olympics ===

Regan: [00:00:00] Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Mr. Pick Me and the Man Hater podcast. I am Reagan A. Reagan! Okay, that only makes any sense to the people who listened to the pre show, so thank you for that inside joke. Um, anywho, I stopped doing finger guns. I am the Man Hater, even though I do not hate men. And

Chesko: I'm Chesco.

Regan: Zoom is like, cancelling out your noise, so Pew! Pew! Pew! Pew! That was the most shrill, horrifying noise I've ever heard.

Chesko: Also known as Mr. Pick me.

Regan: Did you say what your name is? I

Chesko: think I said Chesco, didn't I?

Regan: Your guess is as good as mine. I'm not going to gaslight you if I don't know.

Chesko: Thank you for that. I appreciate it.

Chesko: We'll just go with it. Add it in afterwards.

Regan: I'll just do voice for you. And this is Chesco. [00:01:00]

Chesko: That's exactly how I sound. How did you do that?

Regan: I guarantee you the listeners don't know who said what just now.

Chesko: No, ever.

Regan: So, um, speaking of chaotic messes aside from us, I thought it'd be fun to talk about the Olympics, which has been a little

Chesko: nightmare.

Chesko: Theme song. You want bad advice, man. I'll give it out. That might

Regan: be the cleanest one thus far, like of you getting that out. Do you feel good?

Chesko: I feel great.

Regan: Good for you. I feel better than yesterday. We tried to record it my time 10 30 or and you it was 8 8 30 your time.

Chesko: It was like 8 30. Yeah, which so I don't have an excuse. [00:02:00] Really?

Regan: It was the most chaotic pre show we've done thus far.

Regan: We were supposed

Chesko: to record this episode. How long did we record for it?

Regan: An hour.

Chesko: It's an hour and then we talked for an hour afterwards. Well, that could have been an episode.

Regan: Yeah, but it wasn't coherent. That was the problem is we realized quite quickly that we like didn't have the energy or the like competency to get, get an episode out.

Regan: So, um, for, for my listeners. If you're just listening and not watching, I'm in hotel room. I'm out of town for work. Uh, it's been a whole fiasco. Shout out to, um, Marriott hotels for letting me check in early so I could do this podcast. I was worried. I was going to be like in my car, trying to zoom in from my phone.

Chesko: This episode brought to you by not Marriott, because they aren't actually sponsoring us. And

Regan: they did not give us any money. What was the front

Chesko: desk person's name?

Regan: Uh, Melanie.

Chesko: This episode brought to you by Melanie.

Regan: Thank you for your help. I'm [00:03:00] sorry. I have, I was like, I'm known three hours early. Is there any rooms ready?

Regan: Like I was ready to ask if I could go in the janitor's closet.

Chesko: I use a, I love Marriott. Uh, this is going to sound like an actual sponsor. I, uh, I used when I used to run our speech and debate team, uh, I had to put everything on my own personal credit card. Uh, and so, Like you had to get

Regan: reimbursed?

Chesko: Yeah, and it would take six months to get reimbursed, so I'd be paying ridiculous interest rates.

Chesko: It's a whole thing. I'm not gonna get into that right now. But I had, it was the only way the team would function. So I either had to, like, do this so my students could compete, or we would just Not get to go to nationals and stuff. And it was so, so I was like, well, if I'm going to be paying thousands of dollars in interest every year, which literally was like 2, 000 in interest every year, I'd end up paying, I want something out of it.

Chesko: So I got a Marriott card to do it. And so now I'm like a triple platinum member or something. And I get like all the, all the goodies. So what a world traveler. Somebody said to me, like, is that okay? I was like, was it [00:04:00] okay for me to pay 10, 000 in interest? No, I think I deserve this.

Regan: I earned this. Oh my God.

Regan: It's for the children.

Chesko: It was for the children of my mid 20 year old students.

Regan: I don't know. The older I get, the more they seem like children to me.

Chesko: Well, speaking of competitions where, that are not run well, let's talk about the Olympics.

Regan: I already did a segue. I literally already did it. I know, I know.

Chesko: But that was like a good back cause we left, we lost it.

Chesko: We left, we wandered and now we're back. The wildest thing is there's. So much to talk about that. We probably won't get to talk about everything

Regan: I know

Chesko: with this Olympics.

Regan: I don't know if like, I just don't pay attention to the Olympics enough, but I feel like this was the biggest shit show that I've ever seen.

Chesko: And there have been like, there are obviously this controversy every year, but this one felt like just way worse than normal.

Regan: Like, are you trying [00:05:00] to be awful? So let's start off with. One of the most upsetting, I think, controversies that literally wasn't Real and that I hope I hope these people get sued.

Regan: I hope I'm on literally and I've heard she is in the process It's already it's

Chesko: it's been JK Rowling and Elon Musk are both named in the lawsuit.

Regan: I you know, honestly as much as I like celebrate her for getting this, this gold medal. I equally celebrate her as she takes down JK Rowling.

Chesko: She gets

Regan: the gold in my heart.

Regan: She takes down.

Chesko: Yeah.

Regan: We've gotten to the point where literally like public figures and even news outlets are saying false information as fact. And I can't wait. Like, um, I can't remember who got sued, but there was a drag queen who had been litigating against, um, [00:06:00] People who would call her like, um, they would say she was like a child predator.

Regan: They would publicly call her like a predator or a pedophile or whatever. And she started going for them legally. And she's been winning. I'm like, you should do that. That's crazy. What people think they can say.

Chesko: The worst part, but I'm not the word. There's so many worst parts. I can't, I can't. One of them, one of the worst parts of it was like the whole, this clearly had nothing to do with him on, or the competitors.

Chesko: It was all, it was just, here's a great opportunity to bash trans people.

Regan: A hundred percent. It was

Chesko: just, here's a great time to, to really rehash this on a, on a, on an international stage. Yeah. Even though it has nothing to do with them. They, they're watching from home and it's like, Hey, let's spend the next week bashing Bashing trans people.

Regan: I mean, I, I think we've all like anybody who's been keeping an eye on trans issues has had the fear of [00:07:00] like, they're just going to start going for people that don't present femininely enough. That don't look like what they think a woman should be. And I think this is a really excellent case of this. And it's not just Iman that had this happen.

Regan: Like there's been several athletes that are just muscular. Yeah. And they're like, you're a man. And it has gotten so out of hand. So let's, let's look at this. So, Iman Khalif, she's an Algerian boxer. She was in a match with Italy's Angela Carini. Okay? This match lasted 46 seconds. Iman got two punches in before Angela literally surrendered, gave up, and at one point dropped to her knees and started sobbing.

Regan: And this, this whole fight led to this ridiculous, ridiculous, um, [00:08:00] tangent from anti trans people. Even though, by the way, uh, Iman is not trans just for the record, but anti trans people of the far right, just attacking her for being trans. Now, the thing that they were using as their main argument was that Iman and, uh, there's another boxer had quote unquote failed a test.

Regan: Now they were saying it was a chromosome test that was failed. So there were several boxers who. In their match would do that cross their fingers as an X like I'm XX and she's not which now they are unable to even have documentation as to what the test actually was and there is discourse that it may have actually just been they had higher testosterone.

Regan: Which is true of many women, including like, if you have PCOS, [00:09:00] you have higher testosterone. Men can have lower testosterone. And Iman has literally never identified as anything besides a woman. She grew up as a woman. She's biologically a woman. Which is so interesting because I feel like their whole argument has been like, It's biology!

Regan: It's biology!

Chesko: On your birth certificate. That's what you are. And Iman's like, I am.

Regan: And they're like, well, never mind. How do I still do this?

Chesko: Yeah, there was a professor. I remember reading about this years ago. It was like a genetics professor, biology professor, something. They had an activity in their class where they would have, and by the way, we don't know what, if, if, Sweyer syndrome or anything like that, that none of that has ever been proven.

Chesko: That was all just, you know, information that was just started spreading as if it was fact. But there was, but just, just on that note though, there was a professor that did that and would have their students to figure out their own, uh, chromosomes. And they, uh, they said they stopped [00:10:00] doing it because every year or so, there would be a woman in the class that would, that wouldn't understand why they had X, Y.

Chesko: Uh, cause it's more common than people realize that it does happen. And it just, just because that's at the small part of the chromosome that, that relates to, uh, having the, the, uh, development of the sexual organs. Right. And so it happened so much that they stopped doing it because they end up having the these big students going through these giant crises in class Questioning everything about their life and who they are as if that somehow changes anything about

Regan: right?

Regan: Well,

Chesko: they are as a person

Regan: but the thing is like they don't even know that that's true

Chesko: No, and that's the thing

Regan: they were publishing stuff saying she had XY which would make her I think intersex I'm pretty sure I'm not I don't have enough But that's what I'm, that is my understanding. Um, and they don't even know that that's true.

Regan: They have not been able to produce a test.

Chesko: It goes to show how easy, [00:11:00] like foreign misinformation campaigns. And I'm sure America does it in other places as well. I'm not saying it's like, it's the, where are the good guys near the bad guys, but how easy it is to spread. Uh, when you Prey on the hate of people.

Chesko: They're like, you give them a tool that they are like, there's all these people that are already so angry about this thing. Let's throw them this, this easy misinformation and see what happens. And it spreads so bad. I

Regan: mean, it's crazy. Cause she's literally not trans. She is literally not. So they're just making something up.

Regan: And to me, it brings up the bigger issue of like, So like their argument is like fairness and of course, you know, you had angela Like crying i'm like it's it's the olympics for boxing like you're gonna get hit hard Yeah, and also like it's my understanding that she was higher ranked iman was gonna win

Chesko: Like, and she's lost, she lost nine matches before.

Chesko: It's not like it's like, she's this unbeatable [00:12:00] phenom granted. Good for her. She won the gold this time, but it's not like she was unbeatable. Right. Right.

Regan: Well, it's just like, she was, there was no chance Angel was going to win. Like it was predicted she was going to lose.

Chesko: And

Regan: yet like she took two punches and bailed.

Regan: It's like, what? Um, if you're in the olympics for boxing, you're gonna get hit really hard

Chesko: and

Regan: the fact that she used like transphobia and Prejudice to like back her loss and make herself a victim. I thought that was insane and then other boxers were getting in on it and like Iman this whole time took the high road and was like still shaking hands with people who were like, I think one of her next matches, the boxer was like promoting this, like, like, uh, somebody had made an image where Iman looked like a monster demon.

Regan: And she was like, publicly sharing that image and she still treated her opponent with absolute dignity and respect and shook their hand and [00:13:00] so she She's the only one with any grace like and it's just so crazy to me

Chesko: Somebody said they're like, what would she sue for? Why are you acting like it's so bad to say that someone's trans?

Chesko: And it's not it's misgendering. Somebody is the problem, right? It's putting someone's life in danger Knowing no, with no information, right. And, and by putting her life in danger, I mean, meaning she comes from a country where it's literally illegal to have a gender affirming care. And so. There, there's so much that goes into it.

Chesko: It has nothing to do with, there's, there's nothing wrong with being trans. Right. As you were, you respect the gender of people and when you go on this huge witch hunt, for lack of a better term, uh, To, to, to go for, for someone that didn't deserve that. And so the entire focus of her Olympic games where she wins gold should have been this wonderful, fantastic experience ends up being something with her having to defend her identity and who she is.

Regan: Her dad had to come out with baby [00:14:00] photos and photos from her childhood. And I'm like, are you joking? Like, what world do we live in? And like, the main thing is they lie. Like, you cannot lie about someone publicly. Like, that's illegal. And you can be sued for that.

Chesko: Period. It's slander. It's slander. That's what it comes.

Chesko: Yeah.

Regan: And the point of that was a libel or

Chesko: slander. It's one of those two terms, but anyways, or it's slander. If it's spoken, slander, but spoken and libel is if it's written.

Regan: It was both to be honest. You're right.

Chesko: And,

Regan: um, not only were they lying, which just lying in general, you can be super, but the lie was to remove like her ability to compete.

Regan: They were saying she shouldn't have been able to be in the Olympics, which is incredibly detrimental aside from all the other reasons. And the harassment she was getting was insane. Here's the other thing, which I even wrote all this down.

Chesko: Sports

Regan: never ever has been about fairness. There has always been [00:15:00] advantages.

Regan: There has been height advantages. There has been, you know, like, like weight advantages. There's so many things that like people utilize their skill sets and like their natural, they've been given. Speaking of let's look at just within the Olympics and talk about Michael Phelps. Okay. If we want to get up in arms about Iman, okay.

Regan: Do you know all of the things that Michael Phelps has going on that make him like a

Chesko: superhuman? Right. He's, he's a, he's a mutant swimmer.

Regan: Okay. Let me, let me just read them off. Okay. So he is like, abnormally large palms and feet, even for his, for like his height. Okay. His body only produces half the amount of lactic acid.

Regan: which gives him a huge advantage. He has an exceptionally large lung capacity, which for obviously if you're swimming is an advantage. He has an 80 inch wingspan. He's [00:16:00] double jointed in his ankles. His ankles can bend 15 percent more than any of his competitors.

Chesko: All

Regan: of these things make him a superhuman swimmer.

Regan: Did you hear a goddamn word about that? No. No. No. Or people coming out of the wings to be like, Ah! Oh, and like, I think we should also point out that these arguments almost always happen with women who don't present like in the ways that they expect, like with intense femininity, even though like Iman is stunning

Chesko: and it's almost always non white women as well.

Chesko: That's what I

Regan: was going to say.

Chesko: It's

Regan: almost predominantly non white women. It's just That's insane. But like this, you know, superhuman white boy, they're like, Oh, that's fine.

Chesko: Right. Or like a basketball player that's eight feet tall or any of those things, like, it's not fair. Why am I not in the Olympics?

Chesko: Right. Usain Bolt runs too [00:17:00] fast. That's not fair.

Regan: I'd

Chesko: like to,

Regan: because I mean, like, that was like Angela's whole thing was like, she hit me too hard.

Chesko: Mm hmm.

Regan: I'm sorry. Oh no. Like, did you, what did you think would happen in the Olympics when you're in boxing? Is the

Chesko: punching event where one of the best punchers in the world go to punch?

Chesko: You got punched too hard. Literally,

Regan: there's like, isn't there like one from every country? So literally the top boxer, the

Chesko: hardest hitter. Boxing specifically is more fair than the other events because there's weight classes. Yep. Right? It's, it's not even like with swimming, it really is just, you Are you?

Chesko: Anybody

Regan: can get in the pool.

Chesko: Are you? It's just by gender. That's the only thing that differentiates it. Versus boxing, at the end of the day, there is, it's by ounces. There was that other athlete that got, uh, kicked out or got denied her silver medal. Um, because she, it was like something like her, Her weight was five ounces or something above the clay.

Chesko: It was, [00:18:00] it was some, it was somebody posted a picture of the amount of orange slices it would take to, uh, and it was, it's ridiculous, but, but it's. Regardless, I don't know enough about the sport of boxing. It's never been my cup of tea to know how, while that matters. But I do know that those classes are there in order to, uh, to, to make it so that it is a, a, a closer range of people that are competing against each other

Regan: and, um, while, uh, he's right.

Regan: Fighters, you know, were against Iman. Would you like to know who else was in the Olympics, Steven Vandervelde, who is representing. The Netherlands and the Paris Olympics. This is from the Daily Beast. In 2014, a then 19 year old Vandervelde traveled to Britain to meet a 12 year old girl he'd met on Facebook, fully aware of her age.

Regan: In 2016, he pleaded guilty to[00:19:00]

Chesko: And let's check, uh, the notes of how many times any of the people that were yelling about Iman also mentioned him. What's that? Is it zero? Is there zero overlap? It's almost like they didn't care.

Regan: Just to tell you what a dirtbag this guy is, aside from the obvious of his crimes, this article is about how he cried because he was being booed at the Olympics.

Regan: So from this Daily Beast article, through tears he mentioned a British tabloid article which included a picture of his wife. That's when I broke down, VandeVel said, I did something wrong ten years ago. I have to accept that. But hurting people around me, whether it's my teammate, my wife, or my child, that goes too far for me.

Regan: That's definitely a moment where I thought, is this worth it?

Chesko: Here's the thing, with, with so many, Aspects of our life. I believe in second chances. I believe in [00:20:00] growth. I believe I do think there are certain acts though that I'm sorry. You're done. You're done. You don't, there is no coming back from it. And you just, that's part of your punishment for this heinous act that you did.

Chesko: It's not like, Oh, well, I, I was, I stole a loaf of bread because my, to feed my family, this is just a heinous, horrific full victim crime, right? There's no, there's no two ways to look at that. Part of your recompense for it is that the rest of your life, you are going to be, have to pay for it. There is no moving on past that.

Regan: I mean, it's also like you got to go to the Olympics. That's insane. And when people like. Like people were really upset about it and the Olympians was like, well, we don't pick you don't pick who they send and like refuse to intervene. And it's like, like for him to be like, is it even worth it? I'm like, um, how about what you did?

Regan: How about that child who's [00:21:00] life?

Chesko: You

Regan: literally impacted forever, like, like, and for him to bring up like, but don't go for my wife. Don't go for my child. It's like, um, that was somebody's child too. That was a child. It's just, I cannot believe, like, even the fact that he's like, that was 10 years ago. It's like, what does that have to do with anything?

Regan: Like, oh, well, 10 years has passed. Why are you still upset about that? I don't know. Because it's like a horrific crime.

Chesko: Absolutely horrific thing that. People should never stop being upset about it.

Regan: So, if you're in the U. S., a 12 year old is typically in 7th grade.

Chesko: Mm hmm.

Regan: He was 19. And he traveled to see her.

Regan: Yeah. Like, this guy is a predator. Like, and they're like, yeah, go to the Olympics. The fact that he can cry for himself and be like, Well, don't, don't bring my family into this. No, you did. You literally did. You associated yourself with them and like they may, like his wife may like, I could never imagine [00:22:00] being with a man that did that.

Regan: But like, then she also is signing on for your crime

Chesko: and that's your fault. And you're making a choice to go on an, on an international stage also with that in your background. Right? You like, if you, at the end of the day. You can't be surprised that you're going onto this international stage and that people are going to look into your, your past and see your history.

Chesko: Right. I feel like you just, I don't know. I don't know if it's controversial to say that, but I feel like you have to live in shame. You have to be quiet and not do things like you don't get the same privilege. You ruined the other, that little girl's life forever, right? That's forever. She doesn't get to be like to move on past it and be like, well, you know, it was 10 years ago.

Chesko: No, that's fucking forever.

Regan: Yeah.

Chesko: Right.

Regan: I always say that, like, in my opinion, like any crime of that nature, particularly with a child, but like just in general, any type of essay

Chesko: Is a life

Regan: sentence the only way people survive it is to literally like get therapy and like with sheer will [00:23:00] to heal And not be forever Damaged by that like that is it is only through the strength of the victims and if you can't recover from that That's not your fault either.

Regan: But my point is like it's a life sentence. That's my opinion. Like it changes you forever It changes how you think it changes how you see the world And for him to think, well, I served my time. It's like, I don't agree. Actually, you didn't even serve your time, right? You didn't even serve your full time.

Regan: And like, we know, look at like a Brock Turner.

Chesko: We

Regan: know that athletes get lesser sentences, particularly if they're white.

Chesko: White.

Regan: Uh,

Chesko: privileged. It's not, it's not even like it was like a high school senior that was dating a sophomore or something like that. It's not this. You're 19. He's an adult. He's graduated.

Chesko: He's graduated. He's an adult man living in the world. 12 year olds are babies. Like I'm sorry. Like if you look at, you can, there's no one can look at a seventh grader and be like, well, you know, she looks old for old for her age still as a baby. Right. That's [00:24:00] uh, that's so fresh. Like it's when I saw that I was.

Chesko: Absolutely furious as much hate as he thinks he's getting. That's not enough, right? There still needs to be more like the, the, the, the fact that people need to keep talking about it.

Regan: And it's, it's this idea of like his entitlement, like, well, I should be able to go to the Olympics and not hear about my crimes.

Regan: It's like, no, you committed a horrific crime. You should hear about it every single day. Everyone has a right to have an opinion on that. You were convicted of that. Like, it's not up for debate. You pled. There's always that kind of like discourse about, you know, um, false accusations and how serious it is.

Regan: And it's like, yeah, well, apparently you can be convicted of a crime against a child and still compete at the Olympics. So

Chesko: I don't

Regan: really want to hear anybody ever again. Tell me how you, it's like, how, like accusations ruin lives. When actual crimes that are, um, Plead [00:25:00] to

Chesko: don't what apparently does keep you out of the Olympics though.

Chesko: Remember 2020? She carried Richardson had a weed

Regan: weed.

Chesko: Yeah that apparently though Can't do that. Cross the line.

Regan: Legal, legal weed? No.

Chesko: Mm hmm. Absolutely not. A single test. Well, it wasn't, well, she, I don't, there was something going like, like some, a family member passed away or something. It was something that happened.

Chesko: Yeah,

Regan: it was something like

Chesko: that. Yeah, and, and there's zero tolerance policy though.

Regan: And if we're being honest, if anything, it probably held her back. Weed doesn't make you run faster.

Chesko: Right, that's not a performance enhancing drug. It's

Regan: a performance downer.

Chesko: Yeah.

Regan: Have you ever tried to do anything stoned?

Regan: If anything, they should have given her extra. But, uh, that's not the only thing that happened to her. Do

Chesko: you want to

Regan: talk about what happened this year?

Chesko: Moments before Sha'Carri Richardson stepped on the track for the 100 meter semi final, uh, the athlete ran into major obstacles. Sha'Carri, along with Jamaican runner Shelley Ann Fraser Price, were denied entry to a gate that led to the warm up track.

Regan: This is insane, [00:26:00] for so many reasons. The whole thing was because they were not at the Olympic Village. Which also, Stephen wasn't at the Olympic Village, because he was like, Like sequestered somewhere. So questions on that. Um, anyways, but they had already done this process before.

Chesko: They had

Regan: already done this exact same thing.

Regan: And for unknown reasons, the people in control at the Paris Olympics changed the rule. overnight. And when they tried to enter, they were denied access and given the only option of basically like, I think they said they would have had to walk a mile around and not, and like, go through like other people, like, just like, and so not only were they denied access, they were like completely worn out.

Regan: They would have like walked. An entire mile. So like already at a complete disadvantage.

Chesko: Yeah. Cause when you're in a race that's dealing with thousands of [00:27:00] a second and the difference that, that, cause I think I've heard some people make the argument, well, that's their, their world class athletes. What's what is walking a mile.

Chesko: Well, if it makes 01 slower before you run a, uh, a sprint that where, like I said, the birth thousands of a second can determine whether the first through fifth place and it, yeah, it does matter. That does give an advantage to the other athletes.

Regan: Well, especially that they were also denied warmups. Because they were late.

Regan: And

Chesko: that's exactly, yeah.

Regan: And like, warm ups is different than walking. Like, uh, I think Shakiri run, like, ran without warming up.

Chesko: Uh huh.

Regan: Which, not only would that make her probably not perform as well, that's also incredibly dangerous as a runner. Uh

Chesko: huh.

Regan: Like, you can really injure yourself. And like, there were so many, like, I am shocked by the ways the Paris Olympics fucked up.

Regan: Like, honestly. Like, I, there was [00:28:00] even, so, Coco Gauff is a tennis player. And she has dealt with, it's so weird. We keep talking about women of color. It's so strange that these things keep happening. Um, God, it's almost like racism. So it's

Chesko: absurd. It still exists.

Regan: Yeah, I know. It's not just the U S.

Chesko: Uh,

Regan: no, only in certain white people's minds.

Regan: Um, so Coco Gauff is a tennis player and she was in a match. Like historically she has had multiple issues with like judges not calling fair and making bad calls against her. And she has had to advocate for herself in ways that I've not really seen. I've just not seen other athletes have to do. Like, I think probably.

Regan: The Williams sisters had to do it. Um, again, I wonder what the common thread here is. It

Chesko: was like, Serena had to be so much better than everyone else that, that, that it was like, despite all of those [00:29:00] things, it was unstoppable. She had to be literally the greatest tennis player of all time in order to overcome.

Chesko: And there was still, you remember, there were so many times.

Regan: Yeah. So Coco Gauff is getting the same treatment essentially. And what happened at this particular match was that she was like, serving and the, the judge called it out as she was serving, which obviously messed up her serve. And so she like went up to argue against this and it cost her the point and then eventually cost her the match.

Regan: And they literally admitted like, yeah, that was a mess up. We messed up, but they refuse to change anything. They're like, well, it's already done. Sorry. You're right. We messed up, but that's it. And she was like crying. I mean, like I have, this is crazy that I have to constantly fight just to have a fair match.

Regan: And that was it. They were just like, sorry.

Chesko: How is so much, why are we still relying so much on just. Random people, human error judges, like what, why [00:30:00] can't forget AI making art? Can AI call like strikes and baseball? Can it, can AI call the in and out for them? Like, it's so obvious where like the technology, the people watching it on TV can clear no better than the judges half the time, because they're there.

Chesko: We're still forced into this archaic old system where we're not allowed to use the technology that makes it better. That's what I want to see technology being used for. Please. Right? Like, why, why do we have to do it?

Regan: It's bizarre to me that we have it available to us, like, we all can see it, and yet, like, in real time, they're just like, just like, well, I'm gonna use my peepers.

Regan: I'm gonna use the old eyeballs on this one.

Chesko: And that messes up, like, your, the, the mental aspect of sports, too, is huge. Right? And if you're being messed with constantly, that lowers your game. You're not going to be, it's not like it's just, That are two separate things. If you're constantly having to worry about a second set of rules for you, you're physically not going to perform as well.

Chesko: It changes [00:31:00] everything, especially at that highest level. I've never been at that level, right? This is me speaking from, uh, in literally anything, but, uh, you know, what, Hearing from other athletes talking about it, right? They talk about how, when you're at that level, those that you win by those razor thin margins.

Chesko: And so when you are specifically causing, uh, creating rules or, or enforcing rules, I should say. In a way differently for all the competitors, of course, it's not going to be a fair outcome. Of course, it's going to end up being, uh, where people are at a disadvantage. And that's like, of all the places, the Olympic should be the place where that doesn't happen.

Regan: Well, and then you look at like Simone Biles, who they literally, like she, there was a point in which she was, I don't, I feel like it was on the floor, but I'm not positive, but they're just like, no, you can't do that. We can't give you those points here. It's too high. You're too good. Yeah, wasn't

Chesko: it? They had to change the rules because she was too talented.

Regan: I'm like, [00:32:00] it's the Olympics. Like, what do you mean? They're like, you just can't have that many points. You're just too good. And it's like, isn't that the point? Other people

Chesko: can't do that.

Regan: Yeah, that's why it's the gold. Um, well, now that we're,

Chesko: yeah, gymnastics,

Regan: why don't you get on it? Mr. Viral thread, man.

Chesko: Yeah.

Chesko: Well, I, I was, I don't know why this upset me so much. I was when I saw, cause I think part of it was like the, the, the podium with Simone iconic. Jordan Child and, uh, oh gosh, what was the name of the Brazilian? Uh, was it, uh, Rebecca and Andrade? Andrade, I think. Um, the, them on and the, the graciousness of the two of them, like, and it was just this beautiful, iconic moment.

Chesko: There was even talk of people of, uh, I think it was the Louvre putting that picture into, uh, cause it was such a beautiful moment. And [00:33:00] then. Uh, there was already obviously issues that happened to lead up to that moment with Jordan Childs getting her score, the difficulty scored incorrectly, which once again, why is this happening at the Olympics for it and, uh, her putting in the, the, the score challenge, whatever that's called, uh, in there.

Chesko: And then obviously getting the third place. So, and then there was the, the person that is currently now in fifth place, got a phantom out of bounds call. And then she was told she couldn't challenge it. Or something like that. There was some weird thing that happened with that.

Regan: Yeah. I mean, they blatantly, so they said she was out and she just wasn't, it wasn't even close when you look at the footage.

Regan: And that's a crazy thing to me. This system is so broken. The system is like, Oh, we're going to do our thing. If we mess up, not if you mess up, if we mess up, you have to figure out that we've messed [00:34:00] up. Then you have one minute. To figure out we've messed up and then to approach us

Chesko: and tell us we've messed up and normally you have more than a minute It's in for everyone else.

Chesko: It's until the next Routine begins that you can challenge it. But because Jordan Childs went last that was where the why she had the the one minute Challenge, so Romania brings it to the court of arbitration The United Sport Court of Arbitration, whatever it's called. I think it's the Court of Arbitration They've

Regan: been screwed already.

Regan: Like, like they have been, they've already had, that was the phantom call, right? They've already been screwed by the judges. Okay.

Chesko: And they rule that the score challenge was a minute and four seconds. So it was four seconds too late. So not that the, The challenge wasn't correct, right? Because they admit the score was wrong, but the challenge, they said, was four seconds.

Chesko: So they ruled that the medal should go to Anna Barbosu. Uh, correct. Apologies if I'm [00:35:00] pronouncing her name incorrectly. I'm sure you're not. Yeah. Uh, but they say she should get it. Now for the, so she's, but then USA after the court, this ruling goes through, finds video evidence with timestamped, uh, markings showing that they requested it three or two times within that minute.

Chesko: And it was the third time they were requesting the score. That was a minute and four seconds. And the court of arbitration says. Well, there's nothing we could do about it.

Regan: Well, they also made the ruling without any, like they didn't speak to the U. S. Like, they just went off of

Chesko: Yeah, whatever was given to them.

Chesko: And I'm like, the worst part, and Romania apparently did ask, Can both of the competitors get bronzes? Right, and they, and first, but For some reason, no, that that can't happen. Oh,

Regan: no, we can, we can just blatantly get it wrong. We can absolutely be incorrect in our judgments, but we're not doing two bronzes.

Chesko: Yeah. And then when they get it wrong again, And they video [00:36:00] evidence showing that they're wrong. They're like, well, our rules don't allow us to make a, another rule. And I think that all of this though, is screwed up for all three of those gymnasts, right? Like it's not saying I'm not even mad at, uh, the, the Romanian gymnast for, you know, if something was wrong, if they're, they're going for it, but.

Chesko: At this point, if it sticks, if nothing changes, and I am happy, I've heard the United States Olympics committee is saying, telling Jordan not to give back the medal until they're going to fight, they're going to fight it, uh, for, for a while. I think they're fighting

Regan: with discrimination. I think that's coming next.

Regan: Yeah.

Chesko: Right. And if nothing changes, though, if you were, um, on a, uh, from Romania and you knew. Without a, without a doubt, both of the other gymnasts technically were above you, if things had been scored correctly, would you even want the, and this is, like I said, I'm not trying to shame her, it's not her fault, but like, I'm just thinking, like, if, if I was that, that athlete myself, I wouldn't want that bronze, [00:37:00] knowing that the only reason I'm getting it was because of two technicalities.

Regan: Well, that's the thing that was like, You know, we could argue the athletes themselves, but like at the end of the day, everyone got screwed by the system, right? The system is the problem. And so now you have people like hating on all of these athletes

Chesko: who

Regan: did nothing wrong.

Chesko: No, like they performed their hearts out.

Chesko: Yeah.

Regan: And now it's like, you know, there's people mad at the Romanian athletes. There's people mad at Jordan. Like it's, it's, it's. It's so insane because it has nothing to do with them. It's not their fault. And like, before the scoring happened, she literally had already done the full like, with her flag, like march around.

Chesko: And then

Regan: they're like, just kidding. And like, again, obviously, I believe whoever should have gotten it should get it. You know, I think Jordan should keep her medal. That's based on probably bias, but [00:38:00] it's so bad for all of the parties and like the fact that these, these women who have trained their whole lives, who have given incredible performances, the fact that they're now having to battle it out and face like all of this immense pressure from all over the world, everyone telling them they should have it, they shouldn't have it.

Regan: And now are just like fighting to keep whatever they have or get back what they have, you know? Is so insane when it's The Olympics screwed up and there's no repercussions for that

Chesko: because for it's it's and it's like such a layered level of mess It's the judges messed up in the scoring the judges messed up in Accepting the the score challenge the judges messed up in if it was let's say if it was a minute before it wasn't now We have the video but if it was a minute and four seconds On the spot.

Chesko: They should have said, sorry, you're too late. Right? But the second they accept it. And I'm saying this is so I've, I've ran tournaments like competitive college speech and debate tournaments for over a decade, right? When we mess [00:39:00] up and it happens, right? But as judges, as, as the tab room, as the administrators of the tournament, when we mess up, It's never the students we punish, right?

Chesko: We add, we add another person into the final round. If there was someone that we don't take out the person that was already told that they made that final run. When there's a person that should have got a certain score and didn't, we don't retroactively, uh, remove the score from the other person we give out.

Chesko: We've given up bonus first places. We've given up bonus awards for certain things. Cause it was the fault of the administrators. We should not be punishing the competitors who did nothing wrong. And that goes for all three. Of the women that were competing, right? It is not their fault that at the highest level of competition in the world, we can't get our shit together.

Regan: Well, and that's the thing too, is it's like, they're like, we're sticking to it. We're sticking to, we can't give two bronzes or whatever, but it's like, you didn't even follow your own rules. That's why this happened. Like you literally. Failed [00:40:00] you failed repeatedly and now you want to hold this this strong boundary Despite the fact that this is your failure like the failures of who I don't even know who's all in charge of this Uh, can we talk about the other failure that keeps me up at night?

Chesko: And

Regan: that is the sin.

Chesko: Oh, it looked so gross too. You could just see visually, you could just see it looked bad.

Regan: I can't imagine as a swimmer looking at that, just, I mean, it's shit water. Like literally, that's why, that's why there's E. coli in there. So like looking at that and then having to dive in and like, The swimmers were like swallowing water, because that's what happens when you do,

Chesko: especially if you're swimming hard and having to breathe.

Chesko: Yeah, yeah.

Regan: And like, there was one swimmer that was like, I saw and touched things I'm not ready to talk about. Uh, I saw a video of a swimmer who just got out barfing, like, bleh, [00:41:00] bleh, like buckets.

Chesko: I

Regan: think there have been, already been people hospitalized. Because it literally, they were swimming in a Kool Aid infested water and Paris knew it.

Chesko: And also, can you imagine being one of those athletes? No. You know, for the vast majority of them, it's your only, yeah, I know. But for the vast majority of them, it's their only time they'll ever be at the Olympics, right? This is something they've probably trained their entire life up to this point. And then you're, it's either, You swim in this shit water, right?

Chesko: You swim in this open toilet, right? Or you go home for, and all of your work, everything you've done and the promises that were made that you would have a safe place to compete. We're done. And you think about, um, well, I don't, we won't move on past this, but. There was an instance in the Olympics years ago where the, uh, the, the vault, like the, the pommel, I don't know what you call the thing that they jump off of that they flip off of [00:42:00] was like five centimeters too low and everyone kept falling all the, all the gymnasts that were jumping kept falling.

Chesko: Uh, and so they, but they fixed it. And it, but it shows how even just that small change in something just affected it and could have seriously hurt people, uh, from that, just like this, this small change you, but they're going to keep, they're going to jump, even though the athletes are like, well, there's something is, is feels wrong, but I can't just not do it because you expecting, you're hoping for a safe environment to compete in

Regan: everybody there knew it.

Regan: Everybody there knew that water, like the people in Paris were like,

Chesko: don't swim

Regan: here.

Chesko: I

Regan: mean, it's like, they were saying literally things were touching them, like in the water, they were feeling things touching them.

Chesko: Somebody was showing, uh, there was one of the swimmers, one of the divers I think was posting on the sides.

Chesko: You could see literal floating, like it was on, like it was actual feces that was just in the water.

Regan: How did this happen? How did they allow this?

Chesko: I don't, and at a certain point, [00:43:00] you just, you just say, okay, well, we need to go to a local pool or something to do like something to do. They have to have some other backup for that because they, they had to know.

Chesko: That there was a chance that this wouldn't work out.

Regan: I just, why, like, why did they have to do that? Like, what was the, what would they get out of it?

Chesko: It was a visual thing. I guess it was all about the optics of

Regan: they're sick. Like the, the limp, the Olympians were getting ill and like not being able to get, they were several of them had

Chesko: to drop out, right?

Chesko: They

Regan: were hospitalized. There was people that were like chugging soda for some reason. I don't know what. What that means. They were like all taking like extra supplements and vitamins and like doing all this crazy stuff praying to God they didn't get a coli. It's like

Chesko: one of the, uh, one of the U. S.

Chesko: swimmers said he was, uh, I read about this somewhere that for months beforehand, he was doing this. Doing things to expose him to E. coli. Uh, like he was like not washing his hands after he's in the bathroom, like doing sort of things to, I know, [00:44:00] right. But it was, it was one of those things where he was like, all right, they're going to make me swim in this.

Chesko: I need to start building up. I don't even know if that works, but to build up a resistance to it, but he started doing it in order to prepare himself for having to, and that is the most absurd, because Yeah, I gotta sniff my shit. Yeah, I gotta. Oh, it's the, it's disgusting. But like, can you imagine that that was a world class athlete to include like tasting E.

Chesko: coli? We'll just leave it at, we'll say it that way in order to prepare yourself.

Regan: I feel like we know, we know I'm oblivious. And we know I'm naive. We all know this. Anyone who's listening to this is aware at this point, right? I don't think I ever realized like I I thought like athletes were respected at the olympics.

Regan: Like I know we all like Revere them, I think, uh, here, I didn't realize how [00:45:00] little of a shit they give about the athletes, like even the, um, the Olympic village, the beds, the guy who slept outside, your, your, your poor height, you, you, you had been legs off.

Chesko: That's the only reason I couldn't compete at the Olympics.

Regan: That was the one where you were like, I can't do it guys. Sorry. But it's just like, Like, the disrespect, you look at like Sha'Carri and like the Jamaican runner, the disrespect they showed these, like, these are two of the fastest women on earth of being like, you can't come in. Can't come in. Sorry. You can walk a mile if you want.

Regan: Like, I can't, I can't imagine treating someone that way, treating anyone that way, let alone somebody like, Who is the best in the world

Chesko: and

Regan: like the food was apparently really bad. The beds were really bad. Like I, I never knew how badly they were treated.

Chesko: I heard the beds were made that way. I don't know if there's truth or not, but to [00:46:00] discourage people from having sex.

Regan: Is that true?

Chesko: It is.

Regan: I actually know someone who, uh, did, went to the Olympics, was part of a team for, um, it's like a form of sledding. She's going to kill me because I can't remember it. But she was like, Oh, everybody's having sex.

Chesko: That's all that goes on in the Olympic village. You mean a, a gathering of thousands of the most beautiful people on earth, young, beautiful people.

Chesko: Probably unattached because they have been spending their entire life training for these events for many of them in top physical fitness. There's a, there's hooking up that goes on. What?

Regan: That's crazy. I mean, you think of like work trips or like, like, you know, they always like, not me. I don't mean me, but like, you know, like when people do, I'm by myself, don't worry, but like, this is, this is [00:47:00] not, don't worry.

Regan: Uh, but like, you know, people always have affairs, like when they go on conferences and stuff, I've never been on a conference. What, what do I confer about? Um, but like, you think about like that or like camp, like ever, it's like prime for people hooking up. Cause it's like, see you never. Like it was good to spy.

Chesko: There's also a thing that goes with, uh, so have you done competitive stuff before? Have you like sports or anything like that?

Regan: Uh, yeah, I danced.

Chesko: So I'm sure this probably happened to dance competitions. Cause I know it happens in speech and debate where when someone wins something or they're very good at something, it's, they're more attractive.

Chesko: Right. The people has nothing to do with their physical beauty at all. But the, the talent, when someone is talented, they're, they're so attractive. Right. And I, I feel like, I feel it when I was, you know, in those situations as well, there's something about it. Someone that is talented being attractive. More attractive to you.

Chesko: So of course, at the Olympics, when you're [00:48:00] seeing every, the best of the best, everyone's just beautiful in those

Regan: I mean, all of the athletes we've been just mentioned are stunning. Like

Chesko: what did this, was it always this way? Cause I was, I was, my wife and I were having a conversation watching the, uh, the track athletes being introduced.

Chesko: And it was just like, I love that I have this relationship with my wife that we can talk about this though. But like, we, but it was just every single, she's like, are you seeing this? Like the, um, the, I think it was like the hurdles or something, it was, but it was like, it was like, Every single athlete was, could have been a world class supermodel.

Chesko: Men and women, all of them were just absolutely stunning. It's like, do you have to take all of it? I know, couldn't you just be talented and ugly? Come on! We're struggling out here. A little aside on that. So somebody, um, complaint, there was an athlete. I saw him make a video response to it. So, uh, but they, there was somebody complaining about how the, [00:49:00] the athletes are, the, the women specifically are showing off their, that you can see their butts and things and like different.

Chesko: Um, and there was an athlete that responded and, uh, and, and he, it was a guy, but he showed how, when he competed, he was wearing this little like speedo, nothing in the imagination. He was like, he was like you, anybody saying this has never competed at the level that we compete at. If there was a sing, if, if the, the clothing I wore means that I lost 0.

Chesko: 1 seconds or 0. 01 seconds, I wouldn't, I would be wearing something different. He's like, these athletes are wearing what they're wearing nowadays. He was like, there, there used to be some, some issues that they can't, because like even what they, they said, uh, beach volleyball, they're allowed to wear whatever, but they're allowed to wear whatever they want.

Chesko: They're allowed to, there's women that were wearing pants or the, the athletes, they want to wear now they do the past. It wasn't, that was gross. Yeah. He was talking about this year. Yeah. And this is me repeating just like what, what this, the athlete was saying specifically though that if there was, uh, in, in our modern Olympics right now, if the outfit they're wearing was not [00:50:00] what they felt, what they would compete their best number in, they would not be wearing it.

Chesko: Right.

Regan: I had a problem with the volleyball thing that made me mad when they were required

Chesko: to do it. Yeah.

Regan: Stop it. Let them have clothes on. Just stop it. But there's also even the way that they talk about the athletes like Simone Biles. Getting shit about her hair. I'm like, I don't care for hairs on fire.

Chesko: No,

Regan: I don't care what's going on. Like she is the top athlete in the world. Why do you care? Shut

Chesko: up. It's also racism, but her, yeah, her makeup was smudged after jumping. Feet in the air after and doing 25 flips. She has a flyaway after

Regan: she did

Chesko: like

Regan: triple back tuck flip. Like she did something no other human on earth can do.

Chesko: Is if it would be possible for Simone Biles not to be beautiful. I'm

Regan: like, I know she's literally standing. It's like, shut the hell. Well, they did the same. They did the same thing to Gabby Douglas back in the day. [00:51:00] They it's like. Shut up, shut, like, so not only do they have to be the top athlete in the world, but they also have to conform to whatever made up beauty standards you decide at home.

Regan: And then of course, women of color are then expected to like white beauty standards to comply with white beauty standards, which is just like, shut up. Just shut up. Nope. Like, why don't you go out and do flippy flops and see how your hair is. Why don't you go do a cartwheel? If you can't like, it's just

Chesko: because it has not, and also it goes back to what we said, though, they are with all of this stuff.

Chesko: They're still stunning. All of them ever say across the board, and you, I'm sorry, Kevin, you're sitting on your couch at home watching. Do you think you're like, Oh, well, her flyaway, I think she should really consider, you know, doing a popcorn. Oh, that was a terrible flip right there. Like, like, shut up. Right, [00:52:00] who, why, what are you, what are you hoping to accomplish, like critiquing?

Regan: I'm above her.

Chesko: God, that was not her best time.

Regan: Yeah, it's just, it's misogyny, it's racism a lot of the time. Um, You know, we talk about like women have to perform always. And it's like, even at the top level of athleticism, literally the top in the entire world, you have to worry about your hair. Like, can you imagine if they did that with the men? If they were like, Oh, his spiky spikes aren't spiking today.

Regan: We really need to make sure he really should have gotten some frosted tips.

Chesko: They literally never do. There's not even a single comment about a single man competing at the Olympics, how they look other than the, then there might be positive things or something.

Regan: There's the poll Volter that the poll,

Chesko: like that one,

Regan: that's rough.[00:53:00]

Regan: That is,

Chesko: I mean, if you gotta be known for something.

Regan: I don't even want to think about that to be honest with you. That's my nightmare. So I mean,

Chesko: it made me think, I was like, I knew I would have been a good Paul Volter. For

Chesko: anyone wondering, that was me. That was self disparaging. That was not a, I was saying something negative about myself. I have to go now.

Regan: Anyways, um, well, there was, I think it was the swimmers were like an announcer got fired because something was taking longer and he's like, well, you know how women are always with their makeup or something really stupid.

Regan: And you're just like, shut

Chesko: up.

Regan: There's so many commentators that you're just like, shut up, stop

Chesko: it. Can you imagine if like, we did that for in other workplaces also, and we, we do, they, it [00:54:00] does happen. I want to be clear. We do do that in other workplaces, but like, if it was broadcast, I'm thinking of like, Oh yeah. Like, you know, Oh, Mrs.

Chesko: Chesko clearly must've had a rough morning getting ready for teaching second grade. If my wife doesn't teach second grade.

Regan: Oh, Regan's going up to the water cooler. It looks like she had a rough night. Those under eyes are really dark.

Chesko: Somebody might want to give her a makeup refresh before going to that business meeting.

Regan: I love that you think I'd be in a business meeting.

Chesko: Business, business, business, business, business,

Regan: business.

Chesko: You mean you're not in a, a high, high corporate setting constantly? That's not your.

Regan: No. Can I give, can I give you guys a little exclusive, um, you know, last week we had Frazz on and I was at one of my work things and I work with a lot of men who, um, don't align with my viewpoints.

Regan: Should we say that? [00:55:00]

Chesko: Okay.

Regan: We'll say that

Chesko: really liberal then.

Regan: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I was sitting down with one of them and, um, we're just eating and I don't remember how I started talking about it. I was like, Oh, we just did this. Cause the like asked about my life. And I was like, Oh yeah, we just did this podcast. And, um, I was like, Oh yeah, we had this, you know, my, I think I called her my friend for as I hope you're my friend.

Regan: Um, yeah. But I was like, oh yeah, my friend, um, we had her on and like, she, she does this content where she, she does like this gentle parenting and like, it's so crazy how people get offended. And he literally goes, he's like, oh my God, that reminds me of this one chick. She does this, this gentle parenting bullshit.

Regan: He's like, I hate it so much. And I was like, it's frass. Is it frass? Is that who you're talking about? A hundred percent. It was, he pulled it up and it was her. And I was like, It's a joke. Like you get that it's a bit right. And he's like, it's a bit. I was like, [00:56:00] yeah, it's a joke. She's gentle. Like that's her whole thing.

Regan: And I was like, also everything she does, like almost everything is a request. Like if she, she was asked to do those things and he was like, Oh, like they don't even take a second to think about it. Cause I'm like, she doesn't, do you think she talks like that all the time?

Chesko: Yeah.

Regan: Okay. Friends. I, do you want to go on a date tonight?

Regan: I'm thinking we should go to the Olive Garden. No, no one talks like that.

Chesko: Um, when I, when I meet people and it comes up that I do content creation or a podcast, there was, cause they always will ask, Oh, what do you, what are you talking

Regan: about? That's my favorite. They go, what's it called? I'm like, um, Mr. Pick me in the man, hater and or F the nice guy.

Chesko: How do you react? And either one of yours. Yeah. In the inside, I'm like, Oh, I wasn't going to go there with you, but here we go, there's, I don't get it because it's people that I don't care enough about to, [00:57:00] to care if we were probably never going to interact again, I don't want to have to deal with, I

Regan: don't care about you.

Chesko: You know, there's, there's, there's nothing, it's, it's, there's no consequences here. Why am I going to have to deal with you hearing stuff that you have?

Regan: So, so I, I, we figure out we're talking about the same person, right? And then I get him to, I'm like, okay. So then I'm like, let's break this down. I'm like, why are you so mad about it?

Regan: Like, honestly, why are you so mad? And he's like, I don't know. It just feels like she's like talking down to me. And I'm like, it got you. It's a skit. It gets you that upset. Like, and I'm in that moment I had the realization, I'm like. Oh, you don't get talked down to

Chesko: because

Regan: I get talked down to all the time.

Regan: I get mansplained, like, just like, um, not so much anymore, but back in the day, especially when I worked at an agency, like it was constant and it's like, I mean, it's just with being gay, you know, people say stupid shit to you. It's like, Oh, this is so abnormal [00:58:00] to you that it makes you furious. Because if you were inundated with that, like most people are, this would maybe be annoying.

Regan: But it wouldn't be outraging. And I was like, Oh, that's what it is. It's that this may be one of your first experiences being talked down to

Chesko: people don't challenge them on it either because they know. And it's, I I'm guilty. I just said I was guilty. But when I talked about it, I'm like, I'm going to tell you about my podcast where it can be exhausting to have to constantly correct.

Chesko: But I do it All the time on online, when a perfect example, what we're talking about today, I posted, I made a thread about Iman, uh, about, about all that was going on with it. And the, I got, I'm not joking, probably a hundred plus DMS from people parroting the incorrect information. And I just, at a certain point, I just had a copy and paste response that I'd send back.

Chesko: And there were quite a few that actually apologized and were, were, were. More than I expected because it almost never comes back to that. We're like, it's, it's almost like, [00:59:00] but the amount, I went back and forth with several people for a while, like literally just showing them all, all while their information was wrong and fake and sourcing it and even giving them like articles and everything.

Chesko: And they're like, no, you're like, one woman was claiming, she was like, There was an interview with her father where he admitted that she was born a boy. I'm like, that did not happen. Like nothing, wherever you're watching, whatever doctored video with fake captions, you're watching. Yeah. And it's. Oh, it

Regan: probably was fake captions.

Regan: Cause the interviews were in a different work. Yeah. Okay.

Chesko: And so, but, but I would go back and forth and no matter what I said, they, they, it, it goes to show it's like, it's, it's, they're not challenged and it doesn't even matter if you do challenge them because they want, they've already decided the lie is what they want to believe.

Chesko: And at that point, the truth doesn't matter. At that point, they have decided this is, this is my world. This is what I've decided is the more comfortable truth for me, even if it's not based in reality. And I don't care what you say. If you keep [01:00:00] responding, I'm just going to block you. And then, and a bunch of them did end up blocking me for, but I think it's important for us to, you know, as much as it does take time to, and I don't always have any time to do it.

Chesko: I had, I had, I was grading paper, so I had time to kind of flip back and forth and do it. But when you do have the time to challenge people, when they say stuff like that, if it's safe to do so. And I, for me as a six foot five man, right. Six foot five.

Regan: Okay.

Chesko: Right. Uh, but it is like, and in real life, I I'm, it is a much safer existence for me to challenge people that are spouting off bigoted beliefs, knowing that I, you know, I've, I'm a tenured professor.

Chesko: I have job security where I don't have to worry about, uh, I am because of those certain privileges that in my life, it's important to speak out and call those stuff, even though it's harder, even though it's technically not my job. Well, whose job is it? It shouldn't be the job of the people that are being harmed.

Chesko: We have to call out these people. We have to, or I'll say nobody will. And then, and it gets to the point because some of them will change. Some of them are. Just [01:01:00] simply victims of misinformation. There are people out there that just, they don't even realize that they've been sheltered from the truth.

Chesko: They're just hearing others. So many people in their social circle saying it, that it must be true, even though they're just all repeating and sharing the exact same manufactured. The red or tweet or whatever it is that, that had no factual backing behind it.

Regan: Luckily listeners, I don't think. That's you all.

Regan: So,

Chesko: no. Hopefully not. We love, you all have special places in our, how does, how does Gen Z do the heart? Is it like the, it's something. Yeah,

Regan: it's like

Chesko: this. This is a

Regan: podcast

Chesko: though,

Regan: so.

Chesko: Oh, if you all can listen to how I'm doing the heart, I'm doing the uh.

Regan: The fingers and the, the three fingers up.

Chesko: How do you do it?

Chesko: Do you do the, do you do it this, the old way? Yeah. My heart looks so bad. I'm looking at it anyways. Great audio. Watch us on YouTube.

Regan: And, listeners, join our Patreon where we do a pre show every single week. [01:02:00] Chesco still maintains that the, it might be better than our actual podcast. I

Chesko: am positive it's better than, cause it's so nonsensical and just random and it's, if we didn't share so much personal stuff on there, I would, I would want to release it as a second podcast because it's, it's become so fun.

Regan: It's, yeah, it's. It's definitely slowly but surely turned into like therapy.

Chesko: If you want to see Rick and I publicly therapizing each other. Talk about trauma. Yeah. Sharing our trauma with each other, which apparently, and it's apparently never ending because there's so much we haven't shared with each other.

Regan: My favorite is we'll tell a story, this has happened to both of us, we'll tell a story and the other one's like, Ooh, Ooh, that's, that's trauma. That's actually bad. You're like, Oh, is it? I thought that

Chesko: was a funny story. I thought that was meant to be a ha ha. It was a joke.

Regan: That happens to me all the time. I tell a story, people are like, oh, oh, are you okay?

Regan: I'm [01:03:00] like, no, you laugh here. This is the laugh. I'm pretty good at selling a story though. I could probably tell you some traumatic things. You're like, oh, wait, are you good?

Chesko: One of my favorite instances of this is like early on in our marriage. We, my two best friends, um, we all have very similar backgrounds.

Chesko: We're very traumatic, but, and we were all drinking in the kitchen and, uh, having a contest over who had the worst father. And we were sharing, you know, Pretty. And we're laughing so hard. We're like, we're like out of breath. And the, apparently the other room of people was just, yeah, it was literally everyone's just like whispering, like, should we say something?

Chesko: Do we need to call someone? We need to call. And it was, and we were having the time of our life.

Regan: That was, that was like when Kate and I on my, on F the nice guy, uh, we, we did this one that was like worst things the men have ever done to us. I'm telling you, you're [01:04:00] laughing so hard, other than after I was like, Oh, that's

Chesko: bad.

Regan: That's trauma. And that's trauma.

Chesko: Yeah. And that's, and that's on trauma. This episode brought to you by trauma.

Regan: Every episode trauma. All right, friends. Well, thank you so much for joining us as always. Remember to check out the Patreon, as we said, also, if you leave us a review, that's very helpful to us.

Chesko: F the nice guy.

Chesko: Nope, wrong podcast on that one. Oh, that's the other one.

Regan: But also, yes, also check that out. But also, also, I, that I believe across all platforms.

Chesko: I'm sure we also left out like a ton of stuff at the Olympics. Oh, there's not enough time in the day. We've been talking for like an hour and a half already.

Regan: I don't want to edit eight hours.

Regan: But thanks for listening and we will see you next week.

Chesko: Bye. I love you.