alexei sayle All right, are we, I'll just say there was, a this is the inside of film.

00:27:20.04 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Okay, would you like some more questions from listeners?

00:27:26.10 alexei sayle got There was a film, I think it was on the telly. There was a film on the telly that I call Midas Man, which was about Brian Epstein, who Beatles manager. It was a distant relative of mine.

00:27:37.54 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Ooh.

00:27:38.09 alexei sayle And it was pretty dreadful, really. Pretty banal kind of. They also, each of the Beatles, there's a lot of films, each of the Beatles looked like who you were playing, but only from one angle. yes But I remember I was offered the part of Alan Williams, the Beatles previous manager, the man who lost the Beatles. And they said, half a day's filming, you have to shave your beard off. So I said, no, I won't bother.

00:28:08.36 alexei sayle I'm not going to bother. So when I watched it on the telly, I didn't watch all of it. When I watched it on the telly, Eddie Izzard was playing that part anyway.

00:28:17.66 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal playing the part you you were meant to go for.

00:28:17.92 alexei sayle doing Yeah, playing Alan Williams. Yeah. Yeah.

00:28:21.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That's funny.

00:28:22.60 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:28:23.93 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and

00:28:24.00 alexei sayle It's a pretty shit film, really.

00:28:28.39 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah

00:28:28.84 alexei sayle And also, of course, they don't have the the rights to any of the music, so it's fine if it's in the early years when they're playing real little Richard songs and stuff. It's fine, but once they get into the way the Beatles started writing their own songs, they suddenly become curiously mute musically.

00:28:46.55 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Did you used to watch Eddie Azad's comedy specials, the the the ones from like the 90s?

00:28:51.57 alexei sayle I didn't really, I think I'll take the Fifth Amendment on that one.

00:28:54.08 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You didn't really.

00:28:57.98 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, okay.

00:29:00.56 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah Shit, what did you, you reminded me to say. All right, we've had, every we're seeing, we're doing these weekly, I've been putting out on our Instagram, at alexicellpod, if you wanna follow us on Instagram, at alexicellpod.

00:29:16.12 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal putting out a call out for any questions and stuff. And things were talking about films. ah Someone asked what was the last, when was the last time you went to the cinema?

00:29:21.92 alexei sayle Mm hmm.

00:29:25.95 alexei sayle Oh, God, yeah.

00:29:26.44 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And what did you see?

00:29:28.98 alexei sayle I haven't. Again, it's one of them things is that we went to American fiction, ah which I really liked.

00:29:35.03 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Incredible.

00:29:35.60 alexei sayle And Linda's a big fan of the author of something ever, isn't he? His politics, his politics seem pretty good as well. um And yeah, I thought it was really good.

00:29:46.73 alexei sayle i haven I haven't been back since. I am i am a member of the cares and Cinema because we've got one near.

00:29:53.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal every time we record. I know, it's funny.

00:29:58.86 alexei sayle I'm a member of the kids and cinema mostly because it means I get 10% off buying a coffee there.

00:30:04.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Ah, they're nice cinemas.

00:30:04.77 alexei sayle and the bros Yeah.

00:30:08.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal American fiction was splendid.

00:30:11.32 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:30:11.87 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I recommend anyone watch that.

00:30:12.90 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:30:13.35 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's just a profoundly interesting way to talk about race and diversity and assimilation and

00:30:18.86 alexei sayle Hmm. Yeah, yeah, but I should, I should go more really, but.

00:30:26.92 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, right. Last thing I saw was June 2. That was ages ago.

00:30:31.87 alexei sayle I was actually somebody, it was a question somewhere, wasn't it? But yeah, I really like, I i was on ah i had a, I had June 2 on my computer and it was, I was away filming and it was the only film I had.

00:30:45.38 alexei sayle So I kept what I've watched it about four times. But I really like it. And it is. I mean, it is about and it's about anti colonialism, isn't it?

00:30:55.96 alexei sayle It's about an anti colonial struggle.

00:30:56.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yes, 100%.

00:30:59.14 alexei sayle Really.

00:31:00.33 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I love everything about those films apart from the fact that the people who are clearly meant to be the Arabs are ah all played by Mexicans sir and and South Americans and mixed race people.

00:31:09.78 alexei sayle Right.

00:31:12.47 alexei sayle Right. That's right.

00:31:15.02 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But, um you know, because it's clearly about oil and the Middle East and the fight over Imperial control over the Middle East and the oil flow and stuff like this.

00:31:15.44 alexei sayle Right.

00:31:18.40 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:31:25.73 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:31:26.94 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's kind of clear the analogy there.

00:31:28.87 alexei sayle Yeah. I don't know if Frank here, but sort of that way. But certainly, I mean, they, yeah, I mean, the, um, yeah, the, uh, Zendaya's people are, they all dress like Arabs, don't they really?

00:31:39.80 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal they That's the thing.

00:31:40.20 alexei sayle So yeah.

00:31:41.25 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal but It's not just, you know, it's not as there's but loosely of the idea of they dress like Arabs and they're nomadic.

00:31:47.09 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:31:48.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And you know they sit around drinking coffee, really strong coffee.

00:31:48.92 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:31:52.05 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They fight they live in the desert.

00:31:52.05 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:31:53.37 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal they It's like everything is Arab, Arab, Arab, Arab, Arab, Arab, Mexicans.

00:31:54.12 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:31:56.84 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:31:57.91 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal you know ah which Which winds me up, but the cast are really good.

00:31:58.81 alexei sayle Right.

00:32:01.77 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So i'll I'll let them off, I guess, but...

00:32:03.73 alexei sayle They are really good. I think I'd seen, I'd seen part one once, I think. But I went back and watched that again.

00:32:14.37 alexei sayle And I don't, I presume it is a part three in the works.

00:32:16.28 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Just... Yeah, they're amazing cinema experiences.

00:32:22.04 alexei sayle And they all also, I suppose, it's a bit like Henry V or something. It's also about, yeah, I mean, I should see it, should have seen it in the cinema really, because I'm acting as a magnificent. But it's also about, um his because at the end of the second one, he has taken on the mantle of the sort of the leader, hasn't he?

00:32:41.52 alexei sayle But that means that he is now distanced from Zendaya and the people who got him to that point, really.

00:32:48.69 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:32:49.02 alexei sayle Rather like in Shakespeare, it's Henry V when Henry V, having become king, turns on his old pals, like Falstaff and yeah becomes this kind of,

00:32:57.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Right.

00:33:03.85 alexei sayle uh you know kind of um uh kind of very fanatical well not fanatical but i mean it becomes uh you know takes on the mantle of of kinghood annoying and casts off

00:33:17.82 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Or like, um I'm not familiar with Henry. The, which one was it? Fifth. I've not read or seen. I'm kind of, I'm a bit intimidated by Shakespeare to be completely frank with you.

00:33:31.28 alexei sayle Yeah, we went to see Coriolanus as well at the National Theatre a couple of weeks ago, which is Coriolanus.

00:33:35.10 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Disgusting.

00:33:39.20 alexei sayle What's disgusting, that joke.

00:33:40.82 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Sometimes pornographic.

00:33:43.18 alexei sayle David Dalloway, which is not a great play really, but that's sort of about power.

00:33:49.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That's a really, but that's a really interesting parallel with June as well. And it's like so many, so many leftist revolutionaries who organize an amazing coup and then become horrible dictators themselves, as you've seen in the Middle East countless times in South America and stuff.

00:33:54.40 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:34:02.10 alexei sayle and Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

00:34:10.16 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah. But again, also he's the white man. who becomes the leader of all the the Arabs, quote unquote.

00:34:17.01 alexei sayle Timothée Chamalay. Yeah. Yes, I suppose so.

00:34:20.18 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Shalame.

00:34:20.30 alexei sayle There is that.

00:34:23.53 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Did you hear about this New York Timothy Shalame lookalike competition from last month?

00:34:29.63 alexei sayle I sure I can show the headlines in the paper.

00:34:34.46 alexei sayle I need to hear it.

00:34:34.96 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal is It was a hilarious sequence of events. Like they kept getting uh kicked out of venues they were trying to organize it at these different venues and they were too many people came for some reason it was just this huge buzz about it and so they they got shut down multiple times they ended up doing it in a park the police came and kicked them out of the park so they did it in a third or fourth location finally

00:34:43.03 alexei sayle Right.

00:34:51.08 alexei sayle Right.

00:35:02.69 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And the grand prize for the winner was $50, $50.

00:35:06.05 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:35:08.14 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And then when they announced the winner, it turned out Timothy Chalamet had been hiding in the audience with a cap and sunglasses the whole time and came up and took a picture with the...

00:35:12.43 alexei sayle All right.

00:35:15.38 alexei sayle He didn't put himself up because there's apocryphal stories about people entering. I don't know. You know, it looked like concerts in coming third.

00:35:20.35 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal entering their own look like... And then he came up, took a picture with the winner and then got chased by the crowd through the park.

00:35:25.95 alexei sayle All right.

00:35:28.95 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and ah And there are just many great um posts about it. And you're not on any social media, are you? You're not.

00:35:35.92 alexei sayle No, no.

00:35:36.83 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And do you ever like, without an account, go and browse on them? Do you have an, I'm on your phone.

00:35:40.56 alexei sayle Not really very rarely very occasionally.

00:35:43.46 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I'm curious about this because as a Palestine, a Palestine supporter who is on Instagram, my algorithm feeds me lots of

00:35:50.96 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:35:54.46 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Palestine stuff. And I see supposedly things that they don't show on mainstream media, which is what they all say.

00:36:00.00 alexei sayle Yes.

00:36:00.89 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Mainstream media won't show you this, mainstream media won't show you that.

00:36:02.49 alexei sayle Hmm.

00:36:03.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal However, I don't consume much mainstream media at all.

00:36:06.24 alexei sayle Right.

00:36:06.92 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So that, and it's kind of bad and it's something I want to change, but it tends to be my main source of news is through social media and YouTube or whatnot.

00:36:12.69 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:36:15.23 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But I do see on Instagram, lots countless images and photographs and videos. of you know all the injured children and and people under the rubble and babies with their heads blown off.

00:36:25.12 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:36:28.71 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Literally, you know you see images of dismembered and horribly injured and dead young, young people and older people, everything.

00:36:36.96 alexei sayle Hmm.

00:36:37.84 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Constantly in my algorithm being fed to me.

00:36:39.30 alexei sayle Hmm.

00:36:41.44 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And I'm so, well, I guess, well, they say bear witness.

00:36:41.58 alexei sayle Why would I want to see that?

00:36:46.79 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They say we should all bear witness.

00:36:47.34 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:36:49.31 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And not, you know, but that's not the point. My, my, so you don't, my question was me. So you do not see that stuff. Yours personally.

00:36:55.48 alexei sayle No, I avoid it really. I mean, you know, is ah it's a deliberate, that is a deliberate act. I couldn't, I feel bad enough as it is. So I think if I saw that stuff as well, I don't know if that really, you know, it would just kind of do me in completely, I think.

00:37:09.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:37:15.98 alexei sayle So no, and Linda, Linda won't let me go on social media. She says I wouldn't last five minutes.

00:37:23.21 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So what where do you get your Palestine news from?

00:37:25.85 alexei sayle Well, I mean, I, I,

00:37:29.86 alexei sayle I have a couple of websites I sort of look at like Squawk Box or Jewish Voice for Labour. So they're all you know they they they're they're always pretty.

00:37:41.10 alexei sayle good um and just YouTube really just looking at videos on YouTube and people talking rather than usually do rather than massacres but it is an interesting I mean certainly if you don't watch mainstream media it's certainly the whole ah Israeli the Maccabee Tel Aviv supporters I mean that was a prime example of mainstream media lying I mean

00:38:08.97 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yep.

00:38:09.35 alexei sayle that there was a little bit of sky news at the start that these people are violent, racist hooligans. They rioted on the Tuesday night. I think he was attacked.

00:38:20.55 alexei sayle Palestinian, you know, flag homes, flying Palestinian flags, chanted, you know, chanted, you know, death to the Arabs.

00:38:27.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Death to Arabs. Yeah.

00:38:28.37 alexei sayle And then that was all then the narrative change because Israel and Israelis have to be presented entirely as victims, can only present be presented, it can never be presented as instigators of violence, because as as the racist that they really are, because then the whole narrative of of Israel as the innocent victim would come tumbling down.

00:38:54.47 alexei sayle So there's an example, an egregious example where Sky News had a relatively factual ah report and they took it down and the video.

00:39:02.97 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah, they took it down, re-edited it to change the story and put it back up again.

00:39:04.86 alexei sayle Yeah. And then even they took even that down, I think. um But that is a prime example of the abs and, you know, and also the Western, you know, starma issuing, you know, is never issued a denunciation of children being, you know, hospitals, children being set on fire outside hospitals. But, you know, my starma and Lamy managed to stare themselves from the trough that they're in to you know condemn that and the mayor of Amsterdam saying you know we've failed the Jewish people and it was you know a prime example really of the hypocrisy and the lies of mainstream media and I think

00:39:50.63 alexei sayle I think a lot of people these days were able to see the the truth, the true narrative, you know. And, you know, I mean, um some of the media, I think Channel Four still sort of hinted at it a bit, but it's all a lie, man.

00:40:06.90 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Do you, do you read all the papers as well?

00:40:08.66 alexei sayle It's all, I mean, now I just get the Guardian online, really, in and look at that, get annoyed.

00:40:11.91 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Like the book?

00:40:16.24 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Right.

00:40:19.16 alexei sayle and my phone gives me the telegraph which i root is just full of kind of most demented right-wing bullshit but it's it's so yeah yeah because of course I used to write for the telegraph as I was a motion course but some people sometimes when they want to people who don't like me you know they'll say still writing for the telegraph Alexei which the answer is no

00:40:24.33 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal oh yeah they've kind of gone extra right wing haven't they yeah yeah

00:40:43.12 alexei sayle ah but No, no, no. There was a point when I thought that I mean, I was only a motor in correspondence anyway, but ah uh there was a point when the Telegraph was reasonably sane I mean in the sense that you would get the right wing nonsense on one page but on the other page there'd be somebody relatively liberal but then it when the Barkley brothers took it over in 2012 which is when I got fired um it then became from then on became insanely right wing and now it's just it's disgusting yeah

00:41:03.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:41:15.30 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Right. Now, even the even the motoring articles are right wing.

00:41:22.11 alexei sayle And all that, I mean, there used to be this lavish kind of motion. I mean, all that, all that's died, really. that really There's a really lavage lavish, supplement, full-colour supplement within the Saturday paper, close to, you know, the economics of that ah collapsed, really.

00:41:37.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, right, yeah.

00:41:41.00 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal a

00:41:44.52 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Dave Allen, I'm going to listen to questions now.

00:41:46.19 alexei sayle Hmm.

00:41:49.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Dave Allen's biography or autobiography, they say biography, but ah you get several positive mentions in that.

00:41:57.92 alexei sayle ah

00:41:59.33 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Is it reciprocated? And who's Dave Allen?

00:42:01.70 alexei sayle I mean so yeah but Dave Allen was a very rare example really of a comedian who was big on the telly in the 60s 70s I suppose but he wasn't really a a racist, you know, he was, he, he had, I don't know, I think he'd been like a, I don't know whether he was a chat show host or a journalist or something in Ireland, but he, um, he would do these, he only had, he had, I was missing half of one finger.

00:42:31.09 alexei sayle I don't remember. He would, yeah.

00:42:32.48 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, Dave Allen, yes, the Irish ex-Catholic.

00:42:35.16 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:42:36.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal He's he brilliant.

00:42:36.73 alexei sayle Yeah. So he would do these kind of monologues. Yeah.

00:42:39.96 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal He'd sit in his armchair with a glass of brandy or something.

00:42:41.61 alexei sayle do these monologues, yeah. And then he'd do sketches as well, I think.

00:42:45.60 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:42:47.30 alexei sayle Yeah, I mean, yeah. I mean, he was certainly a rare, a rare, he was a big, you know, ah is ah was ah he was a rare kind of outlier for people like Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson and Littler Lodge.

00:43:00.63 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal yes and he he gave off the energy of and a kind man oh my father used to love him and we had a he would sit me down and we'd watch it when it when it was on telly

00:43:07.79 alexei sayle Yeah. I think Barry Cryer used to write a lot for him. I didn't think his stuff was like super funny, really, if I'm honest.

00:43:19.12 alexei sayle you know

00:43:26.56 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:43:28.82 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal him and and and the you know two the two Ronnies, and but my dad was a huge...

00:43:32.84 alexei sayle Yeah. I mean, the Ronnies are obviously Ronnie B and Ronnie C. I mean, we're more, we're more mainstream, really.

00:43:40.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:43:40.82 alexei sayle But yeah, they, they might still avoid both.

00:43:43.42 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But did you have, so it's all coming back to, I i absolutely adore David and I thought his stories were really funny, especially stories about the Catholic school and the nuns and stuff that he grew up with.

00:43:47.49 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:43:53.75 alexei sayle Yeah. I never liked him that much at, yeah.

00:43:54.67 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And he was very anti-church

00:43:57.25 alexei sayle I never liked him that much at the time, but that might be an example of me being a prick.

00:44:01.58 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So you weren you knew him, you worked with him or what?

00:44:03.54 alexei sayle I didn't know him at all, and never met him now. But I mean, he was, when I was like, still, you know, washing dishes or working on buildings or whatever, you know, I mean, that was, that was his heyday.

00:44:15.30 alexei sayle as it I wasn't in the business when he was his heyday, I think.

00:44:18.23 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But you get several positive mentions in his biography.

00:44:20.56 alexei sayle I feel guilty now for not liking him more.

00:44:24.73 alexei sayle I mean, yeah, he was certainly, he was a good thing and and and I should have,

00:44:31.11 alexei sayle ah I'd be interested to see his stuff again, really, because I'd probably be in a bit of a get by not liking him. Even before I was in the entertainment business, i that's strange.

00:44:45.74 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal that is weird so it's a biography not an autobiography it's called Dave Allen the biography written by Carolyn Souter I'm curious to read that now because ah if you're mentioned in it I'll report back to you okay when I get around to reading it in about six fucking months I'm so slow at reading all right that's really nice to hear that was a

00:44:46.65 alexei sayle Strange preferences. and

00:44:57.95 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:45:00.65 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah.

00:45:11.03 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That was from Make It Jones, that question. And he's the fella who made those little Lego, little Lego Alexis.

00:45:15.48 alexei sayle All right. Right.

00:45:18.30 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and Okay. How many languages, this is fun. How many languages can you count to 10 in?

00:45:26.41 alexei sayle Oh my god. Uh, not to ten.

00:45:33.33 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Do one. Can you do Spanish?

00:45:33.84 alexei sayle One.

00:45:34.65 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Surely you can do Spanish.

00:45:35.26 alexei sayle Uno, dos, tres, cuatro, cinco,

00:45:42.12 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Ocho.

00:45:50.78 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Amazing, Alexi. Really nice. Okay, do French. Sis. Yeah.

00:46:08.64 alexei sayle uh, what's 10? What's 10?

00:46:12.60 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Dis. Amazing. Really good. I love it. um German.

00:46:18.74 alexei sayle And now

00:46:24.76 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Really? A German. Einsweidrei. Whoa. Wow. Can you do Russian?

00:46:38.82 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That's crazy, yeah. you That was like, a that was a Manchurian candidate. Fucking level just had been untapped from your brain.

00:46:48.98 alexei sayle back of the brain for no reason. That's weird.

00:46:52.79 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You must know Russian from your heritage, no?

00:46:54.14 alexei sayle That's crazy. No, I don't know. No.

00:47:00.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Do you wanna hit?

00:47:00.81 alexei sayle I was watching ah on um Amazon. I apologize for mentioning Amazon. I was there was a film about, there's a Russian film about this kind of highly romanticized story about it's called Ak Kalashnikov,

00:47:24.65 alexei sayle AK 47. It's about the story of Kalashnikov and the making of the AK 47.

00:47:29.46 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Whoa.

00:47:31.67 alexei sayle I wouldn't recommend it, but

00:47:34.83 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal When you said romanticize, I was...

00:47:37.36 alexei sayle Well, you know, yeah, I think it's probably, no, yeah, there was a bit of romance in it actually.

00:47:38.14 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Is it... ah It's not a romance film, I'm imagining.

00:47:42.96 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:47:44.42 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh.

00:47:45.12 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:47:46.05 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Can you do ah Arabic?

00:47:49.01 alexei sayle Now I used to be able to, but I can't know.

00:47:53.06 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal wahead ni la or bacha says sitaba man ti ah ashara I've had a couple questions about this lint cafe in Sydney. There was a bomber or something. Did you hear about this?

00:48:06.72 alexei sayle No, I don't know anything about this.

00:48:09.83 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah Neither did I. Two people have asked about it.

00:48:11.18 alexei sayle Why do I have to?

00:48:12.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I'm going to look it up and we'll talk about it.

00:48:13.32 alexei sayle Yeah, yeah.

00:48:14.24 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and Night Voice, I've had a couple of questions about.

00:48:17.04 alexei sayle Ha! Nice voice.

00:48:18.44 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Ask Alexey about Night Voice, ah his best ever acting role.

00:48:23.06 alexei sayle Yeah!

00:48:23.95 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Did you have much say in the character?

00:48:24.15 alexei sayle Yeah, again! Yeah, it was, Night Voice was, I was a sort of shabby um late night sort of talk jock in, I think it was Sheffield,

00:48:27.99 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I don't know what Night Voice is, could you give us some context please?

00:48:40.95 alexei sayle ah sort of sad man and I somehow got involved. And yeah, it was a really good piece of acting, but I mean, it was one of those things. It was, I think it was filmed too, I think. And I was very excited when it went out, but it sort of didn't really lead to, it was written by a playwright called Dave Shearsby, I think. It didn't really lead to any more or better roles really. But yeah, I gave it everything and I've got a long monologue.

00:49:14.21 alexei sayle towards the end as the DJ, which I did in one take and got a round of applause off the crew because it was so intense.

00:49:19.72 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hm.

00:49:21.14 alexei sayle um There was a very young Leslie Sharp on that. Oh, I got a friend of his for a while. And Kevin Waitley and Neil Dutchen is now of course, Midsomer Murders.

00:49:36.58 alexei sayle And um yeah, no, I agree. It's an interesting piece of work. And I was and I mean, I am at my best. I was at my best in a way when I was playing.

00:49:48.02 alexei sayle So, you know, I could do sad, vulnerable sort of characters really. And that's who he was. And that's what I enjoyed doing. I got cast a lot as, as heavies and villains.

00:49:58.23 alexei sayle And I was very, I was really poor at that.

00:49:59.97 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, so this isn't a movie.

00:50:01.30 alexei sayle But, uh, yeah, it's a really interesting.

00:50:03.68 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal This is part of a series called Screenplay.

00:50:07.05 alexei sayle Screens. Yeah. Screenplay or screens on, but they were shot.

00:50:09.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah So these like plays for TV.

00:50:10.69 alexei sayle They're one hour films shown on BBC two, I think.

00:50:14.65 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal From 1990, directed by Richard Spence, ah Clarence Flamer hosts a late night talk show on regional radio station, North Star Sound.

00:50:17.85 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:50:21.01 alexei sayle That's right.

00:50:25.86 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal A phone call he takes one night leads to his discovering a mortgage scam being run by a group of estate agents. His attempts to delve deeper have tragic consequences.

00:50:37.53 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:50:38.46 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh, starring yourself and Kevin Waitley, Ruth Sheen,

00:50:43.32 alexei sayle okay yeah machine

00:50:48.63 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Leslie Sharp, Uh, Neil Dodgen, who looks a lot, no, he doesn't look like Conan O'Brien.

00:50:53.92 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:50:56.29 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Uh, okay. This never, I have heard a screenplay, um, didn't, um, Lisa Mayer do a screenplay episode.

00:51:08.14 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Am I mistaken? I don't want to speak out of town.

00:51:11.79 alexei sayle yeah

00:51:13.49 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Um,

00:51:14.86 alexei sayle That's what I know of. I wouldn't put it past that.

00:51:19.09 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and Okay, I wonder where we can watch that.

00:51:22.29 alexei sayle Might be on YouTube or something.

00:51:25.90 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal did you so Do you agree that this might be your best performance?

00:51:30.70 alexei sayle Yeah, I think so, yeah. Yeah.

00:51:33.98 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Fascinating stuff. I love getting homework. I'm gonna watch that.

00:51:40.01 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah Okay, moving on. ah Any interesting stories about didn't you kill my brother?

00:51:48.95 alexei sayle to film or the song.

00:51:52.75 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It was a film as well

00:51:54.27 alexei sayle Yeah, it was a comic strip film. Again, it was a one hour comic strip film. It started me playing twin brothers as sort of homage to the Cray brothers. um interesting Interesting stories.

00:52:07.45 alexei sayle ah

00:52:11.27 alexei sayle um There's a young actor on it called Dexter Fletcher, of course, now he's a, was in like Band of Brothers and stuff like that. It's now a, seems to specialize in kind of biopics of sort of 80s, 70s movie stars. He did the Queen one. I think he might've taken that one over and he did the, he did the Elton John one, I think. Remember he had a, he had a Land Rover.

00:52:38.92 alexei sayle and I had a go in it and then I bought one. Short wheelbase V8. Rover 90. Land Rover 90. That's not really a very interesting story, is it?

00:52:48.87 alexei sayle I think I see him walking in his dog up past my house sometimes.

00:52:49.48 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal It's not bad

00:52:52.66 alexei sayle ah Late Bob Spears directed. Oh, be yeah, it was, well, we had any, Beryl Reed played my mum, played the twins, the most, and I,

00:53:04.77 alexei sayle Beryl Reade is a really interesting character. She loved me. She'd been a musical star and then sort of transitioned to acting and her finest role is probably in the Alec Guinness, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, where she plays the the sort of archivist of MI5, MI6, and not the terrible shitty bloody Benedict Cumberbatch one, but the Gary Oldman one, but the the BBC one, which is really worth watching.

00:53:20.70 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh.

00:53:31.15 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh.

00:53:35.45 alexei sayle And she she loved me and she was really always, I mean she was one of them. I mean, she was like, you needed to work with her before lunchtime. with them we can and but She loved me so much. as She was always inviting me to her cottage, honey pots.

00:53:52.99 alexei sayle um on the banks of the Thames and I never went really and I wish I'd admired her so much as a performer really and that's somebody like a working class, somebody who'd come out of the old Victorian music world almost and then transitioned to being an actor.

00:54:00.40 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Hmm.

00:54:09.08 alexei sayle She's a very funny turn as well, she's very funny and I regret really that We're in the the, it was Robbie Coltrane's memorial yes yesterday, the day before, in the Actors Church in Covent Garden, and there was a bench in the garden dedicated to Beryl Reid, and Linda said to me, you should have been nicer to her. And

00:54:36.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal That's got a sting.

00:54:36.70 alexei sayle I agreed. I mean, I remember we got her on stuff. And Marcus Mortimer, who's a very, very nice, he's the director producer, but he was horrible to me. He was a bit mean to Beryl Reid, I don't know why. um But yeah, I did get her on stuff as well. She's worth, somebody worth locking up.

00:55:03.93 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and Who else, which other the comic strip people were in that film? but they all You were all in it, I guess.

00:55:09.54 alexei sayle No, there wasn't many actually, because it was just, it was when, ah for some reason, I think Pete's in it. I don't think anybody's in it, apart from me really and Pete, briefly. Apart from that, it's all, who else is in it really? I can't remember who's in it.

00:55:33.69 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal did So you played twins in it?

00:55:35.81 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:55:36.23 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And would you have scenes with yourself?

00:55:39.26 alexei sayle Yeah, which was really difficult to do then on film. You had to like, the camera had to be, the lens had to be blocked out with it. It's so easy now with digital, but the lens had to be blocked out with a sort of piece of cardboard.

00:55:50.92 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Really? They would cover half the lens?

00:55:52.45 alexei sayle Yeah, off the lens. Anyway, and then then you then you take the cardboard off and you trim the other side of the conversation.

00:55:59.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Fuck.

00:55:59.92 alexei sayle It was really primitive. But yeah, I played scenes where I talked to myself.

00:56:04.56 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And so you wouldn't be able to.

00:56:05.02 alexei sayle I don't know what it's like now. I haven't, I mean, it's years. It's full of a lot of my themes and obsessions, really. I don't ah wrote it with Pauline Melville, said now an actress and a writer, and and then my dear friend, late David Stafford. And then yeah, I think it's, I mean, I don't um don't know that screenwriting is really my strong suit, really. It's an interesting piece of work.

00:56:37.02 alexei sayle But I don't know.

00:56:37.26 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh wow, you wrote it as well.

00:56:38.91 alexei sayle Yeah, well, me and Pauline and David Jam together. But it's based on, it's based on, there was a song, I had a hit song.

00:56:44.49 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:56:49.98 alexei sayle that Well, it was a hit in Canada and Australia anyway.

00:56:52.50 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Your song came first.

00:56:52.93 alexei sayle cold Yeah. Yeah. Well, didn't you kill my brother?

00:56:55.98 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh.

00:56:56.83 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:56:57.96 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But can you tell me more about acting with yourself, like the method of that, like not just the technical side. I mean, like you're as an actor talking to a blank space, right?

00:57:08.13 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And then you'd go and film the other side of the conversation.

00:57:09.15 alexei sayle Yeah, it's that me something you do. I mean, you know, it's ah it was a comic movie. So it wasn't like there was any I mean, it was I mean, Tom Hardy did it.

00:57:19.58 alexei sayle Didn't he blame both the cray twins because it's much easier with the technology.

00:57:21.22 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Yeah.

00:57:23.99 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal But my I think the hardest bit would be the timing, right? If you're having a conversation with yourself and you're you're ah supposedly filming it in one shot, so you'd have to time the gaps, leave gaps for yourself.

00:57:28.90 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:57:36.19 alexei sayle Well, somebody else, well, somebody else reads in the lines.

00:57:36.25 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and

00:57:40.92 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal ah But the pacing, the way they read it, I guess you'd rehearse it a bunch, right?

00:57:41.12 alexei sayle I think, you know, you got, so you're acting, you're not just acting sort of blank, you're acting just somebody else who did the lines.

00:57:49.25 alexei sayle Yeah, yeah. I think I've done that kind of thing a few times like on stuff and that it wasn't, it's just a sort of, you know, it's all the magic of cinema, isn't it really? It's not unheard of. I mean, I know,

00:58:04.15 alexei sayle Yeah, I mean, people often, I mean, especially these days, but, um yeah, with digital, you know, people are often having to act to a kind of tennis ball on a stick, aren't they, which is laser.

00:58:17.29 alexei sayle later going to turn into a kind of CGI monster. So I think it just comes with that sort of, that's, that's, that's what acting is, you know, is, is that kind of nonsense or that kind of magic, you know, yeah is, is, you know, giving heart and soul, you know, and giving a really emotional performance to a tennis ball on a stick. I mean, that is, that is the business of acting really.

00:58:47.75 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal we found the episode title there tennis ball on a stick um love it right i think uh we've got to leave it there lex um let's actually we wanted to discuss what film we're going to watch that was a suggestion was with nail and eye i've never seen that

00:58:55.79 alexei sayle Yeah.

00:58:59.48 alexei sayle Yeah, we should say what film I'm going to do because I know that's with nail and eyes one. Yeah. Have you got anything? What do you Oh, well, it I mean, it wasn't. I mean, I thought at the time it was a masterpiece. And also I have got some friends who go on there are with nail and eye weekends. You can go on now where you also because it's partly about, it's an extended kind of drinking session.

00:59:26.15 alexei sayle So there's a bit, you have to drink, you drink meat. He drinks lighter for you at one point, which I think presumably you can substitute vodka for that, but it's an amazing.

00:59:31.65 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal fucking

00:59:37.42 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal So, are we Someone suggested Banshees are in a shearing.

00:59:39.10 alexei sayle I mean, I have some, I mean, I have, I mean, I don't, I mean, I have some stories about a couple of the people in it. um I thought, it I mean, when I first saw it, I thought it was a masterpiece.

00:59:50.40 alexei sayle What other suggestions are there?

00:59:55.49 alexei sayle Don't know it well enough for me.

00:59:57.13 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Well, that's the point, is we'd watch it. Unlike last time, we didn't watch Edge of Tomorrow.

01:00:00.57 alexei sayle Oh.

01:00:01.41 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal The point is we watch it and then discuss it.

01:00:05.58 alexei sayle o that of what I've seen it. I don't want to.

01:00:09.98 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You've watched Dune 2 14 times, but and that's a three-hour film.

01:00:14.54 alexei sayle Yeah. I don't, um, well, I think I don't, I mean, I like, I don't, I don't want to do the Banshee relationship.

01:00:17.33 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal You don't like rewatching stuff.

01:00:22.43 alexei sayle I mean, I think Martin McConister.

01:00:23.16 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I think it's too recent as well, I i agree.

01:00:24.70 alexei sayle Yeah.

01:00:25.28 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal I'd rather do Withnail, because it's it is a masterpiece, apparently, and I've never seen it.

01:00:25.38 alexei sayle Yeah.

01:00:28.28 alexei sayle Yeah.

01:00:29.71 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And it's a showcase of great acting performances as well, right?

01:00:35.34 alexei sayle Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:36.89 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And I love drinking. Maybe we could get drunk and watch it.

01:00:39.57 alexei sayle We could drink, we could match.

01:00:43.89 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Is that the point? Is you're meant to match him drink for drink on screen?

01:00:47.30 alexei sayle There is a group of people who do that, yeah.

01:00:47.57 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Oh my God. That sounds wild. No, thanks.

01:00:52.51 alexei sayle Yeah.

01:00:53.32 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um I think my partner likes that film. And we'd wanna, yeah, nodding. Yeah, that she'd wanna watch it with me.

01:00:59.94 alexei sayle Yeah.

01:00:59.99 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal so um and But we're not gonna talk about it until the first podcast of December.

01:01:07.12 alexei sayle Okay.

01:01:07.62 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal We're gonna do a monthly film club. We're not gonna give ourselves too much work to do, but it'll be great if you if you watch it and refresh your memory on it at some point.

01:01:10.27 alexei sayle All right. Yeah. Okay.

01:01:17.34 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal And listeners at home, there's your homework. You've got about two and a half weeks, two, three weeks to watch with Nail. We'll give you a heads up the episode before we discuss with Nail and I.

01:01:29.96 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um Great, love it.

01:01:30.25 alexei sayle Okay. All right.

01:01:32.66 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal With Nail it is. ah Any last parting words?

01:01:37.95 alexei sayle Now I hope this hasn't been a diminution in the sort of energy. I hope this is what people want. I've got quite excited about this. Seems to be a kind of reenergized podcast.

01:01:49.17 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal May and serve the listeners. Thank you so much for all the lovely comments and feedback and messages saying we love the yammering, do we love the energy, the the two of you just going at it.

01:01:51.69 alexei sayle Yeah.

01:02:01.56 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal um Had a really nice message saying um Even though it's so casual and laid back, they still feel the need to concentrate fully. Like they don't, they don't like to do their dishes and listen to this.

01:02:12.31 alexei sayle Right.

01:02:12.60 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal They want to sit down and listen to everyone.

01:02:12.90 alexei sayle nice Okay. Right.

01:02:14.24 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal and I'm like, oh, come on, man, go do your dishes. It's all right. Don't worry. Relax. Um, but yeah, we're, we're giving this a go for the next couple of months, at least every week.

01:02:23.23 alexei sayle All right.

01:02:23.67 Talaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalaltalal Talal and Alexi, Alexian Talal, 100 episodes, the Alexi sale podcast. Uh, all right. Yeah.

01:02:31.47 alexei sayle All right. Bye. Bye.