Camden Bernatz (00:00:02) - Welcome to brands and campaigns, the stories and people behind clever marketing moves powered by EKR. I'm your host, Camden Bernatz, creative director and head of brand strategy at EKR. Welcome back for part two of our discussion about the KFC Canada campaign related to the Stanley Cup and the Edmonton Oilers. We had our guests on last time talking about how the work came to be, and today I'm joined by our very own Adam Castar, who is our podcast producer, who's been helping us a lot. One of our producers here. So, Adam, you were obviously not only involved in this last episode, but a lot of episodes, so you were front row seat to the conversation. Thanks for joining us today to get some of your perspective.
Adam Castar (00:00:45) - Thanks, Camden. Always fun to join and talk about sports. And, you know, this is really fresh in my mind, not just because we recorded yesterday, as we're recording this, but also because as we're recording this, the Stanley Cup final just ended on Monday.
Camden Bernatz (00:01:03) - Yeah. So are you a hockey fan?
Adam Castar (00:01:05) - Yes. I'm a big, New York Rangers fan. So they got eliminated in the Eastern Conference final by the, eventual Stanley Cup champion Florida Panthers. So.
Camden Bernatz (00:01:13) - So are you the type that then roots for the team that beat your team, or then you root for anybody else. But then because they beat your team, how do you who would you want to win the Cup?
Adam Castar (00:01:22) - it's tough because I really honestly before I was like, well, you know, it probably feels better that like we lost to the best team. But then when Everton was coming back, so they didn't really talk about this because it wasn't really relevant. But, the series had a potential to be historic because the Florida Panthers were up three zero in the best of seven, and Everton forced a game seven that won three straight games, which is the first time that this has happened in the Stanley Cup Final since 1945. Wow. and like usually. Yeah. And really in the entire NHL playoffs, it's only happened like where a team has come all the way back from three.
Adam Castar (00:02:03) - Nothing down in the best of seven series. It's only happened I think four times, in history. And like it's only happened once in baseball, which was the, Yankees and Red Sox, the oh four Red Sox. And that's never happened in football or in, basketball ever in the basketball playoffs.
Camden Bernatz (00:02:21) - So change of pace. This is going to be a sports statistics episode with Adam, our resident sports statistician here. So that's good.
Adam Castar (00:02:29) - Well.
Camden Bernatz (00:02:30) - They know it's a good thing.
Adam Castar (00:02:31) - They were hanging. They were hammering it like the entire broadcast where it's like, this has never happened before, you know, or like, this hasn't happened since World War two. You know, this is this is crazy historic that this is going on. But yeah, it's really cool.
Camden Bernatz (00:02:44) - Yeah. And and Jesse and Gerardo, our guest last time mentioned that, like, they had plans for they called it the finale. Like, if they would have won. And how much more awesome would this campaign have been able to extend by saying like, look like we I mean, obviously tongue in cheek a little bit, but like the good vibes that we created with our ads helped push them through.
Camden Bernatz (00:03:03) - I don't know, did you listening to them, they didn't want to get into details, but any ideas of what a good follow up would have been if they would have actually won the Cup?
Adam Castar (00:03:12) - Oh man. Well, there are a lot of different angles that they could have gone with, because it would have been the first time that a Canadian team has won the Stanley Cup, as they mentioned in, I guess it would be 31 years since my beloved New York Rangers won in 1994, and then the Montreal Canadiens won in 1993, and they were the last Canadian team to win the Stanley Cup. And so they could have done that sort of angle with it. They could have just talked about Edmonton winning. I think it would be their sixth Cup because the one four with Gretzky and the one with Messi and then. Yeah, something like that. Or they could have done the what the sports fan calls the reverse sweep, which is being up three zero and then losing four straight games. So they could have gone a bunch of different directions.
Adam Castar (00:03:59) - And I think it depends on the brand, because I feel like if it was like Wendy's or something, a brand that's more like kind of aggressive, you know, troll like trolling, they could have like, you know, poked fun a little bit at Florida for having this, like historic basically choke job. hypothetically. Or they could have just been like, oh, congratulations to, you know, Edmonton the Stanley Cup is going back to Canada. You know, that sort of thing. So, I would have been interested. I understand why they probably wouldn't want to share that, but it would have been kind of cool to know what they had planned.
Camden Bernatz (00:04:34) - Yeah. Yeah. It's I'm kind of bummed out about that but speculation it's fun to do so. Yeah. So when you I want to again just talk about the whole episode from a high level perspective. They, they shared a lot of, insight on. And again, for listeners, if you, if you're if you're still listening but haven't listened to the first episode, go back and listen to my episode with with Gerardo and Jesse on how this campaign came to be the one right before this.
Camden Bernatz (00:04:58) - But Adam, when you were listening to their conversation, did anything just kind of high level takeaways, anything, stand out as being either interesting or something that you saw a little differently? Or any overall thoughts about how this creative work came to be?
Adam Castar (00:05:11) - Well, I think it's kind of cool that like the 90s and late or really the late 80s, early 90s has kind of come back in style where we saw it with a lot of Super Bowl ads like the past couple of years. I know that you talked about that in February, about the Super Bowl ads, but, you know, a lot of like nostalgia for that time where people are like, you know, looking fondly on it. and it's kind of cool that like, it's funny that the similarities also between this campaign and the other campaign that we interviewed people from Courage Format and Tommy with KitKat, where it was kind of similar, where they kind of like found this thing and it was kind of like, it wasn't like they didn't meet in January.
Adam Castar (00:05:59) - And we're like, okay, so we're going to do this campaign based on AI for KitKat, or we're going to do, yeah, this campaign for the Oilers, because they had no idea that the Oilers were going to be in the Stanley Cup final. So pivoting and being able to get this campaign running as fast as they did and as timely as it was, I think that was really cool.
Camden Bernatz (00:06:20) - Yeah, it's all about flexibility and being nimble. Like it's it's hard to there's pros and cons to both approaches of of planning out marketing. And by both approaches I mean you can you can feel secure as a, as a brand that works with an agency by having like, like, say, an annual plan, you know, when you're going to run things, you have your media bias planned out, you have your budgets far in advance. That's nice for a lot of reasons. But if you're too stuck to that, aren't reevaluating currently or regularly what current things are happening or opportunities to jump on something, or new ideas that come up that might either break the plan or add to the plan.
Camden Bernatz (00:06:55) - Then you're missing out on opportunities like this, right? Like you said, you couldn't have planned for this, you know, a year in advance. And so there's I'm not saying one is necessarily better than the other. I'm not saying you should have no plan in going in like you should just say every day you get it to your client and say, what are we going to do today? Like that's not the that's not the solution. But there needs to be some flexibility within your long term plan to say, hey, we're going to be able to act in the moment and have new ideas, keep coming your way and new opportunities. And easier said than done if you have limited budgets, obviously, and KFC and Canada obviously is probably doing pretty well. But anyways, yeah, that's something that stood out to me is thinking about our relationship with our clients. We often try to put together plans in advance. They can approve and, you know, get budget approved and whatnot. But I want to make sure we're not helping.
Camden Bernatz (00:07:41) - We're not we're not missing out on those opportunities that happen in the moment, you know?
Adam Castar (00:07:45) - Yeah. And I feel like, a running theme, as I've been listening and editing to a lot of these episodes of brands and campaigns, I feel like the if there was a running theme from this podcast, it's that, is the relationship between a marketing agency and their client and the importance of having that great relationship, that trusting relationship, to be able to kind of pitch these out of the box ideas, these like kind of unplanned things and have the client be like, listen, this is weird, but I trust you to be able to get to actually make it look good and sound good and be successful. Like, I feel like it's not something. If there were like if they had like just signed with KFC, maybe like a month beforehand, I don't think they would be comfortable to, pitch something like this where it's like kind of creative outside the box. But since they have that kind of relationship with them, I think it really helps.
Camden Bernatz (00:08:48) - And it shows. I think it shows from the agency, from courage. It shows a true commitment to just giving what the best idea would be, whether or not it fits within a mold. And by that I mean they are running old ads like, yeah, they added some like, you know, the end car that said, like, we're running this for good vibes. And they added a little bit of additional stuff, but for the most part, a team that usually creates the content was saying, let's not even use us to create the content, let's go, like almost cutting ourselves out of the process because this is going to be good and impactful in an effective way. Whereas it could have been like, no, we'll use us and make some cool, new flashy campaign that wouldn't have been as effective in this case. And so it wasn't thinking about the net, it wasn't being stuck to the process. Okay, you have an idea. Let's get our copywriters and designers in a room and put together a plan that we have to build out.
Camden Bernatz (00:09:36) - It was thinking, what would be cool? Here's a good idea. Let's go find they were they were digging through boxes of like VHS tapes and stuff. And so yeah, easier said than done. The process isn't always laid out when you do that, but you can get the best stuff out. Yeah, for.
Adam Castar (00:09:50) - Sure I can. I would love to be a fly on the wall. As they were watching through all those old, commercials from the 90s. And, I know that every once in a while, because I'm a big video game hobbyist, I love playing video games, and every once in a while you see, like, old video game commercials and stuff like that and you're like, man, it is just such a different time. Back then, it was just so weird and edgy and stuff like that. And the visual style is so distinct, you know, you like, know instantly, like that's from the 90s or the late 80s or whatever. And I think that that was really cool and they really nailed that.
Adam Castar (00:10:30) - I mean, it was older footage, but I know that there was something that they talked about when they recorded where they're like, they tried to touch it up a little bit and they're like, no, this is too good. I think it's what they said where it's like it's too like modern. Like they're going across the line to be more modern, when really it should be more like bad 90s, quote unquote. as opposed to something that looks more like Crispr or smoother Crispr.
Camden Bernatz (00:10:57) - Like crispy chicken.
Adam Castar (00:10:59) - That was not intentional, but I love it. Yeah.
Camden Bernatz (00:11:03) - I was I've been trying to think again. We only have the conversation with them yesterday at the moment that we're recording this. But I was trying to think like, okay, so obviously it's a bummer that the Oilers didn't win from their perspective because they wanted to do something with that after the fact. But now that okay happened and they didn't win. Is there some way you could still kind of follow up or build upon his message or be like.
Camden Bernatz (00:11:26) - I don't know, is it better to just let it die and disappear now, or is there some way you could then a response to the fact that it didn't happen this year? I don't know, I just think that. Any thoughts on that?
Adam Castar (00:11:37) - It's interesting. I don't know, I feel like you're probably off the top of my head. I can't really think of one thing that or anything they could have really done, because the whole thing was about there being superstitious, because Connor McDavid was being superstitious. And hockey players, athletes in general, are known for being really superstitious. There's one I think it's Tyler Seguin who plays for the Dallas Stars. But one of his superstitions is he has to be the last person off the ice after warmups. And he would like there was one time where there was another player with the same superstition and they were having like a standoff, and they played like rock, paper, scissors to see who would go off the ice last, and actually fulfilled the superstition. So I think, it's really cool.
Adam Castar (00:12:21) - This is really answer your question. I don't really know what they could have done in response to, Edmonton losing in game. And at the.
Camden Bernatz (00:12:29) - Same time, it's like, well, we think about that from a marketing perspective. They're not the team, right? They're not they're not at you want to put yourself too much in the conversation where it's like, yo, KFC, chill. Like you're not the Oilers. We're not talking about you as much like you want to. You want to force yourself too much in the conversation where I think they did a good job initially just adding themselves in a nice, tasteful way that it could be part of the the support for their team. Maybe it's maybe it's not a good time to just kind of try to put yourself into when people are bummed and you're like, oh yeah, get your chicken out of my face. I don't know.
Adam Castar (00:12:59) - It's a it's a good point because, yeah, people are like heartbroken that they saw it like they were. I don't know if you watched game seven, but they were like, there was a couple times where they were like inches.
Adam Castar (00:13:10) - They were so close to scoring the tying goal and like, I don't know, I feel like if if I'm in that moment, well, I can actually go back to something from ten years ago. So the Rangers were in the Stanley Cup against the Los Angeles Kings there in the Stanley Cup final, and they lost in double overtime. Heartbreaking, heartbreaking, heartbreaking. I was like, I remember exactly where I was. I was sitting on my couch in my basement and my parents house almost crying. If there was.
Camden Bernatz (00:13:40) - Almost crying, you were crying?
Adam Castar (00:13:42) - Probably, but if I had, I wasn't even on Twitter. But if I was on Twitter at the time and I saw like, like Chase, it's like a I think it's a partner of the New York Rangers. And if Chase was like, oh, we're offering, you know, these new, these cool interest rates for their bank or something like that. I don't know if there's a comparable, but if I saw that, I was like, right, now you have to do this Like.
Camden Bernatz (00:14:09) - It just feels awesome. Corporate again instead of like kind of it's still.
Adam Castar (00:14:12) - Fresh, the wound is still fresh. And yes, it does still feel corporate. It's kind of like that meme where it's like there's this trend and then like once a brand takes over it, everybody's like, this sucks. Now it's not cool anymore.
Camden Bernatz (00:14:22) - Yep. That's funny. Yeah, I totally get that. So I also want to kind of get like I said before, you've you've been involved in a lot of these different episodes we've done over the duration of this podcast. Looking back over the ones that you're familiar with and you can have in top of mind, is there any, campaigns or brand effort or any of these different projects we've talked about that stands out to you as like your favorite or anything that you that has has been more notable to you than others?
Adam Castar (00:14:50) - Oh, that's a good question because there are a lot of really great ones. The it was kind of interesting, learning about the behind the scenes of the Starburst, the berries and cream.
Adam Castar (00:15:01) - Yeah. Commercial from, Winslow. He was great. Like learning about how, like, the the kick was like the funniest thing, how the kick was ad libbed and, like, they didn't want it because it was going to be like, I don't know, that was kind of interesting. the Oreo episode with, Mike Nuzzo. Yeah. Where? And like, I remember that's another one of those, things that I, I don't remember the Oreo tweet necessarily, because I don't think I was on Twitter at that point either. But I do remember, obviously the blackout and everything, everybody was like, what's going on? And like as I was editing that I was there was like one day during lunch, I was like, you know, I'm going to rewatch the highlights of that Super Bowl because I want to like, you know, see what was going on. Like remembering where the when the blackout was. But yeah, those two, it's hard to pick favorites. I don't want to seem like biased or anything, but.
Camden Bernatz (00:15:58) - That's right. Yeah, those are some. You like the sports ones? It's all good.
Adam Castar (00:16:03) - I do like the sports ones and Starburst, but yeah, it's.
Camden Bernatz (00:16:07) - Yeah, a lot, a lot like you said before, a lot of you said a theme has kind of been the the benefit of having a good relationship with client and, and agency or brand and agency. And I think that a subtheme of that or a result of that relationship is being able to be nimble in the moment. A lot of these were examples of things like the Oreo, like this one, like a KitKat with the eye, where it wasn't something that was a long term build up, an advanced project. It was, hey, this is happening right now. Here's kind of an idea or a little discovery I made, or a thought I had after I woke up in the morning or. And that's, you know, when inspiration strikes to be able to say, here's our idea, here's our plan, and be able to move fast and not have things be a lot of I think good ideas die through the too many layers of critique and approval and waiting for someone else to give their input and blah, blah blah.
Camden Bernatz (00:16:58) - And I'm not saying we should go fly by the seat of our pants in all aspects and not have any kind of oversight from when it comes to our, you know, brands and clients approving what we do as an agency workers. But there's got to be some level of flexibility and quick action if you really want to make things that are timely and relevant. And anyways, yeah, I'm repeating myself now from what I've been saying the last couple episodes, but I think you're right in that that being a kind of a theme throughout.
Adam Castar (00:17:24) - Yeah. And like, it really does, it lets you take risks. like I know that talking about our agency relic and EKR, you know, we work with on the, the relic side of our business works with Visit Myrtle Beach and we are able to kind of or even like visit Beaufort, Port Royal and the Sea Islands like those Dmos were willing to kind of go to them and be like, hey, are you interested in trying this thing? Because we have built up that relationship with, the people that work there where they're like, we're like, if if relic pitches us something, we know that they're not going to lead us astray, basically.
Adam Castar (00:18:10) - And I think that that's something that is really cool and something that a lot of agencies, you know, should strive for, to have that sort of relationship where they can, that partnership, where they can trade ideas back and forth. How do you think.
Camden Bernatz (00:18:24) - You get there? Because it's like it's kind of chicken in the egg situation where if you've shown someone that you can operate and have drive success with that trust, then they trust you more. But how do you get the first time that they, like are willing to do this kind of what's the word like riskier, I guess I don't wanna say risky because that sounds more heavier than I mean, but like just not traditional stuff. Like, how do you how do you get that trust? Do you think that's a good question?
Adam Castar (00:18:47) - Because that's really that's the million dollar question, I think, is that people could be listening to this like, well, thanks, Adam. You know, no duh that we need a good relationship with our agency to have good campaigns.
Adam Castar (00:19:02) - But I think that really, it's just consistently doing good work and kind of proving ourselves more or less like. I think that it's not something that you could just, like in the first month or two of working together, you can be like, oh, we want to do this crazy outside the box thing and like, wait, what? What? We didn't even know. Like what? You guys, I think it's like knowing the kind of work that they do. Maybe even, like knowing if it's in your wheelhouse or not, or if it's in their wheelhouse, or even also knowing the client enough, like their personality being like, you know, we had Stuart Butler on from Visit Myrtle Beach and like, if we want to pitch him something, it's like, Will Stewart go for? This is something that we kind of think about or like. Will rob Wells from Visit Beaufort? go for this. You know, it's like not pitching them everything that they know that you, like, think, oh, will they will they just shoot this down immediately? That's the other part of it is kind of knowing your audience, so to speak.
Camden Bernatz (00:20:04) - That trust in comes. But if if you can show that you know them. And I don't just mean as a person, but them as an organization, as a brand and show. Yeah, they really get who we are. Then there's way more willingness to take risk or try things or to go with your ideas because you know that they at least understand who you are and the brand, and it's going to be on brand. And so if you either demonstrate. So I my goal with this podcast is kind of twofold, I guess if you're listening to this as a agency or someone who fulfills on marketing, freelance or whatever or inhouse team, this is a guess that the call to action is to make sure that you are gaining that trust from your clients and making sure you have the relationship. But if you're on the client side, it is hopefully showing evidence of the benefit of taking some of those risks and letting the creatives that work for you and with you do things that are outside the box and and you can have an Oreo situation or a cat eye situation, or this KFC Canada situation, which is timely and didn't have a lot of time of didn't have a lot of time for like careful, prolonged critique and review and things like that.
Camden Bernatz (00:21:12) - And so whichever side you're on, these are examples of success stories that worked well, that were clever, that made headlines, that that had earned media after the fact, things like that. So whichever side you're on, let's help make this happen more often, as opposed to things that are just too safe, forgotten, boring, ineffective, or that just die on the on the vine because they were it took too long or things got over review to where it's, you know, a shell of what it was going to be. And that's my little soapbox speech, I guess, for this episode. But hopefully people are getting that from this content.
Adam Castar (00:21:46) - Yeah, and stuff that kind of blurs the line between entertainment and advertising, which is something that you brought up in this episode, I'm pretty sure. And then also another episode that we recorded yesterday that was probably going to be going out in August or something like that, where people don't want to watch ads anymore. They're like traditional come by our stuff ads.
Adam Castar (00:22:11) - and they're like, sick of it, you know? They're like, get this out of my face. I'm going to add an ad blocker, like even. And it's ironic because we work at an advertising agency, and I always kind of like, sigh. Whenever I'm listening to a podcast and like a Spotify ad comes up and it's not for something and it's for something that I wouldn’t
Camden Bernatz (00:22:31) - How dare you.
Adam Castar (00:22:33) - But, Yeah, but if it's like, something that's more. I know that this is more, I think, used in newspapers and print journalism or print, but like native advertising, where it's something that looks that's like content, but it's advertising. I think that's kind of the the future of this where people are going to want to, where people want stuff that's more subtle because they're kind of like it's fatigue. It's advertising fatigue where you see ads everywhere. Nowadays.
Camden Bernatz (00:23:04) - I feel like we need to and this has kind of been an effort with our agency internally. We've been trying to kind of redefine what advertising is and even redefine, but remind people what advertising means, because advertising is just as a general noun, is descriptive of just getting people's attention on behalf of your brand, often because all these different little pop ups and direct conversion like buy now, buy one, get one, like click here.
Camden Bernatz (00:23:31) - All this stuff that happens so often, those types of things have just kind of been called that's ads, that's advertising. And we forget that like, you know, the feature length documentary that is sponsored by a certain brand is advertising for that brand or that the an engaging social media feed from, you know, liquid death, for example, I just saw yesterday 3.5 million followers on Instagram for a company that sells water that's advertising, even though it's not necessarily quote unquote ads where we've been calling them lately. So, yeah, I think the effort we've been trying to make internally in our agency, with our clients and and with the industry is no, people don't hate ads. They just hate bad advertising. And so and they often call ads with a negative tone because they just are referring to the bad stuff. But there's all kinds of things that people would choose to engage with that will laugh about, that will share, that will be inspired by what doesn't necessarily fit into the exact, you know, banner on the side of your website that tries to entice you to click, click bait type stuff like, yeah, that's that's a type of ad and those are bad ads.
Camden Bernatz (00:24:36) - But people I don't think hate advertising. They hate bad ads.
Adam Castar (00:24:40) - Yeah, I think that's that's definitely true.
Adam Castar (00:24:42) - Yeah. Okay.
Camden Bernatz (00:24:44) - Any more wisdom, any more insight from you?
Adam Castar (00:24:47) - I don't.
Adam Castar (00:24:47) - I don't think so. I thought it was a really cool campaign. I mean, anything with sports kind of, like, reels me in, so. Yeah. I think that that was really cool that they were able to kind of get that idea out there and come up with this kind of on the fly, because really it is time sensitive. And they really were this wasn't something that you could like. Oh, well, let me mull this over. Let me sleep on this or like let me I'll get back to you on Monday. It's like, no, the games are happening right now. There's no like they were.
Camden Bernatz (00:25:18) - Almost too late. Like the game the Stanley Cup Finals had started. But when they were starting to roll this out. So yeah, it was short term.
Adam Castar (00:25:25) - Yeah. It would have been a very different episode if it had been a sweep.
Adam Castar (00:25:28) - And like you just been.
Camden Bernatz (00:25:30) - One week.
Adam Castar (00:25:31) - Just one week, not even like, so, I'm sure that they're, they're happy at least a little bit that it went the distance even if Edmonton didn't win in the end.
Adam Castar (00:25:43) - Yeah.
Camden Bernatz (00:25:43) - I think sports lend themselves very much for that timeliness aspect because there's there's things happening in real time. Plus there is a built in audience. Obviously KFC Canada is focused on Canada, but it was a chance that pretty much an entire country was rallying around one team. I mean, not literally. I'm sure there's fans of other teams in there, but like in general you say, hey everyone, that was going to see this ad, it's probably in support of the team we're putting this out for. And so it was just a good chance to kind of know it resonate. But yeah. Good stuff. Thank you for your time and for your insight and for all the effort you do in helping this podcast be brought to life. And this has been a creative effort and a project on going as well, that there's little case study of the podcast itself we could do.
Camden Bernatz (00:26:23) - Maybe we have a breakdown of our podcast over time in the future, but yeah, same question I ask everybody else. Adam, I want make sure people can get in touch with you or follow what you're up to. Where's the best way to do that or what's what's something that you'd like to to plug or promote?
Adam Castar (00:26:39) - I don't really have a lot to plug or promote, but I am on LinkedIn. it's Adam and it's Castar. People misspell my last name all the time. so I have to specify. I'm. It's like a reflex at this point where every time I go to, like, the, like a restaurant or a car dealership or like a, like a the doctor's office, I'm like, yeah, it's Castar C-A-S-T-A-R. It's like. Yeah. So, anyway, that's where I am on LinkedIn and I don't really post a lot on LinkedIn. I usually like a lot of the posts that like our clients, and the podcast that I produce.
Camden Bernatz (00:27:15) - You're a lurker.
Adam Castar (00:27:16) - I'm a lurker.
Adam Castar (00:27:17) - Long time lurker. First never time poster.
Adam Castar (00:27:20) - It's all good.
Camden Bernatz (00:27:21) - It's all good. Maybe someone shoot you a message and want you to give them some podcast advice. And you can be the the wisdom to that. I'm going to ask you I put you on the spot right now, okay? Because you're, you're a podcasting pro. You I want you to give our outreach. I want you to tell people how they need to, like, follow, subscribe. Like what's what's a good way to get people? I need people to follow the podcast and engage with it more. So what's a good outro? Hit me with it.
Adam Castar (00:27:43) - Okay, man, this is fun. Well, it's funny because I do have my own, podcast. It's about fantasy football that I do with one of us.
Camden Bernatz (00:27:52) - Why don't you plug that?
Adam Castar (00:27:53) - That's true. Well, it's not really relevant to this.
Camden Bernatz (00:27:56) - But you got the.
Camden Bernatz (00:27:57) - Stage, man.
Camden Bernatz (00:27:58) - Plug it.
Adam Castar (00:27:58) - So it's, the basement talk podcast fantasy show. I'm a little different there, than I am on here.
Adam Castar (00:28:03) - I will just fair warning. there's an E next to it, and there's a good reason why. so that's that's all I'll say about that. But yeah, make sure that you like subscribe, leave a review, leave a five star review. Let us know what you think of the podcast. Any and all feedback is appreciated, and we'll talk to you next time about different brands, campaigns, and other marketing moves.
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