participantOne:(6600-7420): Infamous Indy. participantTwo:(6660-7440): Infamous Indy. participantOne:(7420-14500): Presents the digging up deliver project featuring, the Texas crime travelers and Travis Thompson I'm. participantTwo:(7440-9360): Presents the digging up deliver contra. participantTwo:(10400-14060): Featuring, the Texas crime travelers in Travis Thompson. participantTwo:(14180-15740): I'm, your host, Jill. participantOne:(14500-15080): Your host. participantTwo:(18650-22570): In the annals of American crime few figures room as large as John. participantOne:(18670-21210): In the annals of American crime few figures. participantOne:(21210-25230): Loom as large as John Dilger a mastermind bank Heights. participantTwo:(22570-24030): Just a master. participantTwo:(24030-25230): Mine bank Heights. participantOne:(25270-31990): His name became synonymous with brazen robberies and daring escapes questions of whether he escaped an FBI. participantTwo:(25270-31970): His name became synonymous with Braden robberies and daring escapes questions of whether he escaped an FBI. participantTwo:(31970-35530): Ambush and the whereabouts of his buried loop persevere. participantOne:(31990-35750): Ambush and the whereabouts of his buried loop persevere. participantOne:(36550-38330): History offers one account. participantTwo:(36590-38330): History offers one account. participantTwo:(38430-40430): But there are whispers that tell us many. participantOne:(38530-40730): But there are whispers that tell us many more. participantOne:(41670-44570): Join us as we go digging up cylinder. participantTwo:(41720-44880): Join us as we go digging up cylinder. participantTwo:(47860-57340): Everybody welcome to another episode digging up billing jerker presented by infamous Cindy with the Texas crime travelers and Travis Thompson. participantOne:(47910-50830): Everybody welcome to another episode of digging up. participantOne:(50830-57350): Villager presented by infamous Cindy with the Texas crime travelers and Travis Thompson. participantTwo:(57340-59320): No relation to the Thompson. participantOne:(57350-59330): No relation to the Thompson. participantTwo:(59320-64620): Submachine. Hiles sewer Travis Thompson. participantOne:(59330-64630): Submachine. Hiles sewer Travis Thompson. participantTwo:(64660-65860): And me, Joel. participantOne:(64670-65830): And me joy. participantOne:(65830-66670): Oh. your host. participantTwo:(65860-68840): Your host, welcome back guys what's up another <unk>. participantOne:(66730-69030): Welcome back guys what's up another <unk>. participantTwo:(68840-71800): What what is <unk>? participantOne:(69070-71790): What is <unk>? participantTwo:(72500-75880): We are drinking having a good old time. participantOne:(72500-75880): We are drinking having a good old time. participantTwo:(76300-79320): We're just saying John <unk>, probably like us with. participantOne:(76300-79320): We're just saying John <unk>, probably like us with. participantOne:(79360-80960): I think he like hanging out with us. participantTwo:(79360-80960): I think he like hanging out with us. participantOne:(80960-81800): I really do. participantTwo:(80960-81800): I really do. participantOne:(82480-84720): I mean, I think you would like hanging out with him. participantTwo:(82480-84720): I mean, I think you would like hanging out with him. participantOne:(84760-89240): So, lemme, tell you that's probably very true travel <unk>. participantTwo:(84760-89240): So, lemme, tell you that's probably very true travel <unk>. participantOne:(89240-91580): I just thought of something in the last episode. participantTwo:(89240-91560): I just thought of something in the last episode. participantTwo:(91600-94620): You said that you shot villagers Thompson machine gun. participantOne:(91620-94620): You said that you shot villagers Thompson machine gun. participantTwo:(94660-94960): Yes. participantOne:(94660-94960): Yes. participantTwo:(96000-96500): Travis. participantOne:(96000-96500): Travis. participantTwo:(96540-97840): Did you get to it too? participantOne:(96540-97840): Did you get to it too? participantOne:(98380-102800): I did not, I was back in mobile when he went North to film. participantTwo:(98380-102780): I did not, I was back in mobile when he went North to film. participantTwo:(102820-105000): Yeah, the FBI took all the credit didn't. participantOne:(102840-105000): Yeah, the FBI took all the credit didn't. participantTwo:(105000-108840): They yeah, they just push the small law enforcement of the way. participantOne:(105000-108840): They yeah, they just push the small law enforcement of the way. participantTwo:(108840-109060): And. participantOne:(108840-109720): And that'll. participantOne:(111460-111840): Work. participantTwo:(111460-111840): Work. participantTwo:(112260-114270): He probably said let's. participantOne:(112260-114270): He probably said let's. participantTwo:(114270-116130): Do this after Travis leaves that way? participantOne:(114270-116130): Do this after Travis leaves that way? participantTwo:(116130-117050): We can shoot more. participantOne:(116130-117050): We can shoot more. participantTwo:(117110-118630): I mean, I've heard rumors about that. participantOne:(117110-118630): I mean, I've heard rumors about that. participantOne:(118630-119830): But I don't wanna bring it up. participantTwo:(118630-119830): But I don't wanna bring it up. participantOne:(119870-120690): So, [laughter]. participantTwo:(119870-120690): So, [laughter]. participantOne:(120730-124830): Well, well to go ahead and uh, continue this thing. participantTwo:(120730-124830): Well, well to go ahead and uh, continue this thing. participantTwo:(124830-132070): A little further, not only did I get to continue to Lake county and shoot the machine gone from there. participantOne:(124830-132070): A little further, not only did I get to continue to Lake county and shoot the machine gone from there. participantOne:(132110-136310): I got to go with the, you know, up to little Bohemia in Wisconsin. participantTwo:(132110-136290): I got to go with the, you know, up to little Bohemia in Wisconsin. participantOne:(136850-143090): Um, to film more up there and while we're there the, um, I forget what they call it. participantTwo:(136850-143090): Um, to film more up there and while we're there the, um, I forget what they call it. participantOne:(143590-153850): The so I'll go, you may know this on the TV show you know, when it goes to commercial a during the the series of commercials there's there's a little piece in there. participantTwo:(143590-153850): The so I'll know, you may know this on the TV show you know, when it goes to commercial a during the the series of commercials there's there's a little piece in there. participantTwo:(153850-156890): That's, maybe about maybe maybe 30 seconds. participantOne:(153850-156890): That's, maybe about maybe maybe 30 seconds. participantTwo:(156890-162030): Long not even maybe that long, but they that they show that's a from the show. participantOne:(156890-162030): Long not even maybe that long that they that they show that's a from the show. participantTwo:(162070-166510): That's just a little teaser that that that that that people when it does. participantOne:(162070-166510): That's just a little teaser that that that that that people when it does. participantOne:(166510-167930): It hooks people in the thinking. participantTwo:(166510-167930): It hooks people in the thinking. participantOne:(167930-173510): Oh. the shows back on and so they stay on and then maybe they'll just stay with the commercials that continue. participantTwo:(167930-173510): Oh. the shows back on and so they stay on and then maybe they'll just stay with the commercials that continue. participantTwo:(174100-187940): Um, so they filled two or three these in the bar in at little Bohemia and as I maybe mentioned before you know, I hung out they're quite extensively when I was there and, um, they talking about the bar you hung out at. participantOne:(174100-182600): Um, so they filled two or three these in the bar in at little Bohemia and as I've maybe mentioned before you know, I I hung out. participantOne:(182600-183940): They're quite extensively. participantOne:(183940-187330): When I was there and, uh, they're talking about the bar? participantOne:(187330-187930): You hung out at. participantOne:(187970-191250): Yes in little and this is where the historic bar. participantTwo:(187980-191240): Yes in little and this is where the historic bar. participantTwo:(191240-192480): It was for research Tom. participantOne:(191250-192490): It was for research Tom. participantTwo:(192480-193120): Take it easy. participantOne:(192490-193310): Take it easy. participantOne:(193350-195910): So, <unk>, I got left out of this too. participantTwo:(193560-195920): So until I got, I got left out of this too. participantOne:(195910-196910): So yeah, <unk>. participantTwo:(195920-196880): So yeah, <unk>. participantTwo:(196880-197460): I believe it. participantOne:(196910-197550): I believe it. participantTwo:(197500-199980): So it is, well, I was not in this. participantOne:(197590-199990): So it is well, I was not in this. participantTwo:(199980-211520): I just got to watch it, but um, so it's, Josh gates and he's at the bar and the bar and he's talking to a bartender and a Josh says, Hey, I I wanna order what deliver had what. participantOne:(199990-211520): I just got to watch it, but um, so it's, Josh gates and he's at the bar in the bar and he's talking to a bartender and a Josh says, Hey, I I wanna order what deliver had what. participantOne:(211520-220460): What did deliver order when he was here and he and the bartender says, oh. it was the re by state and and Josh says, well, how did he have it? participantTwo:(211520-220460): What did deliver order when he was here and he and the bartender says, oh. it was the re by state and and Josh says, well, how did he have it? participantTwo:(220500-221960): You know how to have it repaired. participantOne:(220500-221960): You know how to have it repaired. participantTwo:(222000-227760): You know, and and where was it, you know, well done, medium rare and the guy goes bloody as hell. participantOne:(222000-227760): You know, and and where was it, you know, well done, medium rare and the guy goes bloody as hell. participantTwo:(227800-231000): So [laughter]. participantOne:(227800-231000): So [laughter]. participantTwo:(231040-233720): So I thought that was the funniest little segment. participantOne:(231040-233720): So I thought that was the funniest little segment. participantTwo:(233720-237780): That they filled, but that did not end up making it on the show. participantOne:(233720-237780): That they filled, but that did not end up making it on the show. participantOne:(237820-240220): It was a you know, but I thought that that little line. participantTwo:(237820-240220): It was a you know, but I thought that that little line. participantTwo:(240220-243020): Bloody and I think the bartender just came up with that on his own. participantOne:(240220-243020): Bloody and I think the bartender just came up with that on his own. participantTwo:(243590-248450): Um, and I think even Josh was was stunned at how well, that was, but then they ended up not using it. participantOne:(243630-248450): Um, and I think even Josh was was stunned at how well, that was, but then they ended up not using it. participantTwo:(248490-253270): So anyway, the cutting room floor is filled with great moment, [laughter]. participantOne:(248490-253270): So anyway, the cutting room floor is filled with great moment, [laughter]. participantTwo:(253310-253730): Yeah. participantOne:(253310-253730): Yeah. participantOne:(254610-255570): Again this is. participantTwo:(254610-255570): Again this is. participantOne:(257000-259420): But a good set for a good. participantTwo:(257000-258260): But a good seller. participantTwo:(258320-264460): Good. why we're doing this podcast is because they they don't make good decisions in Hollywood. participantOne:(259540-264460): Why we're doing this podcast is because they they don't make good decisions in Hollywood? participantOne:(264460-266700): Sometimes when it comes to this kind of story. participantTwo:(264460-266700): Sometimes when it comes to this kind of story. participantOne:(266740-268460): So we're gonna talk about it. participantTwo:(266740-268460): So we're gonna talk about it. participantOne:(268500-271660): And, uh, we're gonna get little bloody we're gonna bloody as hell. participantTwo:(268500-271660): And, uh, we're gonna get little bloody we're gonna bloody as hell. participantTwo:(271780-272200): Bloody. participantOne:(271780-272200): Bloody. participantOne:(272240-276710): Hell, on the, I mean, it still might get a little tune up by the time. participantTwo:(272240-276700): Hell, on the, I mean, it still might get a little tune up by the time. participantTwo:(276700-279620): We're done with this with his I'll. participantOne:(276710-279630): We're done with this with this I'll. participantTwo:(279660-281120): Well, yeah, here we go. participantOne:(279670-281130): Well, yeah, here we go. participantTwo:(281160-282080): Here's here's. participantOne:(281170-282070): Here's here's. participantOne:(282070-282730): Well Stewart. participantTwo:(282080-282720): Well Stewart. participantTwo:(282720-283380): Well Stewart. participantOne:(282730-283390): Well Stewart. participantTwo:(283380-295720): Remember when we're in Crown on. and we are all on the porch and they're filming us, but we're just sitting there telling jokes and with us with Josh gates and my father, Mike Thompson. participantOne:(283390-295730): Remember when we're in Crown. and we are all on the porch and they're filming us, but we're just sitting there telling jokes with us with Josh gates and my father, Mike Thompson. participantTwo:(295720-300000): And and none of that made it at all none of it and they filled it yet. participantOne:(295730-300030): And and none of that made it at all none of it and they filled it yet. participantTwo:(300040-300880): Yeah, they did. participantOne:(300070-300870): Yeah, they did. participantOne:(300910-303790): Yeah, and to be clear a steward that's. participantTwo:(300920-303790): Yeah, and to be clear a steward that's. participantTwo:(303790-305290): Uh, that's, uh, T's, right. participantOne:(303790-305290): Uh, that's, uh, T's, right. participantTwo:(305290-308010): A mid mid commercial T's I'm, assuming, that's. participantOne:(305290-308010): A mid mid commercial T's I'm, assuming, that's. participantOne:(308010-310410): What you're talking about where it kind of gives you the impression? participantTwo:(308010-310410): What you're talking about where it kind of gives you the impression? participantTwo:(310410-314350): You're kinda come back to the show and then it it cuts out to more commercials exactly. participantOne:(310410-314350): You're kinda come back to the show and then it it cuts out to more commercials exactly. participantTwo:(314350-318590): Yeah, that yeah, that may have been what they called it a Joe. participantOne:(314350-318590): Yeah, that yeah, that may have been what they called it a Joe. participantTwo:(318590-322630): I but I was thinking there was some little like quick catch a little name for it. participantOne:(318590-322630): I but I was thinking there was some little like quick catch a little name for it. participantOne:(322630-325930): Oh. we gotta there's also a bumper there's also something called a bumper. participantTwo:(322630-325930): Oh. we gotta there's also a bumper there's also something called a bumper. participantTwo:(325990-328370): Okay, that that that sounds more like it. participantOne:(325990-328370): Okay, that that that sounds more like it. participantOne:(328410-329590): What they what they called it? participantTwo:(328410-329590): What they what they called it? participantTwo:(329630-330630): I just, I just don't really. participantOne:(329630-330630): I just, I just don't really. participantOne:(331100-333800): Yeah, bumpers are more like a five seconds. participantTwo:(331100-333780): Yeah, bumpers are more like a five seconds. participantTwo:(333840-346260): They're like they're station identify identify as right before and usually on what you'll notice on like like T L C or discovery or history channel investigation, discover you'll. participantOne:(333840-346260): They're like they're station identify identify as right before and usually on what you'll notice on like like T L C or discovery or history channel investigation, discover you'll. participantTwo:(346260-357980): See, like a quick information will advertisements for like shows that are coming up on history channel that are like new or different they'll put those right before they go back to the show that you're watching on <unk>. participantOne:(346260-357980): See, like a quick information will advertisements for like shows that are coming up on history channel that are like new or different they'll put those right before they go back to the show that you're watching on <unk>. participantTwo:(358700-359380): Yeah, but cool. participantOne:(358700-359380): Yeah, but cool. participantOne:(359440-361480): What experience Stewart I'll <unk>? participantTwo:(359440-361480): What experience Stewart I'll <unk>? participantTwo:(361480-367480): It was a blast and like I said, I was lucky enough to get on to more of those two more episodes of that show. participantOne:(361480-367480): It was a blast and like I said, I was lucky enough to get on to more of those two more episodes of that show. participantOne:(367520-375180): Not related to deliver, but the er, man you know, so yeah, the FBI kind of came in and pushed Travis and mic to the side. participantTwo:(367520-375180): Not related to deliver, but the er, man you know, so yeah, the FBI kind of came in and pushed Travis and mic to the side. participantOne:(375180-377360): And then I you know, I got all the, I got all the glory. participantTwo:(375180-377360): And then I you know, I got all the, I got all the glory. participantOne:(377620-379920): Yeah, they didn't want no more. participantTwo:(377620-379920): Yeah, they didn't want no more. participantOne:(381010-382170): Well, we made sure. participantTwo:(381020-382680): Well, we made stored look bad. participantOne:(382170-382690): Look bad. participantTwo:(382680-384160): So they're like, Hey, you guys stay back. participantOne:(382690-384130): So they're like, Hey, you guys stay back. participantOne:(384170-388210): <unk>. participantTwo:(384200-388220): <unk>. participantOne:(388250-395890): Yeah, yeah, well they offered you know if the if the deliverer blood and an FBI agent went to little Bohemia. participantTwo:(388260-390860): Yeah, yeah, well they're already. participantTwo:(390860-395920): You know if the, if the deliverer blood and an FBI agent went to little Bohemia. participantOne:(395890-397770): We might have a reaction or something. participantTwo:(395920-397780): We might have a re enactment or something. participantOne:(397770-400790): Just you know, [laughter]. participantTwo:(397780-400780): But you know, [laughter]. participantTwo:(402180-403700): Yeah, then steward be shooting. participantOne:(402180-403700): Yeah, then steward be shooting. participantTwo:(403740-406220): Innocent people anyway, cause that's what they actually. participantOne:(403740-406220): Innocent people anyway, cause that's what they actually. participantTwo:(406220-407080): I did that's what. participantOne:(406220-407080): I did that's what. participantTwo:(407840-409780): They did that they did. participantOne:(407840-409780): They did that they did. participantTwo:(409780-413340): They literally killed and really kills an instant civilian. participantOne:(409780-413340): They literally killed and really kills an instant civilian. participantTwo:(413380-414880): Yep, another <unk>. participantOne:(413380-414880): Yep, another <unk>. participantTwo:(414880-416820): The wrong 11934. participantOne:(414880-416820): The wrong 11934. participantTwo:(416820-423840): And that's, exactly which again, I think it is one of those things that in context. participantOne:(416820-423840): And that's, exactly which again, I think it is one of those things that in context. participantTwo:(424180-430480): Can could maybe justify or explain why you know, if there was an imposture. participantOne:(424200-430480): Can could maybe justify or explain why you know, if there was an imposture. participantTwo:(431000-432180): Yeah, they were just like don't. participantOne:(431000-432200): Yeah, they were just like don't. participantTwo:(432220-432960): Well, we did. participantOne:(432240-432960): Well, we did. participantOne:(433520-437020): We already killed a civilian once we can't do it again. participantTwo:(433520-437020): We already killed a civilian once we can't do it again. participantTwo:(437060-440100): Well, what about what when he's coming out of the bio graph. participantOne:(437060-440100): Well, what about what when he's coming out of the bio graph. participantTwo:(440100-441880): No, they were supposed to light a cigar. participantOne:(440100-441880): No, they were supposed to light a cigar. participantTwo:(441880-445040): We talked about this and nobody lived a cigar. participantOne:(441880-445040): We talked about this and nobody lived a cigar. participantTwo:(445080-452160): So like, yeah, I you know, I don't know if that is maybe just urban legends about the lit cigar of. participantOne:(445080-452160): So like, yeah, I you know, I don't know if that is maybe just urban legends about the lit cigar of. participantTwo:(453180-453540): That. participantOne:(453180-465780): That there are very detailed reports about you know, the take down our at at the the bar graph eater and I'm, not sure I ever really remember seeing anything in the agent's themselves that wrote reports. participantTwo:(453600-461240): The there are very detailed reports about you know, the take down our at at the the bar graph feeder and I'm not sure. participantTwo:(461240-465780): I ever really remember seeing anything in the agent's themselves that wrote reports. participantOne:(465820-467380): Anything about a lit cigar. participantTwo:(465820-467380): Anything about a lit cigar. participantOne:(467420-473400): Maybe there was I just don't remember, but the thing that the jumps out at me is that no 1. participantTwo:(467420-473420): Maybe there was I just don't remember, but the thing that the jumps out at me is that no 1. participantTwo:(473500-476300): No one had actually seen villager in person. participantOne:(473500-476300): No one had actually seen villager in person. participantOne:(476300-478440): They did not know what this guy looked like. participantTwo:(476300-478440): They did not know what this guy looked like. participantOne:(478900-489340): And so you know that they were going on the lady in in the orange dress, which the orange dress a supposedly looked read in the lights. participantTwo:(478920-489240): And so you know that they were going on the lady in in the orange dress, which the orange dress a supposedly looked read in the lights. participantOne:(489380-492240): So how are you sure that this is the woman? participantTwo:(489590-492250): So how are you sure that this is the woman? participantOne:(492240-502470): The only person that that saw Anna, Sage prior to this happening was was Melvin purpose, Melvin purpose was not one of the agents that that actually shot villager. participantTwo:(492250-502470): The only person that that saw an S age prior to this happening was was Melvin purpose, Melvin purpose was not one of the agents that that actually shot villager. participantTwo:(502510-508450): So, uh, you know, again, the there's there's just a lot of questions that that ways. participantOne:(502510-508450): So, uh, you know, again, the there's there's just a lot of questions like that that ways. participantTwo:(508450-511710): So heavy with me that like nobody knew what this do. participantOne:(508450-511710): So heavy with me that like nobody knew what this do. participantTwo:(511710-512350): Looks like it's. participantOne:(511710-512350): Looks like it's. participantOne:(512350-517150): So hard to imagine that in our world now how could you not know what someone looks like. participantTwo:(512350-517150): So hard to imagine that in our world now how would you not know what someone looks like. participantOne:(517150-520220): Now because of obviously technology. participantTwo:(517150-520220): Now because of obviously technology. participantTwo:(521680-522880): But well, so. participantOne:(521680-522880): But well, so. participantTwo:(523700-527240): Driver's license front driver's license driver's license photos. participantOne:(523700-527240): Driver's license front driver's license driver's license photos. participantTwo:(527240-527620): Now. participantOne:(527240-527620): Now. participantTwo:(527660-540510): Okay, so like earlier, I think in the last episode, we show the the quick little video of a villager of the behind bars in Tucson, Arizona before he's transported to Lake county now you know, there were newsreels. participantOne:(527660-540510): Okay, so like earlier, I think in the last episode, we show the the quick little video of a villager of behind bars in Tucson, Arizona before he's transported to Lake county now you know, there were newsreels. participantTwo:(540510-549890): So deliver had actually been been photographed in newsreels and you know the famous photo in the Crown. sale, where he's you know, he's he's hanging is handover. participantOne:(540510-549890): So deliver had actually been been photographed in newsreels and you know the famous photo in the Crown. sale, where he's you know, he's he's hanging is handover. participantTwo:(549890-550690): The Sheriff. participantOne:(549890-550670): The Sheriff. participantOne:(550710-551710): You know, doing that. participantTwo:(550730-551710): You know, doing that. participantOne:(552150-554550): Um, you know, so those were available. participantTwo:(552150-554510): Um, you know, so those were available. participantTwo:(554870-559740): Uh, but, but no one has ever no one on that deliver squad had seen villager person. participantOne:(554870-559740): Uh, but, but no one has ever no one on that deliver squad had seen villager person. participantOne:(559740-560620): No, one knew. participantTwo:(559740-560620): No, one knew. participantTwo:(560620-561740): What this guy looks like? participantOne:(560620-561740): What this guy looks like? participantTwo:(561740-565160): And you know he had had the plastic surgery. participantOne:(561740-565160): And you know he had had the plastic surgery. participantTwo:(565300-567840): He had died his hair black. participantOne:(565300-567840): He had died his hair black. participantTwo:(567880-570300): Um, had the mustache. participantOne:(567880-570300): Um, had the mustache. participantTwo:(570720-574580): Um, so you know, I don't know again. participantOne:(570720-574580): Um, so you know, I don't know again. participantTwo:(575890-580490): I I man, I if I could time travel and go back and you know, and be there. participantOne:(575890-580490): I I man, I if I could time travel and go back and you know, and be there. participantOne:(580490-585770): I would do it in a heartbeat to to see what these guys would have seen when villager came out of that. participantTwo:(580490-585770): I would do it in a heartbeat to to see what these guys would have seen when villager came out of that. participantOne:(585810-586910): Yeah, if we're gonna go. participantTwo:(585810-586910): Yeah, if we're gonna go. participantOne:(586910-588430): Do the time travel discussion? participantTwo:(586910-588430): Do the time travel discussion? participantTwo:(588430-593570): I I'm gonna guess, right now that that's not the first place you would go. participantOne:(588430-593570): I I'm gonna guess, right now that that's not the first place you would go. participantOne:(594010-597150): You would probably go J assassination [laughter]. participantTwo:(594010-597130): You would probably go J assassination [laughter]. participantOne:(597250-599450): I would, yeah, yeah, me too. participantTwo:(597250-599430): I would, yeah, yeah, me too. participantOne:(599490-599870): Yeah. participantTwo:(599490-599870): Yeah. participantTwo:(601340-602020): Guys. participantOne:(601350-602010): Guys. participantTwo:(602180-605200): This is this is a this is fun we're. participantOne:(602190-605190): This is this is a this is fun we're. participantOne:(605190-606470): Just having fun here. participantTwo:(605200-606500): Just having fun here. participantOne:(606690-612990): If you like listening like subscribed comment share we're looking for everybody to get involved here. participantTwo:(606700-612980): If you like listening like subscribed comment share we're looking for everybody to get involved here. participantTwo:(612980-615060): We want we want your opinions. participantOne:(612990-614990): We want we want your opinions. participantOne:(615130-625580): We love the discussion and ultimately we're gonna to find something whether it's it's the truth or confirmation of whatever it used to be. participantTwo:(615140-625610): We love the discussion and ultimately we're gonna to find something whether it's it's the truth or confirmation of whatever it used to be. participantTwo:(625670-631210): But, um, we're gonna keep going on what we've been doing the last couple of codes. participantOne:(625680-631160): But, um, we're gonna keep going on what we've been doing the last couple of codes. participantTwo:(631530-632750): I think four episodes. participantOne:(631540-633220): I think for episodes now. participantTwo:(632750-633190): Now. participantTwo:(633570-645350): Um, we're gonna go back to the full more report and we're gonna take a look again and the first thing is the missing tooth we're gonna go we're gonna go over the missing tooth for John villager. participantOne:(633580-636440): Um, we're gonna go back to the film or report. participantOne:(636620-645310): And we're gonna take a look again and the first thing is the missing tooth we're gonna go we're gonna go over the missing tooth for John villager. participantTwo:(645490-647310): Um, I'm gonna share the screen. participantOne:(645490-647310): Um, I'm gonna share the screen. participantOne:(647490-650810): If you're following along on you to this is a good moment. participantTwo:(647550-650810): If you're following along on you to this is a good moment. participantOne:(650850-652970): Uh, you can really see it here. participantTwo:(650850-652970): Uh, you can really see it here. participantTwo:(653600-664980): The missing tooth freeze for the freeze frame from when he was captured after Phoenix and was um, right, right before a Crown. participantOne:(653600-664980): The missing tooth freeze for the freeze frame from when he was captured after Phoenix and was um, right, right before a Crown. participantTwo:(665080-666360): He got put away in Crown. participantOne:(665080-666360): He got put away in Crown. participantTwo:(666360-668460): So you could see he's like laughing and what's crazy. participantOne:(666360-668460): So you could see he's like laughing and what's crazy. participantOne:(668460-671720): We talked about this video to is that what is he laughing at. participantTwo:(668460-671720): We talked about this video to is that what is he laughing at. participantOne:(671720-675800): So hard because it was it was really big smiles. participantTwo:(671720-675800): So hard because it was it was really big smiles. participantTwo:(675960-699320): Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you actually see this in in you know in video and it clearly someone says something to him and it just cracks him up and and you know this is the, I mean, it gives this big green and you could tell that the the everybody their thought this was hilarious, whatever it was and and I just wish there were audio of it would be fantastic to here. participantOne:(675960-699320): Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you actually see this in in you know in video and it clearly someone says something to him and it just cracks him up and and you know this is the, I mean, it gives this big green and you could tell that the the everybody their thought this was hilarious, whatever it was and and I just wish there were audio of it would be fantastic to here. participantTwo:(700370-704850): When was initially incarcerated at Crown. Indiana jail? participantOne:(700370-704850): When was initially incarcerated at Crown. Indiana jail? participantTwo:(704850-705330): I'm reading. participantOne:(704850-705330): I'm reading. participantOne:(705330-709070): Now, by the way, right from the report in January 1934. participantTwo:(705330-709070): Now, by the way, right from the report in January 1934. participantOne:(709070-712590): He was filled in for an a photograph by reporters. participantTwo:(709070-712590): He was filled and put an a photograph by reporters. participantTwo:(712590-719110): Well, standing with the district attorney, Robert and Cheryl, Lillian Holly in one particular moment. participantOne:(712590-719130): Well, standing with the district attorney, Robert, Estella and Cheryl, Lillian Holly in one particular moment. participantTwo:(719110-721270): He's filled having this Hardy laugh. participantOne:(719130-721250): He's filled having this Hardy laugh. participantOne:(721310-733730): And doing so his upper teeth were clearly visible and the smile revealed him to have either a missing or partially missing upper right canine tooth the following photos were taken from the <unk>. participantTwo:(721310-733730): And doing so his upper teeth were clearly visible and the smile revealed him to have either a missing or partially missing upper right canine tooth the following photos were taken from the <unk>. participantTwo:(733730-735170): The film footage. participantOne:(733730-735170): The film footage. participantOne:(735310-738350): Yes, it definitely doesn't look like a piece of Spanish. participantTwo:(735330-738150): Yes, it definitely doesn't look like a piece of Spanish. participantOne:(738890-741330): [laughter]. participantTwo:(739400-740300): [laughter]. participantTwo:(740300-741340): No [laughter]. participantOne:(742740-744500): There's a reference in the FBI. participantTwo:(742740-744500): There's, a reference in the FBI. participantOne:(744500-747180): Villager file to deliver having a goal tooth. participantTwo:(744500-747180): Villager file to deliver having a goal tooth. participantOne:(747180-756020): However, there's, no additional confirmation or reference to the goal tooth the dental records of villager were available for both the U S navy and the Indiana prison records. participantTwo:(747180-756040): However, there's, no additional confirmation or reference to the goal tooth the dental records of villager were available for both the U S navy and the Indiana prison records. participantOne:(756060-760160): Those records show that deliver had an additional missing tooth as well. participantTwo:(756080-760160): Those records show that deliver had an additional missing tooth as well. participantTwo:(760160-764640): Although they cannot be seen in available photos or fill unlike. participantOne:(760160-764640): Although they cannot be seen in available photos or fill unlike. participantOne:(764680-773680): Other identifying factors that can change post modem like the previously described clouding in the eyeballs, the teeth do not change after death. participantTwo:(764680-773680): Other identifying factors that can change post modem like the previously described clouding in the eyeballs, the teeth do not change after death. participantTwo:(773720-788760): The forensic identification standards of the day dental identification would have been second only to fingerprints and scientific priority and certainty despite it's potential significance for identification, the official autopsy on Dillinger completely omitted. participantOne:(773720-788760): The forensic identification standards of the day dental identification would have been second only to fingerprints and scientific priority and certainty despite it's potential significance for identification, the official autopsy on Dillinger completely omitted. participantOne:(789360-803440): The description of the teeth and finally other than the mention of a possible, go to goal tooth there is no documented effort in the NPI files to describe delivers dental condition. participantTwo:(789360-803440): The description of the teeth and finally other than the mention of a possible, go to goal tooth there is no documented effort in the NPI files to describe delivers dental condition. participantTwo:(803740-804080): . participantOne:(803740-804080): . participantTwo:(805840-809560): Would you say that they admitted it on purpose, possibly? participantOne:(805840-809560): Would you say that they admitted it on purpose, possibly? participantTwo:(809600-819440): Yeah, you know, I I'm not willing to necessarily rule that out, but um, it is strange that that there. participantOne:(809640-819440): Yeah, you know, I I'm not willing to necessarily rule that out, but um, it is strange that that there. participantTwo:(819440-822180): Wasn't a description of the teeth a. participantOne:(819440-822180): Wasn't a description of the teeth a. participantTwo:(823580-828320): The F P I think at that. was so certain that they had villager through the fingerprint. participantOne:(823580-828240): The F P I think at that. was so certain that they had villager through the fingerprint. participantOne:(828360-828640): . participantTwo:(828360-828640): . participantTwo:(830080-839380): Uh, you know, identification, that was the the fingerprints where the where the that was the DNA of the day that was the most definitive means of identification. participantOne:(830080-839380): Uh, you know, identification, that was the the fingerprints where the where the that was the DNA of the day that was the most definitive means of identification. participantTwo:(840020-845160): They a claimed very very quickly after the diagram shooting. participantOne:(840020-845160): They a claimed very very quickly after the diagram shooting. participantOne:(845160-849160): That you know the the the fingerprints matched it was a positive identification. participantTwo:(845160-849160): That you know the the the fingerprints matched it was a positive identification. participantOne:(849160-856700): It was still under and so, um, maybe I don't know if doctor was aware of that. participantTwo:(849160-856700): It was still under and so, um, maybe I don't know if doctor was aware of that. participantOne:(856740-858100): If he's already heard that. participantTwo:(856740-858100): If he's already heard that. participantOne:(858100-880950): Maybe I know I know the bureaus present at the autopsy and so current must have been aware of that and so I I think something that that the, you know, examining the teeth and and giving a description of the teeth a for identification purposes, maybe you just decided you know that these these boys already got a gotta identified through the fingerprints I'm. participantTwo:(858100-880950): Maybe I know I know the bureaus present at the autopsy and so current must have been aware of that and so I I think something that that the, you know, examining the teeth and and giving a description of the teeth a for identification purposes, maybe you just decided you know that these these boys I've already got a gotta identified through the fingerprints I'm. participantOne:(880950-884230): Not gonna I'm not gonna bother with T that's that's. participantTwo:(880950-884230): Not gonna I'm not gonna bother with T that's that's. participantOne:(884270-888790): Could be a very reasonable and possible explanation for what seem go ahead. participantTwo:(884270-888790): Could be a very reasonable and possible explanation for what seem go ahead. participantTwo:(888790-895370): Looks like I was gonna say you know, it's been 90 years later in the Internet and we talked about this maybe on the last Bob. participantOne:(888790-895410): Looks like I was gonna say you know, it's been 90 years later in the Internet and we talked about this maybe on the last bond. participantTwo:(895370-897690): Cast, but, um, when you look at it. participantOne:(895410-897690): Cast, but um, when you look at it. participantTwo:(898360-899800): He says as he's dying. participantOne:(898360-899800): He says as he's dying. participantTwo:(899840-903020): You got me boys isn't that good enough, right there that was delivered. participantOne:(899840-901260): You got me Boyce isn't. participantOne:(901260-903020): That good enough, right there that was delivered. participantTwo:(903200-904060): He whispered it. participantOne:(903200-904060): He whispered it. participantTwo:(904100-905060): He said you got me. participantOne:(904100-905060): He said you got me. participantTwo:(905060-906560): Boyce zip case closed. participantOne:(905060-906560): Boyce zip case closed. participantTwo:(906680-907800): Yeah, <unk>. participantOne:(906700-907800): Yeah, <unk>. participantOne:(907800-916020): Well, and I think I think one of the things that we discussed in that conversation was the diligent taking a 45 round to the the 6th. participantTwo:(907800-916000): Well, and I think I think one of the things that we discussed in that conversation was that delivers taking a 45 round to the the 6th. participantTwo:(916000-917460): Cervical vertebra. participantOne:(916020-917460): Cervical vertebra. participantOne:(917460-919500): That deflected up and went straight up. participantTwo:(917460-919500): That deflected up and went straight up. participantTwo:(919500-920480): His spinal cord. participantOne:(919500-923940): His spinal cord a and exited out his, uh, just below his right. participantTwo:(921070-923890): Uh, and exited out his, uh, just below his right. participantTwo:(923890-930410): Hi, um, he was still the heart was still bleeding when he hit the ground, but I doubt he's conscious. participantOne:(923940-930410): I, um, he was still the heart was still bleeding when he hit the ground, but I don't he was conscious. participantTwo:(930450-938990): So, but I think he has the most quotes for last words said because I think another one said anything like by birdie by Bertie. participantOne:(930450-938990): So, but I think he has the most quotes for last words said because I think another one said, didn't say, like by birdie by Bertie. participantOne:(938990-943710): I think he say by yeah, yeah, you got me G man stuff like that. participantTwo:(938990-940390): I think he say by long. participantTwo:(940430-943670): Yeah, yeah, you got me G man stuff like that. participantTwo:(943710-943970): Yeah. participantOne:(943750-943970): Yeah. participantTwo:(945500-946460): For those listening. participantOne:(945500-946460): For those listening. participantTwo:(946500-947440): They're kidding. participantOne:(946500-947400): They're kidding. participantTwo:(947480-948920): We don't know what he said. participantOne:(947520-948920): We don't know what he said. participantOne:(948980-950380): There's conflicting reports. participantTwo:(948980-950380): There's conflicting reports. participantTwo:(950380-951240): If you Miss Alaska. participantOne:(950380-951240): If you Miss Alaska. participantOne:(951240-960560): Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I I don't think if you you have severed your spinal cord at you're at the bottom of your brain cell like I the brand Sam. participantTwo:(951240-960560): Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I I don't think if you you have severed your spinal cord at you're at the bottom of your brain cell like I the brand Sam. participantOne:(960560-962880): I doubt if you're saying anything, right. participantTwo:(960560-962860): I doubt if you're saying anything, right. participantTwo:(963460-970350): Um, do we is there a possibility that doctor kerns cause cause we talked about this too? participantOne:(963460-970350): Um, do we is there a possibility that doctor kerns cause cause we talked about this too? participantTwo:(970390-974170): We don't feel as if doctor kerns was an Ferris character. participantOne:(970390-974170): We don't feel as if doctor kerns was an Ferris character. participantTwo:(974170-980450): We don't feel not always somebody who was doing the service in order to help the FBI. participantOne:(974170-980450): We don't feel not always somebody who was doing the service in order to help the FBI. participantOne:(980490-986500): We think he was just doing his job, but why would he missed this if he was a pro, why would he missed that? participantTwo:(980490-986500): We think he was just doing his job, but why would he missed this if he was a pro, why would he missed that? participantOne:(986500-990240): Especially if it was the second way of identifying a body. participantTwo:(986500-990280): Especially if it was the second way of identifying a body. participantOne:(990400-1006760): Yeah, again, my thought is is that he was aware that that the body has already been identified through the fingerprints and so I don't know, that's, the most Regis heat wave in Chicago history that night and uh, let's just get home now. participantTwo:(990400-1006760): Yeah, again, my thought is is that he was aware that that the body has already been identified through the fingerprints and so I don't know, that's, the most Regis heat wave in Chicago history that night and uh, let's just get home now. participantTwo:(1006760-1008260): Let's, get this damn thing over with. participantOne:(1006760-1008260): Let's, get this damn thing over with. participantTwo:(1008380-1011260): Yeah, he wants to get home or will be pressured. participantOne:(1008380-1011260): Yeah, he wants to get home or will be pressured. participantOne:(1012270-1024250): Or was the pressure a exactly like what we talked about before Stewart we've brought up the J F K case of stuff came out recently that there was people that pressured the medical examiner. participantTwo:(1012270-1024250): Or was the pressure a exactly like what we talked about before Stewart we've brought up the J F K case of stuff came out recently that there was people that pressured the medical examiner. participantTwo:(1024330-1025850): Yep, absolutely. participantOne:(1024330-1025850): Yep, absolutely. participantTwo:(1025890-1027550): Yep, there's pressure brought against. participantOne:(1025890-1027550): Yep, there's pressure brought against. participantTwo:(1027550-1031310): Uh, certainly one of the doctors that was a present at parkland. participantOne:(1027550-1031310): Uh, certainly one of the doctors that was a present at parkland. participantTwo:(1031350-1033990): Uh, and I I know that for a fact. participantOne:(1031350-1033990): Uh, and I I know that for a fact. participantOne:(1033990-1043040): So cause what I mean with whoever I mean, obviously I've been on the phone with purpose during this and we we, we have no idea what orders. participantTwo:(1033990-1043040): So cause what I mean with whoever I mean, obviously I've been on the phone with purpose during this and we we, we have no idea what orders. participantTwo:(1043040-1053300): Marching orders was given, but I would assume whoever would want to know 100% in a quick fashion that was John O <unk>, man big time. participantOne:(1043040-1053300): Marching orders was given, but I would assume whoever would want to know 100% in a quick fashion that was John O <unk>, man big time. participantTwo:(1053300-1063210): Yeah, I promise you one of the first orders of the day was to get his fingerprints and and and again, that's something to me that is really um, interesting. participantOne:(1053300-1063210): Yeah, I promise you one of the first orders of the day was to get his fingerprints and and and again, that's something to me that is really um, interesting. participantTwo:(1063210-1069770): And I think I pointed out somewhere in the report probably not right here, but um, is that it? participantOne:(1063210-1069770): And I think I pointed out somewhere in the report probably not right here, but um, is that it? participantOne:(1069770-1081670): There's not a lot of detail as to who actually did the fingerprint examination that made the positive identification, it's, just it's just you know, put out to the world that he's been identified. participantTwo:(1069770-1081670): There's not a lot of detail as to who actually did the fingerprint examination that made the positive identification, it's, just it's just you know, put out to the world that he's been identified. participantOne:(1081710-1082610): The fingerprint. participantTwo:(1081710-1082610): The fingerprint. participantTwo:(1082610-1088090): Matchbook case closed, but there is not a specific report that details. participantOne:(1082610-1088090): Matchbook case closed, but there is not a specific report that details. participantOne:(1088090-1088790): Who did it? participantTwo:(1088090-1088790): Who did it? participantOne:(1089730-1096470): Uh, what the specific points of identification where we're gonna get further into this in the fingerprints because this is another area. participantTwo:(1089730-1096470): Uh, what the specific points of identification where we're gonna get further into this in the fingerprints because this is another area. participantTwo:(1096470-1097490): That's questionable. participantOne:(1096470-1097490): That's questionable. participantOne:(1097570-1100590): You might need to hours for the fingerprints for user. participantTwo:(1097570-1100590): You might need to hours for the fingerprints for user. participantTwo:(1100590-1100770): It. participantOne:(1100590-1100770): It. participantOne:(1100870-1101810): Yeah, exactly. participantTwo:(1100870-1101810): Yeah, exactly. participantTwo:(1101810-1105870): But the, um, but, but yeah, so yeah, you're exactly, right. participantOne:(1101810-1105870): But the, um, but, but yeah, so yeah, you're exactly, right. participantTwo:(1105870-1106550): Travis. participantOne:(1105870-1106550): Travis. participantOne:(1106750-1111350): I promise you the first order business from whoever would have been to get those fingerprints. participantTwo:(1106750-1111350): I promise you the first order business from whoever would have been to get those fingerprints. participantOne:(1112900-1114680): This is this is good stuff. participantTwo:(1112900-1114680): This is this is good stuff. participantOne:(1114900-1116580): This is good questions. participantTwo:(1114900-1116580): This is good questions. participantTwo:(1117000-1121540): I'm really in Melvin Purvis was he was the boss of Chicago, right. participantOne:(1117000-1121540): I'm really in Melvin Purvis was he was the boss of Chicago, right. participantTwo:(1121600-1126220): So yes, Melvin Purvis was what the in the F the FBI. participantOne:(1121600-1126220): So yes, Melvin Purvis was what the in the F the FBI. participantOne:(1126220-1129300): We called him A C's Todd in the secret service. participantTwo:(1126220-1129300): We called him A C's Todd in the secret service. participantOne:(1129300-1130000): You guys call him. participantTwo:(1129300-1130000): You guys call him. participantTwo:(1130000-1139860): Sacs, but it's the special agent in charge of that field office and, um, so Melvin purpose was in charge of that field office now because he had. participantOne:(1130000-1139860): Sacs, but it's the special agent in charge of that field office and, um, so Melvin purpose was in charge of that field office now because he had. participantOne:(1140700-1143880): Um, he was effectively being in Chicago. participantTwo:(1140700-1143880): Um, he was effectively being in Chicago. participantTwo:(1143980-1148800): Um, so much of the delivery case was was worked out of Chicago. participantOne:(1143980-1148800): Um, so much of the delivery case was was worked out of Chicago. participantTwo:(1149260-1150340): Um, and there's. participantOne:(1149300-1150340): Um, and there's. participantTwo:(1150340-1155320): So much immediate attention on the delivery case a Melvin Purvis. participantOne:(1150340-1155320): So much immediate attention on the delivery case a Melvin Purvis. participantTwo:(1155360-1158840): Actually started getting more publicity Jager Hoover. participantOne:(1155360-1158840): Actually started getting more publicity Jager Hoover. participantTwo:(1158840-1169510): Did and uh, I think, uh, you know at some. a lot of people in the public thought that Melvin Purvis was the director of the FBI rather than Jager Hoover. participantOne:(1158840-1169470): Did and I I think you know at some. a lot of people in the public thought that Melvin Purvis was the director of the FBI rather than Jager <unk>. participantTwo:(1169750-1171490): Well, we can't have that. participantOne:(1169750-1171490): Well, we can't have that. participantOne:(1171550-1174440): Yeah, so it's in <unk>. participantTwo:(1171590-1174530): Yeah, so it's in Jager [laughter]. participantOne:(1174440-1178640): So effectively Hoover a without demoting. participantTwo:(1174570-1181990): So effectively Hoover a without demoting a Purvis per se in other words. participantOne:(1178680-1181980): Uh, her vis per se es in other words. participantOne:(1182020-1195880): He purpose stayed on us as the S A C or the special agent charge, but whoever moved in a guy named Sam Callie who was A I think he held the title of inspector at the time. participantTwo:(1182030-1186170): He purpose stayed on as as the S A C or the special agent charge. participantTwo:(1187000-1196120): But whoever moved in a guy named Sam Callie who was um, I think he held the title of inspector at the time. participantTwo:(1196460-1208160): Um, and and and effectively Callie moves into Chicago and he is whoever's eyes and ears and and effectively has say over whatever happens in Chicago. participantOne:(1196540-1208220): Um, and and and effectively Callie moves into Chicago and he is whoever's eyes and ears and and effectively has say over whatever happens in Chicago. participantTwo:(1208200-1212940): So, um, I guess on paper purpose wasn't demoted. participantOne:(1208260-1212940): So, um, I guess on paper purpose wasn't demoted. participantOne:(1212940-1221980): But effectively he was because of the presence of Callie and now Callie will end up later on being killed in a gun fight against baby faced Nelson. participantTwo:(1212940-1221310): But effectively he was because of the presence of Callie and now Callie will end up later on being killed in a gun fight against baby. participantTwo:(1221310-1222150): Face Nelson. participantOne:(1222610-1225710): Um, but eventually quits the FBI right. participantTwo:(1222610-1225710): Um, but eventually quits the FBI right. participantOne:(1225750-1228210): He does, yeah, yeah, I think California. participantTwo:(1225750-1228270): He does, yeah, he I think California. participantOne:(1228210-1230490): So this all happened 1934. participantTwo:(1228270-1230430): This all happened 1934. participantOne:(1230710-1234390): I wanna say Purvis actually quit the FBI in 1935. participantTwo:(1230710-1234370): I wanna say Purvis actually quit the FBI in 1935. participantOne:(1234630-1236970): Um, and then he was from South Carolina. participantTwo:(1234630-1236970): Um, and then he was from South Carolina. participantTwo:(1236970-1238430): I think maybe a lawyer from there. participantOne:(1236970-1238430): I think maybe a lawyer from there. participantTwo:(1238890-1245550): I don't know what he did in the intervening years, but you know, purpose ends up committing suicide 1960. participantOne:(1238890-1245550): I don't know what he did in the intervening years, but you know, purpose ends up committing suicide 1960. participantOne:(1245750-1247090): And it's, some reports. participantTwo:(1245750-1247090): And it's, some reports. participantOne:(1247090-1249630): I know the deliver 73 movie. participantTwo:(1247090-1249650): I know the deliver 73 movie. participantTwo:(1249790-1253090): Uh, you know at the end of it says that purpose killed himself with the same. participantOne:(1249790-1253090): Uh, you know at the end of it says that purpose killed himself with the same. participantOne:(1253090-1254530): None that he killed villager with. participantTwo:(1253090-1254530): None that he killed villager with. participantOne:(1254530-1255090): Well, that's. participantTwo:(1254530-1255090): Well, that's. participantOne:(1255390-1256230): Actually falls. participantTwo:(1255390-1256230): Actually falls. participantTwo:(1256230-1266150): Because a purpose was not one of the the official shooters and, uh, I'm not sure actually clear what what gone purpose kill himself with. participantOne:(1256230-1266150): Because a purpose was not one of the the official shooters and, uh, I'm not sure actually clear what what gone purpose kill himself with. participantTwo:(1266190-1282690): And I believe or not on that there's, a few questions about about that because, um, I wanna say some issues came out about that might have been around the time that the guy from 19501959 comes forward and says, Hey, I'm dealing sure, you didn't get me. participantOne:(1266190-1282690): And I believe or not on that there's, a few questions about about that because, um, I wanna say some issues came out about that might have been around the time that the guy from 19501959 comes forward and says, Hey, I'm dealing sure, you didn't get me. participantOne:(1283100-1289820): Uh, you know in purpose, the next year commit suicide there's, some some issues or connections with that. participantTwo:(1283100-1289820): Uh, you know in purpose, the next year commit suicide there's, some some issues or connections with that. participantTwo:(1289920-1295020): There's, a got a couple things. participantOne:(1289940-1295020): There's, a got a couple things. participantOne:(1295640-1299800): One you know, purposes, son still alive. participantTwo:(1295680-1299800): One you know, purposes, son still alive. participantOne:(1299840-1316950): All something years old to the gun at Melvin pros, committed suicidal with the owner of the museum in National, Indiana kill himself with the exact same done in the museum. participantTwo:(1299840-1316950): All something years old to the gun at Melvin pros, committed suicidal with the owner of the museum in National, Indiana kill himself with the exact same done in the museum. participantTwo:(1318050-1320150): I never knew that are you serious. participantOne:(1318090-1320150): I never knew that are you serious. participantTwo:(1323360-1324780): Killed himself with the gun. participantOne:(1323360-1324780): Killed himself with the gun. participantTwo:(1324780-1327520): That Purvis killed himself with in the museum. participantOne:(1324780-1327520): That Purvis killed himself with in the museum. participantTwo:(1327560-1329580): Is that what you mind me to remind me of his name? participantOne:(1327560-1329580): Is that what you mind me to remind me of his name? participantTwo:(1329620-1330200): The owner. participantOne:(1329620-1330200): The owner. participantOne:(1330240-1337420): Um, I'll have to hold on I'm gonna bring it up because I forget if I could get it in a multiple choice question. participantTwo:(1330240-1337420): Um, I'll have to hold on I'm gonna bring it up because I forget if I could get it in a multiple choice question. participantOne:(1337580-1339980): Um, well, let me just add this to. participantTwo:(1337580-1339980): Um, well, let me just add this to. participantOne:(1339980-1346680): I think, Purvis goes out to California and helps out technical stuff on movies in Hollywood about FBI. participantTwo:(1339980-1346680): I think, Purvis goes out to California and helps out technical stuff on movies in Hollywood about FBI. participantOne:(1347830-1350470): And he starts the junior G man club. participantTwo:(1347830-1350470): And he starts the junior G man club. participantOne:(1351590-1358450): And at 1. he has like 260000 kids in his G man junior club. participantTwo:(1351590-1358450): And at 1. he has like 260000 kids in his G man junior club. participantOne:(1358490-1371110): Yeah, and yeah, I mean, all this stuff he you know, kinda opinions Hoover and you know, and and so her over seas purposes, competition man, because you know the public sees purposes, the man that got delivered. participantTwo:(1358490-1371110): Yeah, and yeah, I mean, all this stuff he you know, kinda opinions Hoover and you know, and and so her over seas purposes, competition man, because you know the public sees purposes, the man that got delivered. participantTwo:(1371110-1375530): Not Hoover and his name is Joe Pinkston, Joe Pinkston. participantOne:(1371110-1375530): Not Hoover and his name is Joe Pinkston, Joe Pinkston. participantOne:(1375530-1376470): Yeah, yeah. participantTwo:(1375530-1376470): Yeah, yeah. participantTwo:(1377500-1382420): Wow, I never knew that ma'am that is breaking news here on the digging up billing or podcast. participantOne:(1377500-1382420): Wow, I never knew that ma'am that is breaking news here on the digging up billing or podcast. participantTwo:(1382420-1384700): Wow, don't don't be thrown around breaking news. participantOne:(1382420-1384700): Wow, don't don't be thrown around breaking news. participantOne:(1384740-1389360): Stewart you're, not that's, right I'm, not the journalist here. participantTwo:(1384740-1389360): Stewart you're, not that's, right I'm, not the journalist here. participantOne:(1389360-1390360): Sorry, now, I'll, tell you. participantTwo:(1389360-1390360): Sorry, now, I'll, tell you. participantOne:(1390360-1392220): I did first of all breaking news. participantTwo:(1390360-1392220): I did first of all breaking news. participantTwo:(1392460-1395980): This is another sidebar, but breaking news is the dumbest thing. participantOne:(1392460-1395980): This is another sidebar, but breaking news is the dumbest thing. participantTwo:(1396020-1402400): I think that news does cause it's break breaking because it's just as a it's a word to catch your attention. participantOne:(1396020-1402380): I think that news does cause it's break breaking because it's just as a it's a word to catch your attention. participantTwo:(1402540-1408400): Yeah, and and nothing can be breaking really in this podcast unless we go out and do something. participantOne:(1402540-1408400): Yeah, and and nothing can be breaking really in this podcast unless we go out and do something. participantTwo:(1409320-1411860): And it's it's happening. participantOne:(1409320-1411860): And it's it's happening. participantOne:(1412000-1414280): But yeah, yeah, that's really interesting, Travis. participantTwo:(1412000-1414280): But yeah, yeah, that's really interesting, Travis. participantTwo:(1414280-1415720): Good good job man that's. participantOne:(1414280-1415720): Good good job man that's. participantTwo:(1415760-1419560): Yeah, well I didn't know that one you know, to clear the air ways. participantOne:(1415760-1419560): Yeah, well I didn't know that one you know, to clear the air ways. participantTwo:(1419560-1422220): Clear the airway [laughter]. participantOne:(1419560-1422220): Clear the airway [laughter]. participantOne:(1422260-1424020): Well, there's there's there's. participantTwo:(1422260-1424020): Well, there's there's there's. participantTwo:(1424060-1431300): I don't know if this is true, but I've always heard it that he did it at the foot of delivers wax figure. participantOne:(1424060-1431300): I don't know if this is true, but I've always heard it that he did it at the foot of delivers wax figure. participantOne:(1431600-1433480): I I don't know if that's true. participantTwo:(1431600-1433480): I I don't know if that's true. participantOne:(1433480-1435240): I don't know, <unk>. participantTwo:(1433480-1435240): I don't know, <unk>. participantTwo:(1436680-1437660): Wow, I'm. participantOne:(1436680-1437660): Wow, I'm. participantOne:(1438020-1439060): Looking at it. participantTwo:(1438020-1439100): Looking at it. participantTwo:(1439660-1442240): I mean, I've always heard that I've always heard that that's. participantOne:(1439660-1442240): I mean, I've always heard that I've always heard that that's. participantTwo:(1442240-1448120): How it went down, but I mean, again, you know, I was and a little kid? participantOne:(1442240-1448120): How it went down, but I mean, again, you know, I was and a little kid? participantTwo:(1448120-1450160): So I where's the today. participantOne:(1448120-1450160): So I where's the today. participantOne:(1451690-1456910): I'm, not sure where that again is so I think the the entire contents of that museum. participantTwo:(1451690-1456910): I'm, not sure where that again is so I think the the entire contents of that museum. participantTwo:(1456910-1458370): Did they end up with that? participantOne:(1456910-1458370): Did they end up with that? participantOne:(1458370-1462430): The South shore Indiana replace or whatever. participantTwo:(1458370-1462430): The South shore Indiana replace or whatever. participantOne:(1463520-1464080): Yeah. participantTwo:(1463520-1464080): Yeah. participantOne:(1465400-1466980): Yep, South shore. participantTwo:(1465400-1466980): Yep, South shore. participantOne:(1468090-1469470): Visitors Bureau. participantTwo:(1468090-1469410): Visitors Bureau. participantTwo:(1469450-1471190): Yeah, it's in Hammond, Indiana. participantOne:(1469510-1471190): Yeah, it's in Hammond, Indiana. participantOne:(1471230-1471650): Yep. participantTwo:(1471250-1471650): Yep. participantOne:(1473000-1475320): They had a little deliver museum up there for a while. participantTwo:(1473000-1475320): They had a little deliver museum up there for a while. participantOne:(1476610-1477890): Yeah, that's. participantTwo:(1476610-1488430): Yeah, that I think that's one of our major problems is not problems, but challenges is where we have to track down a lot of this a lot of these are to fax over time we start. participantOne:(1477890-1488430): I think that's one of our major problems is not problems, but challenges is where we have to track down a lot of this a lot of these are to fax over time we start. participantTwo:(1488470-1490290): We start losing them and Travis. participantOne:(1488470-1490290): We start losing them and Travis. participantOne:(1490290-1495870): You you know that too from just you know, obviously being a part of the family and being a part of these museums. participantTwo:(1490290-1495870): You you know that too from just you know, obviously being a part of the family and being a part of these museums. participantOne:(1495870-1498670): They close some of them close down like Crown. that one's done. participantTwo:(1495870-1498670): They close some of them close down like Crown. that one's done. participantOne:(1500000-1500420): Right. participantTwo:(1500000-1500420): Right. participantOne:(1500420-1510620): Yeah, well that was that that that that actually was, um, that was the same thing that that's where that the South shore thing started was at the Crown. participantTwo:(1500420-1510620): Yeah, well that was that that that that actually was, um, that was the same thing that that's where that the South shore thing started was at the Crown. participantOne:(1510620-1517180): And there was some lawsuit issues that a you know, I guess we won't get into, but you know, yeah. participantTwo:(1510620-1517200): And there was some lawsuit issues that a you know, I guess we won't get into, but you know, yeah. participantOne:(1518660-1519860): The fax thing. participantTwo:(1518660-1519860): The fax thing. participantTwo:(1519860-1522880): I'm hearing about is that the Crown. jail. participantOne:(1519860-1522880): I'm hearing about is that the Crown. jail. participantOne:(1523640-1528600): Or from withheld at is also closed due to some issues with. participantTwo:(1523640-1528600): Or from withheld at is also closed due to some issues with. participantOne:(1528640-1533440): Um, I'll know, what's going on up there with the town or or something. participantTwo:(1528640-1533440): Um, I'll know, what's going on up there with the town or or something. participantTwo:(1533440-1539620): But that's what I've heard that's a really cool place really cool. participantOne:(1533440-1539620): But that's what I've heard that's a really cool place really cool. participantTwo:(1539660-1540320): Yes. participantOne:(1539660-1540320): Yes. participantTwo:(1541690-1548950): If you'd like to help the Crown. jail, please email us at digging up billing at Gmail. com. participantOne:(1541690-1548950): If you'd like to help the Crown. jail, please email us at digging up billing at Gmail. com. participantTwo:(1549430-1550570): Um, guys. participantOne:(1549430-1550570): Um, guys. participantOne:(1550570-1554010): We have we've kinda diverged and I know. participantTwo:(1550570-1554010): We have we've kinda diverged and I know. participantTwo:(1554050-1557250): Okay, my job is host is to kind of write the check here. participantOne:(1554050-1557250): Okay, my job is host is to kind of write the check here. participantTwo:(1557290-1558770): Yep, Ramos back in we're. participantOne:(1557290-1558770): Yep, Ramos back in we're. participantOne:(1558770-1559290): Having fun. participantTwo:(1558770-1559290): Having fun. participantTwo:(1559290-1559970): If you know. participantOne:(1559290-1559970): If you know. participantOne:(1561140-1565060): Frankly, if you guys have a problem with us going off on these cool stories. participantTwo:(1561140-1564980): Frankly, if you guys have a problem with us going off on these cool stories. participantOne:(1565280-1566360): Forget about you. participantTwo:(1565280-1566360): Forget about you. participantTwo:(1566360-1572100): All right, you can you know, kick rocks, but this is the this is an advantage cylinder. participantOne:(1566360-1572100): All right, you can you know, kick rocks, but this is the this is an advantage cylinder. participantOne:(1572100-1573540): We told you this at the beginning. participantTwo:(1572100-1573540): We told you this at the beginning. participantTwo:(1573880-1575040): I'm gonna bring this back. participantOne:(1573880-1575040): I'm gonna bring this back. participantTwo:(1575080-1578000): Let's let's, read it back into the missing scars. participantOne:(1575080-1578000): Let's let's, read it back into the missing scars. participantOne:(1578160-1580900): Um, we we just talked about the missing tooth. participantTwo:(1578160-1580900): Um, we we just talked about the missing tooth. participantTwo:(1581760-1582840): It's interesting. participantOne:(1581760-1582840): It's interesting. participantTwo:(1582880-1584020): I don't know how I feel about it. participantOne:(1582880-1584020): I don't know how I feel about it. participantTwo:(1584060-1584320): Don't. participantOne:(1584060-1584320): Don't. participantOne:(1584320-1586900): You know, on a schedule one to 10 how much is it? participantTwo:(1584320-1586900): You know, on a schedule one to 10 how much is it? participantOne:(1586900-1587520): Influencing. participantTwo:(1586900-1587520): Influencing. participantOne:(1587520-1597540): My my thoughts on whether it's him or not I'd say it's, right in the middle at a five like it's, not pushing me towards him and pushing me away from it's, not him. participantTwo:(1587520-1597540): My my thoughts on whether it's him or not I'd say it's, right in the middle at a five like it's, not pushing me towards him and pushing me away from it's, not him. participantOne:(1597680-1598580): I don't know. participantTwo:(1597680-1598580): I don't know. participantTwo:(1598620-1598980): I can't. participantOne:(1598620-1598980): I can't. participantTwo:(1598980-1599560): I can't really. participantOne:(1598980-1599580): I can't really. participantTwo:(1599940-1601560): I I think it's interesting for sure. participantOne:(1599940-1601560): I I think it's interesting for sure. participantOne:(1601560-1602820): It's, another question. participantTwo:(1601560-1602820): It's, another question. participantOne:(1603220-1604880): You guys, how you guys feel about. participantTwo:(1603220-1604880): You guys, how you guys feel about. participantOne:(1606220-1608360): So again about the missing tooth. participantTwo:(1606220-1608360): So again about the missing tooth. participantOne:(1608880-1616080): Yeah, so again this is all circumstantial evidence and again, I think we've talked about you know, most people don't. participantTwo:(1608900-1616120): Yeah, so again this is all circumstantial evidence and again, I think we've talked about you know, most people don't. participantOne:(1616260-1620860): They consider will circumstantial evidence is somehow inferior somehow not credible. participantTwo:(1616300-1620860): They consider will circumstantial evidence is somehow inferior somehow not credible. participantOne:(1620860-1624060): You you can't you know if it's circumstantial, you have to discount it. participantTwo:(1620860-1624060): You you can't you know if it's circumstantial, you have to discount it. participantTwo:(1624320-1630280): Nothing could be further from the truth in reality because you know a think about the term smoking gone. participantOne:(1624320-1630280): Nothing could be further from the truth in reality because you know a think about the term smoking gone. participantTwo:(1630480-1631740): Oh. you know that that. participantOne:(1630480-1631740): Oh. you know that that. participantTwo:(1631780-1632920): Well, what's the smoking. participantOne:(1631780-1632920): Well, what's the smoking. participantTwo:(1632920-1633640): None of the case. participantOne:(1632920-1633640): None of the case. participantOne:(1633640-1653860): Well guess what a smoking gun is circumstantial evidence a direct witness testimony is is is direct evidence and as we've said before sometimes it can be very unreliable and so many times you need you need a circumstantial evidence to establish the contacts for the direct evidence. participantTwo:(1633640-1653860): Well guess what a smoking gun is circumstantial evidence a direct witness testimony is is is direct evidence and as we've said before sometimes it can be very unreliable and so many times you need you need a circumstantial evidence to establish the contacts for the direct evidence. participantTwo:(1654470-1659310): So you know, uh, the again, the tooth by itself. participantOne:(1654470-1659330): So you know, uh, the again, the tooth by itself. participantOne:(1659390-1669030): If someone said, oh. the whole cylinder case hinges on the on this missing tooth and the and the the the pathologist did not described that in the report. participantTwo:(1659390-1669030): If someone said, oh. the whole cylinder case hinges on the on this missing tooth and the and the the the pathologist did not described that in the report. participantTwo:(1669830-1670950): Uh, I'd say. participantOne:(1669830-1670950): Uh, I'd say. participantTwo:(1671170-1671810): So what. participantOne:(1671210-1671810): So what. participantTwo:(1671850-1672590): No big deal. participantOne:(1671850-1672590): No big deal. participantOne:(1672710-1682330): Uh, let's move on, but you know everything combined with it, you have to take what we're talking about in the contacts of all these things. participantTwo:(1672710-1682330): Uh, let's move on, but you know everything combined with it, you have to take what we're talking about in the contacts of all these things. participantOne:(1682430-1683010): And that's. participantTwo:(1682450-1683010): And that's. participantTwo:(1683010-1687970): What initially when I started looking into this taking this in the contacts of everything? participantOne:(1683010-1687950): What initially when I started looking into this taking this in the contacts of everything? participantOne:(1687950-1689090): I just kept going. participantTwo:(1687970-1689090): I just kept going. participantTwo:(1689170-1691530): I can't believe how many things there are here? participantOne:(1689210-1691530): I can't believe how many things there are here? participantOne:(1691590-1698730): That that all seem to you know, go to the same thing like, well, it just, you don't have a positive identification. participantTwo:(1691590-1698730): That that all seem to you know, go to the same thing like, well, it just, you don't have a positive identification. participantTwo:(1698730-1699370): Villager. participantOne:(1698730-1699370): Villager. participantTwo:(1699930-1700670): I love it. participantOne:(1699930-1700670): I love it. participantOne:(1700870-1703710): I love it and and how you look like you're gonna say something. participantTwo:(1700870-1703710): I love it and and how you look like you're gonna say something. participantTwo:(1703750-1711660): Yeah, I was gonna say you know if you if you thought about the off topic that night if the FBI would've brought the body and said, Hey, we just found the spot in the op. participantOne:(1703750-1713980): Yeah, I was gonna say you know if you if you thought about the off topic that night if the FBI would've brought the body and said, Hey, we just found the spot in the op Valley, how did this person died? participantTwo:(1711700-1713980): Allie, how did this person died? participantTwo:(1714220-1716160): Maybe they would have been more done to it. participantOne:(1714260-1716160): Maybe they would have been more done to it. participantOne:(1716200-1719860): But I think they presented it at the autopsy like this is John villager. participantTwo:(1716200-1719860): But I think they presented it at the autopsy like this is John villager. participantOne:(1719860-1732370): We shot him it's not going to trial it's it's not going to court and, um, and it's just the autopsies just done quickly and and again is this something that he could have overlooked by just quickly trying to get it done. participantTwo:(1719860-1732370): We shot him it's not going to trial it's it's not going to court and, um, and it's just the autopsies just done quickly and and again is this something that he could have overlooked by just quickly trying to get it done. participantOne:(1732490-1739490): Yep, yeah, and I think honestly the that is the most the most reasonable explanation that's, most likely what happened. participantTwo:(1732490-1739490): Yep, yeah, and I think honestly the that is the most the most reasonable explanation that's, most likely what happened. participantTwo:(1740170-1740870): I love it. participantOne:(1740170-1740810): I love it. participantOne:(1741250-1745290): I I also think we need to put historical contacts on this as well. participantTwo:(1741270-1745290): I I also think we need to put historical contacts on this as well. participantOne:(1746360-1750780): The way I look at it is think about the social. participantTwo:(1746360-1750780): The way I look at it is think about the social. participantOne:(1750780-1755020): Phenomena that was John over a year time, right. participantTwo:(1750780-1755020): Phenomena that was John over a year time, right. participantTwo:(1755020-1756740): 14 month period. participantOne:(1755020-1756700): 14 month period. participantOne:(1758010-1759650): And then now, we're looking at it. participantTwo:(1758010-1759650): And then now, we're looking at it. participantOne:(1759650-1764690): 90 years, maybe we're putting too much weight on like, oh. he was he's. participantTwo:(1759650-1764690): 90 years, maybe we're putting too much weight on like, oh. he was he's. participantTwo:(1764690-1772770): So, famous like he really was, but like also were we you know our glorifying him years later and we're looking into this mystery because we're putting so much. participantOne:(1764690-1772770): So, famous like he really was, but like also were we you know our glorifying him years later and we're looking into this mystery because we're putting so much. participantTwo:(1772770-1774770): An emphasis on it. participantOne:(1772770-1774770): An emphasis on it. participantTwo:(1775300-1779960): Maybe maybe you know, think about it like this guy's been running for 14 months. participantOne:(1775300-1779960): Maybe maybe you know, think about it like this guy's been running for 14 months. participantTwo:(1779960-1781120): It's only been a year. participantOne:(1779960-1781120): It's only been a year. participantOne:(1781160-1782140): Yeah, he's a social. participantTwo:(1781160-1782140): Yeah, he's a social. participantTwo:(1782140-1782200): <unk>. participantOne:(1782140-1782200): <unk>. participantTwo:(1782200-1783700): But he's a fad, right. participantOne:(1782200-1783700): But he's a fad, right. participantTwo:(1783700-1791500): He was it was something that came up and it came down and this was the end of him and it was kinda like all right, it it it's not like we're asking you know. participantOne:(1783700-1791480): He was it was something that came up and it came down and this was the end of him and it was kinda like all right, it it it's not like we're asking you know. participantOne:(1791660-1795640): Um, you know, one of the one, the President's died right. participantTwo:(1791660-1795640): Um, you know, one of the one, the President's died right. participantOne:(1795640-1806180): And and this is the autopsy it's, not like that that that doctor kerns like this is the autopsy like J F K is autopsy where it's like, oh my gosh, this is the biggest thing in history. participantTwo:(1795640-1806240): And and this is the autopsy it's, not like that that that doctor kerns like this is the autopsy like J F K is autopsy where it's like, oh my gosh, this is the biggest thing in history. participantTwo:(1806420-1813740): You know, it was just kind of like it was it was a gangster who ran and got shot and killed by the, you know, we're putting away more emphasis on it. participantOne:(1806420-1813740): You know, it was just kind of like it was it was a gangster who ran and got shot and killed by the, you know, we're putting away more emphasis on it. participantOne:(1813740-1814240): So maybe. participantTwo:(1813740-1814240): So maybe. participantOne:(1815100-1820000): Bring it back down in at least in my mind, bringing it back into reality of let's. participantTwo:(1815100-1820000): Bring it back down in at least in my mind, bringing it back into reality of let's. participantOne:(1820000-1822500): Go back and put ourselves in that moment. participantTwo:(1820000-1822500): Go back and put ourselves in that moment. participantOne:(1822640-1830040): It's, not as big to them as it is it would be to us if we were there now time traveling back to the time travel conversation. participantTwo:(1822640-1830040): It's, not as big to them as it is it would be to us if we were there now time traveling back to the time travel conversation. participantOne:(1831520-1832480): On that. participantTwo:(1831520-1832480): On that. participantTwo:(1833630-1835810): Now if they 00% believe it was in. participantOne:(1833630-1835810): Now if they 00% believe it was in. participantTwo:(1836190-1837370): Yeah, they did the report. participantOne:(1836190-1837350): Yeah, they did the report. participantOne:(1837470-1838390): We notify them. participantTwo:(1837470-1838350): We notify them. participantOne:(1838510-1845470): Why would they still come why would agent still come back to the family after the fact months after the fact? participantTwo:(1838570-1845470): Why would they still come why would agent still come back to the family after the fact month after the fact? participantOne:(1846890-1853370): Yeah, show up and show up with John senior at cemetery at the gravesite, right. participantTwo:(1846890-1853370): Yeah, show up and show up with John senior at cemetery at the gravesite, right. participantOne:(1853410-1856810): Seems like you're leading leading are listeners into a into what. participantTwo:(1853410-1856810): Seems like you're leading leading are listeners into a into what. participantTwo:(1856810-1859810): We're gonna talk about a little bit later to Travis I'm. participantOne:(1856810-1859810): We're gonna talk about a little bit later to Travis I'm. participantTwo:(1859810-1861570): Sorry, I did this brand this. participantOne:(1859810-1861570): Sorry, I did this brand this. participantOne:(1862710-1863290): I understand. participantTwo:(1862710-1863290): I understand. participantTwo:(1863290-1864130): We're looking at it. participantOne:(1863290-1864130): We're looking at it. participantOne:(1864170-1864770): This way. participantTwo:(1864170-1864770): This way. participantTwo:(1864770-1871230): I'm just certain things like that like if we're done, you know, he's done, yes, you know, that's. participantOne:(1864770-1871230): I'm just certain things like that like if we're done, you know, he's done, yes, you know, that's. participantTwo:(1871230-1874230): Why I'm like wondering, did they purposely hurry? participantOne:(1871230-1874230): Why I'm like wondering, did they purposely hurry? participantTwo:(1874230-1875110): This up. participantOne:(1874230-1875110): This up. participantOne:(1875190-1880910): Yeah, so you know, again, Joe, you make a very reasonable. and that's. participantTwo:(1875190-1880910): Yeah, so you know, again, Joe, you make a very reasonable. and that's. participantOne:(1880950-1889690): What I want to stress is that each one of these things that we. out that regarding this autopsy and some other things actually not related to the autopsy there's? participantTwo:(1880950-1889690): What I want to stress is that each one of these things that we. out that regarding this autopsy and some other things actually not related to the autopsy there's? participantOne:(1889730-1891670): You know that the maybe question. participantTwo:(1889730-1891670): You know that the maybe question. participantTwo:(1891670-1895510): The identity, villager is again. participantOne:(1891670-1895510): The identity, villager is again. participantOne:(1895550-1905790): This stuff has to be taken in contact it has to be taken that that that you know, there's a certain number of them and and again, I'll allude to this again about the Pearl necklace. participantTwo:(1895550-1905790): This stuff has to be taken in contact it has to be taken that that that you know, there's a certain number of them and and again, I'll allude to this again about the Pearl necklace. participantTwo:(1905830-1909950): So you don't have a necklace until you have a certain number of pearls on it right. participantOne:(1905830-1909950): So you don't have a necklace until you have a certain number of pearls on it right. participantTwo:(1910560-1912000): Um, and that's the thing. participantOne:(1910560-1912000): Um, and that's the thing. participantOne:(1912000-1913720): There's a certain tipping. and there's. participantTwo:(1912000-1913720): There's a certain tipping. and there's. participantOne:(1913720-1914700): No there's. participantTwo:(1913720-1914700): No there's. participantOne:(1914700-1915160): No hard. participantTwo:(1914700-1915160): No hard. participantOne:(1915160-1924020): And fast rule of where that tipping. is is when you have enough evidence to really question, something because every case every investigation. participantTwo:(1915160-1924020): And fast rule of where that tipping. is is when you have enough evidence to really question, something because every case every investigation. participantTwo:(1924020-1930920): No matter what it is has some anomalous or some un answered or mysterious aspects to it. participantOne:(1924020-1930920): No matter what it is has some anonymous or some un answered or mysterious aspects to it. participantOne:(1930920-1932420): That you just don't have answers for. participantTwo:(1930920-1932420): That you just don't have answers for. participantTwo:(1933200-1939880): Um, uh, also every investigation has some kind of administrative or human mistake. participantOne:(1933200-1939940): Um, uh, also every investigation has some kind of administrative or human mistake. participantTwo:(1940260-1942920): A where something is overlooked. participantOne:(1940260-1942920): A where something is overlooked. participantTwo:(1942980-1946860): Something is just you know some aspect of investigation is not done. participantOne:(1942980-1946860): Something is just you know some aspect of investigation is not done. participantTwo:(1946920-1947300): It's. participantOne:(1946920-1947300): It's. participantOne:(1947300-1949600): Nothing necessarily nefarious or correct. participantTwo:(1947300-1949600): Nothing necessarily nefarious or correct. participantOne:(1949920-1954540): It's just that you were dealing with human beings in all aspects of these things. participantTwo:(1949920-1954540): It's just that you were dealing with human beings in all aspects of these things. participantTwo:(1954540-1955240): And human beings. participantOne:(1954540-1955240): And human beings. participantTwo:(1955240-1956160): Make mistakes. participantOne:(1955240-1956160): Make mistakes. participantOne:(1956400-1963460): And so you know, again, there's a certain number of of mistakes that just they're gonna happen in the course of a case. participantTwo:(1956440-1963460): And so you know, again, there's a certain number of of mistakes that just they're gonna happen in the course of a case. participantTwo:(1963500-1976380): They're, just they're just going to happen and but you have to have to ask yourself when when do you say man there's, just so many of these unexplained things are so many streaming. participantOne:(1963500-1976380): They're, just they're just going to happen and but you have to have to ask yourself when when do you say man there's, just so many of these unexplained things are so many streaming. participantTwo:(1976380-1977640): Mistakes here. participantOne:(1976380-1977640): Mistakes here. participantTwo:(1977800-1984600): When do we really start questioning it and that's that's just the. I got to where I said had I been the case agent on this? participantOne:(1977820-1984600): When do we really start questioning it and that's that's just the. I got to where I said had I been the case agent on this? participantOne:(1984640-1988420): I I just wouldn't have been satisfied with all these un answered questions. participantTwo:(1984640-1988420): I I just wouldn't have been satisfied with all these un answered questions. participantOne:(1988460-1991080): Yeah, yeah, at some. they seem overwhelming. participantTwo:(1988460-1991060): Yeah, yeah, at some. they seem overwhelming. participantTwo:(1991100-1991500): Yeah. participantOne:(1991120-1991520): Yeah. participantTwo:(1992320-1993240): Especially at night. participantOne:(1992320-1993240): Especially at night. participantTwo:(1993340-1996860): Why don't they go to an S ages apartment and search it exactly? participantOne:(1993340-1996860): Why don't they go to an S agent apartment and search it exactly? participantTwo:(1996900-2000020): Yes, that I mean that just, Ah, my God that should've been done. participantOne:(1996900-2000020): Yes, that I mean that just, Ah, my God that should've been done. participantOne:(2000380-2001880): Someone should have stayed with her. participantTwo:(2000380-2001880): Someone should have stayed with her. participantTwo:(2001920-2003180): They, but they let her go. participantOne:(2001920-2003180): They, but they let her go. participantOne:(2003630-2004510): No one went with her. participantTwo:(2003640-2004500): No one went with her. participantTwo:(2004500-2005300): No one escorted. participantOne:(2004510-2005290): No one escorted. participantOne:(2005290-2006790): Her it's just like Hey, we got him. participantTwo:(2005300-2006780): Her it's just like Hey, we got him. participantTwo:(2006780-2007320): Okay. participantOne:(2006790-2007310): Okay. participantOne:(2007310-2008230): Hey, see later. participantTwo:(2007320-2008220): Hey, see later. participantTwo:(2008360-2012340): What a weird like that like what a weird thing that is? participantOne:(2008370-2012370): What a weird like that like what a weird thing that is? participantTwo:(2012420-2013340): Yeah, I know. participantOne:(2012490-2013350): Yeah, I know. participantTwo:(2013380-2016580): No, absolutely should but she should have been detained right there. participantOne:(2013390-2016570): No, absolutely should she should have been detained right there. participantOne:(2017140-2019620): Um, and see what what we haven't. participantTwo:(2017140-2019620): Um, and see what what we haven't. participantTwo:(2019620-2023200): All also said was not only was dealings with Anna, Sage. participantOne:(2019620-2023200): All also said was not only was dealings with Anna, Sage. participantOne:(2023200-2023620): That night. participantTwo:(2023200-2023620): That night. participantTwo:(2023620-2028120): He was, he was actually I guess dating maybe is the word. participantOne:(2023620-2028120): He was, he was actually I guess dating maybe is the word. participantTwo:(2028360-2045000): Um, one of Anna girls, whatever the reviewer wants to take from that because Anna, Sage was Adam, but deliver was was dating a lady named poly Hamilton and that was his, you know, I guess that was his girlfriend at the time. participantOne:(2028360-2045000): Um, one of Anna girls, whatever the reviewer wants to take from that because Anna, Sage was Adam, but deliver was was dating a lady named poly Hamilton and that was his, you know, I guess that was his girlfriend at the time. participantTwo:(2045040-2048380): So deliver was with an S age and poly Hamlin. participantOne:(2045040-2048380): So deliver was with an S age and poly Hamlin. participantTwo:(2049630-2051810): Um, both Hamilton. participantOne:(2049630-2051810): Um, both Hamilton. participantTwo:(2051850-2054270): And Sage were allowed to leave that night. participantOne:(2051850-2054270): And Sage were allowed to leave that night. participantOne:(2054310-2058570): So I mean, you know, has been on the run for 14 months. participantTwo:(2054310-2058530): So I mean, you know, has been on the run for 14 months. participantTwo:(2058630-2061250): They didn't have a clue where he was. participantOne:(2058630-2061250): They didn't have a clue where he was. participantOne:(2061310-2074110): Um, after a little <unk>, Mia and you know where civilian was killed as we pointed out and so you know, you would think that that an sh and poly Hamilton. participantTwo:(2061310-2074110): Um, after a little <unk>, Mia and you know where civilian was killed as we pointed out and so you know, you would think that that an sh and poly Hamilton. participantOne:(2074110-2076550): Have been with him for the last month at least. participantTwo:(2074110-2076550): Have been with him for the last month at least. participantTwo:(2077540-2079280): You wanna fill those blanks in. participantOne:(2077540-2079280): You wanna fill those blanks in. participantTwo:(2079280-2085680): I mean, because at this., not you know, you've got maybe villager, but they're they're. participantOne:(2079280-2085680): I mean, because at this., not you know, you've got maybe villager, but they're they're. participantTwo:(2085720-2090980): All the members of the villager games are still on the run a Dellinger was with a Homer. participantOne:(2085720-2089620): All the members of the villager games are still on the run a deliver. participantOne:(2089620-2090980): Was with a Homer. participantOne:(2090980-2091560): Vanmeter. participantTwo:(2090980-2091560): Vanmeter. participantOne:(2091560-2097380): Most of those last few weeks and months of his life a man. participantTwo:(2091560-2097380): Most of those last few weeks and months of his life a man. participantOne:(2098240-2101140): An sh poly Hamilton could've given you so much. participantTwo:(2098240-2101140): An sh poly Hamilton could've given you so much. participantOne:(2101140-2106540): Intelligent on on on what else is going on cash that information. participantTwo:(2101140-2106540): Intelligent on on on what else is going on cash that information. participantTwo:(2106580-2107320): Yeah, absolutely. participantOne:(2106580-2107320): Yeah, absolutely. participantTwo:(2107320-2109000): And you let them go that night. participantOne:(2107320-2109000): And you let them go that night. participantTwo:(2109040-2110920): That's, just nuts, a. participantOne:(2109040-2110920): That's, just nuts, a. participantTwo:(2111800-2115760): Treated to in my mind a they're, just infants FBI inference. participantOne:(2111800-2115760): Treated to in my mind a they're, just infants FBI inference. participantOne:(2115800-2127940): You know, this is just a new process and they're just not thinking clearly and like you know what we know in hindsight 2020 and yes, there is absolutely some element of that. participantTwo:(2115800-2127940): You know, this is just a new process and they're just not thinking clearly and like you know what we know in hindsight 2020 and yes, there is absolutely some element of that. participantOne:(2127980-2131020): Because a lot of this was knew this was a new kind of crime. participantTwo:(2127980-2131020): Because a lot of this was knew this was a new kind of crime. participantTwo:(2131020-2136760): This was a new kind of a thing that the had never really been experienced before in law enforcement. participantOne:(2131020-2136740): This was a new kind of a thing that the had never really been experienced before in law enforcement. participantOne:(2136780-2155160): So yes, there is a certain element of that, but but regardless it just seems that common sense just says and you know, and again, I'm, maybe I'm by it's, just looking at through mater eyes, but um, it just common sense just says, oh. my God, let's, they need to stay here. participantTwo:(2136800-2155160): So yes, there is a certain element of that, but but regardless it just seems that common sense just says and you know, and again, I'm, maybe I'm by it's, just looking at through mater eyes, but um, it just common sense just says, oh. my God, let's, they need to stay here. participantOne:(2155160-2157520): I know we somebody needs to go talk to them. participantTwo:(2155160-2157500): I know we somebody needs to go talk to them. participantTwo:(2157500-2158860): We need to get all the info. participantOne:(2157520-2158860): We need to get all the info. participantOne:(2158860-2159600): We can from them. participantTwo:(2158860-2159600): We can from them. participantOne:(2160890-2165050): But you know to cut them some slack in this investigation when we talk about little Bohemia. participantTwo:(2160890-2165050): But you know to cut them some slack in this investigation when we talk about little Bohemia. participantTwo:(2165190-2167350): We know that they found a gun there. participantOne:(2165210-2167390): We know that they found a gun there. participantTwo:(2167750-2168290): The FBI. participantOne:(2167750-2168290): The FBI. participantOne:(2168290-2171570): Recovers a pistol and I think they track it from the manufacturer. participantTwo:(2168290-2171570): Recovers a pistol and I think they track it from the manufacturer. participantTwo:(2171570-2174710): They track it down to Fort worth Texas. participantOne:(2171570-2174710): They track it down to Fort worth Texas. participantOne:(2175070-2176770): Where the manufacturer sold it to? participantTwo:(2175090-2176290): Where the manufacturer has sold? participantTwo:(2176290-2177980): It to they go through records. participantOne:(2176850-2177970): They go through records. participantOne:(2177970-2178690): Fort worth sold. participantTwo:(2177980-2178700): Fort worth sold. participantOne:(2178690-2179970): It to a guy in San Antonio. participantTwo:(2178700-2180220): It to a guy in San Antonio. participantTwo:(2180520-2181360): The FBI interview. participantOne:(2180580-2196480): The FBI in review the guy in San Antonio and they asked about villager, but the FBI agent in San Antonio don't, have a picture of villager to show the guy if if that he bought that now again, we're, looking at this in 2024 and you can't even believe that they wouldn't have a picture, exactly. participantTwo:(2181360-2196480): The guy in San Antonio and they asked about villager, but the FBI agent in San Antonio don't, have a picture of villager to show the guy if if that he bought that now again, we're, looking at this in 2024 and you can't even believe that they wouldn't have a picture, exactly. participantTwo:(2196540-2196860): Yeah. participantOne:(2196540-2196860): Yeah. participantTwo:(2198040-2209980): Or somebody somebody that they're gonna positively identify where they're confident enough to to actually fire bullets at you know, just a you know, a month later or less it's crazy. participantOne:(2198040-2209980): Or somebody somebody that they're gonna positively identify where they're confident enough to to actually fire bullets at you know, just a you know, a month later or less it's crazy. participantOne:(2209980-2210480): That's. participantTwo:(2209980-2210480): That's. participantOne:(2210520-2211240): This. participantTwo:(2210520-2211240): This. participantTwo:(2213250-2216370): Exactly is what we're talking about, but what's even crazier than that. participantOne:(2213250-2216370): Exactly is what we're talking about, but what's even crazier than that. participantTwo:(2216410-2222490): We know that John injured left stuff in his room in little Bohemia. participantOne:(2216410-2222490): We know that John injured left stuff in his room in little Bohemia. participantOne:(2222530-2224810): Yep, and how do we know that voice? participantTwo:(2222530-2224850): Yep, and how do we know that voice? participantOne:(2225070-2231520): Well, I know it because I saw it a there's actually a suitcase up at little Bohemia. participantTwo:(2225070-2231520): Well, I know it because I saw it a there's actually a suitcase up at little Bohemia. participantOne:(2231560-2232400): Uh, at that. participantTwo:(2231560-2232400): Uh, at that. participantTwo:(2232400-2236520): And and I think Travis, you guys actually have some some of that stuff as well. participantOne:(2232400-2236560): And and I think Travis, you guys actually have some some of that stuff as well. participantTwo:(2236820-2237560): Um, we did. participantOne:(2236820-2237560): Um, we did. participantOne:(2237560-2246900): We did have the suitcase that was sent back and it had other game members closing artifacts and John's and ring. participantTwo:(2237560-2246900): We did have the suitcase that was sent back and it had other game members closing artifacts and John's and ring. participantOne:(2247540-2249480): Was all in inside the suitcase. participantTwo:(2247540-2249460): Was all in inside the suitcase. participantTwo:(2249500-2251680): Yep, and you have that ring today. participantOne:(2249520-2251680): Yep, and you have that ring today. participantOne:(2251680-2252280): Travis. participantTwo:(2251680-2252280): Travis. participantOne:(2252400-2254760): I do I just don't have it on right now. participantTwo:(2252400-2254760): I do I just don't have it on right now. participantTwo:(2254800-2256600): Yeah, it just doesn't wear it everyday. participantOne:(2254800-2256600): Yeah, it just doesn't wear it everyday. participantTwo:(2257100-2258980): Podcasts. participantOne:(2257100-2258980): Podcasts. participantTwo:(2259020-2261300): Yeah, do this is great? participantOne:(2259020-2261300): Yeah, do this is great? participantOne:(2261340-2261980): This is great. participantTwo:(2261340-2261980): This is great. participantTwo:(2261980-2264520): All right ready for missing scars let's. participantOne:(2261980-2264520): All right ready for missing scars let's. participantTwo:(2264520-2265940): Do it, you guys ready? participantOne:(2264520-2265940): Do it, you guys ready? participantOne:(2265980-2269480): Are you okay, because you guys are you guys now? participantTwo:(2265980-2269480): Are you okay, because you guys are you guys now? participantTwo:(2269480-2270340): We're getting sidetracked. participantOne:(2269480-2270340): We're getting sidetracked. participantTwo:(2270540-2272240): No, no, no, no, yeah, we are. participantOne:(2270540-2272240): No, no, no, no, yeah, we are. participantOne:(2272240-2273300): But we're slam <unk>. participantTwo:(2272240-2273300): But we're slam <unk>. participantTwo:(2273300-2276010): We are knocking this out of the Park to <unk>. participantOne:(2273300-2275950): We are knocking this out of the Park to <unk>. participantOne:(2275950-2278830): We we, we will keep with the baseball references. participantTwo:(2276010-2278830): We we, we will keep with the baseball references. participantOne:(2278830-2280870): This entire process as our names. participantTwo:(2278830-2280870): This entire process as our names. participantOne:(2281070-2282090): What <unk>? participantTwo:(2281070-2282090): What <unk>? participantTwo:(2282090-2282630): What any are? participantOne:(2282090-2282630): What any are? participantTwo:(2282630-2289510): We in right now then God we're we're in the we're in the middle of the first inning guys we're [laughter]. participantOne:(2282630-2289510): We in right now then God we're we're in the we're in the middle of the first inning guys we're [laughter]. participantOne:(2289550-2290810): We put three outs down. participantTwo:(2289550-2290810): We put three outs down. participantTwo:(2291180-2295400): Um, all right, so the missing scores is another argument for the film or report. participantOne:(2291190-2300730): Um, all right, so the missing scores is another argument for the film or report just gonna read a little bit a interrupt obviously Stewart as you feel necessary. participantTwo:(2295460-2300760): I'm just gonna read a little bit a interrupt obviously sort as you feel necessary. participantTwo:(2301020-2321530): Everybody else the FBI in identification order commonly called, uh, wanted poster issued for John villager described a one half inch scar on the back of the left hand and a scar of unstated length on the middle of the upper lip neither of these cars are described or included in the autopsy performed on deliver by doctor kerns. participantOne:(2301030-2321530): Everybody else the FBI in identification order commonly called, uh, wanted poster issued for John villager described a one half inch scar on the back of the left hand and a scar of unstated length on the middle of the upper lip neither of these cars are described or included in the autopsy performed on deliver by doctor kerns. participantTwo:(2321570-2328350): This is in contrast to several other detailed descriptions doctor current included in the report of scars on the body. participantOne:(2321570-2328350): This is in contrast to several other detailed descriptions doctor current included in the report of scars on the body. participantTwo:(2329500-2333740): It just bothers me that he's, including score report, but not missing teeth anyway. participantOne:(2329500-2333740): It just bothers me that he's, including score report, but not missing teeth anyway. participantTwo:(2334020-2340200): In series of contradictory statements to the FBI after delivers death doctor Locher and Cassidy. participantOne:(2334020-2340200): In series of contradictory statements to the FBI after delivers death doctor Locher and Cassidy. participantTwo:(2340200-2356760): Who if you remember performed the plastic surgery on deliver in two sessions described work that included removal of some moles filling in a chin dimple an unspecified work on the tip of the nose and removal of the scar on the upper lip? participantOne:(2340200-2356760): Who if you remember performed the plastic surgery on deliver in two sessions described work that included removal of some moles filling in a chin dimple an unspecified work on the tip of the nose and removal of the scar on the upper lip? participantTwo:(2357340-2362460): This might explain what doctor submitted them from a omitted. participantOne:(2357340-2362440): This might explain what doctor submitted them from a omitted. participantOne:(2362560-2365040): The known scar villager had in the upper lip. participantTwo:(2362560-2365040): The known scar villager had in the upper lip. participantTwo:(2365080-2366720): However, it is unlikely. participantOne:(2365080-2366720): However, it is unlikely. participantTwo:(2366720-2367840): That doctor <unk>. participantOne:(2366720-2367820): That doctor <unk>. participantOne:(2367820-2369340): Cassie, who were too. participantTwo:(2367840-2369340): Cassie, who were too. participantTwo:(2369340-2374680): Highly disreputable individuals, whose medical expertise must be questioned. participantOne:(2369340-2374680): Highly disreputable individuals, whose medical expertise must be questioned. participantOne:(2375140-2382340): Could have performed such a nuance procedure without leaving leaving hint of a scar doctor Cassidy was so an EFT. participantTwo:(2375140-2382340): Could have performed such a nuance procedure without leaving leaving hint of a scar doctor Cassidy was so an EFT. participantOne:(2382420-2394560): He almost killed villager by overdosing him on either at the start of the operation also the exact methods carried out in the surgical procedures was not describe by either or Cassidy. participantTwo:(2382420-2394560): He almost killed villager by overdosing him on either at the start of the operation also the exact methods carried out in the surgical procedures was not describe by either or Cassidy. participantOne:(2394700-2415830): But it is also unlikely that either would have had the expertise to cut on the tip of the nose or filling the chin Temple without leaving hint of a scar, but no scarring was described by doctor kerns in the autopsy on either the nose or the chin should I keep going guys or <unk>. participantTwo:(2394700-2415310): But it is also unlikely that either would have had the expertise to cut on the tip of the nose or filling the chin Temple without leaving hint of a scar, but no scarring was described by doctor kerns in the autopsy on either the nose or the chin should I keep going guys or <unk>. participantTwo:(2415310-2418190): So let me just ask this Travis. participantOne:(2416310-2418190): Let me just ask this Travis. participantOne:(2418230-2420670): Did the family ever talk about how you got those cars? participantTwo:(2418230-2420670): Did the family ever talk about how you got those cars? participantOne:(2422030-2423970): Not to my rec election at all. participantTwo:(2422030-2423970): Not to my rec election at all. participantTwo:(2423970-2429510): I mean, my father may know more, but I did not hear those write it down. participantOne:(2423970-2429510): I mean, my father may know more, but I did not hear those write it down. participantTwo:(2429550-2430430): My question. participantOne:(2429550-2430330): My question. participantOne:(2430650-2430970): . participantTwo:(2430670-2430970): . participantTwo:(2432020-2435260): I'm serious we need to start taking down the really. participantOne:(2432020-2435260): I'm serious we need to start taking down the really. participantOne:(2435260-2437260): Do yeah, what was the other one? participantTwo:(2435260-2437260): Do yeah, what was the other one? participantTwo:(2437440-2440060): What was the other one it was I'm getting a piece of paper by the way? participantOne:(2437460-2440060): What was the other one it was I'm getting a piece of paper by the way? participantTwo:(2440060-2442380): So my questions it was. participantOne:(2440060-2442380): So my questions it was. participantTwo:(2442600-2450160): Yeah, it had to do with a a Audrey identifying a the the childhood scar that <unk>. participantOne:(2442680-2450160): Yeah, it had to do with a a Audrey identifying a the the childhood scar that <unk>. participantOne:(2452170-2454310): And the child's scar got. participantTwo:(2452170-2454330): And the child's scar got it. participantOne:(2455860-2457320): I'm literally writing this down folks. participantTwo:(2455860-2457320): I'm literally writing this down folks. participantOne:(2457320-2463040): That we're not gonna forget this because I want Mike Thompson on this broadcast answering the good stuff, right. participantTwo:(2457320-2463040): That we're not gonna forget this because I want Mike Thompson on this broadcast answering the good stuff, right. participantOne:(2463540-2468480): Um, and just so folks know, this is kind of how an actual investigation proceeds. participantTwo:(2463540-2468480): Um, and just so folks know, this is kind of how an actual investigation proceeds. participantOne:(2468480-2473220): I mean, you know, we you know, you may sit down with the some of the people that you work with. participantTwo:(2468480-2473220): I mean, you know, we you know, you may sit down with the some of the people that you work with. participantTwo:(2473220-2476600): And you have a set series of fax you don't have the full fax. participantOne:(2473220-2476620): And you have a set series of fax you don't have the full fax. participantTwo:(2476600-2485270): You know, have the full puzzle if you will and you know, you discuss these things you hash it out and you know, we talk about, uh, who can we talk to that? participantOne:(2476620-2485270): You know, have the full puzzle if you will and you know, you discuss these things you hash it out and you know, we talk about, uh, who can we talk to that? participantTwo:(2485270-2487930): We can fill in this this piece of the puzzle. participantOne:(2485270-2487930): We can fill in this this piece of the puzzle. participantTwo:(2487930-2489130): And give us this information. participantOne:(2487930-2489130): And give us this information. participantTwo:(2489130-2490530): This is exactly how it works. participantOne:(2489130-2490530): This is exactly how it works. participantOne:(2490530-2494510): So, there's a there's, nothing would just in full transparency. participantTwo:(2490530-2494510): So, there's a there's, nothing would just in full transparency. participantOne:(2494550-2497110): You know, you folks are coming along with us on this investigation. participantTwo:(2494550-2497110): You know, you folks are coming along with us on this investigation. participantTwo:(2497740-2498500): I love it. participantOne:(2497740-2498500): I love it. participantOne:(2498500-2500120): I'm coming with you too, baby. participantTwo:(2498500-2500120): I'm coming with you too, baby. participantOne:(2500180-2502760): I'm here to my first investigation. participantTwo:(2500180-2502760): I'm here to my first investigation. participantOne:(2502760-2507640): Regarding the mission of the one half inch scar on the back of delivers left hand. participantTwo:(2502760-2507640): Regarding the mission of the one half inch scar on the back of delivers left hand. participantOne:(2507640-2509660): It is known that doctor kerns studied. participantTwo:(2507640-2509660): It is known that doctor kerns studied. participantOne:(2509660-2529400): The hands of the body because he fully described the scoring of the fingerprints possibly it was an oversight, but a half inch scar would certainly be noticeable noticeable as the small scars on the would certainly be as noticeable as the small scars on the finger tips because they tried to burn off. participantTwo:(2509660-2529400): The hands of the body because he fully described the scoring of the fingerprints possibly it was an oversight, but a half inch scar would certainly be noticeable noticeable as the small scars on the would certainly be as noticeable as the small scars on the finger tips because they tried to burn off. participantOne:(2529400-2534600): Is a figure of a fingerprints in the autopsy report. participantTwo:(2529400-2534600): Is a figure of a fingerprints in the autopsy report. participantOne:(2534600-2542980): Doctor current described to vertical scars over the temporal mandible joints on both sides of the face. participantTwo:(2534600-2543040): Doctor current described to vertical scars over the temporal mandible joints on both sides of the face. participantOne:(2543020-2544960): So, I'm assuming the mandible job. participantTwo:(2543080-2544960): So, I'm assuming the mandible job. participantTwo:(2544960-2549200): Oh yeah, well, uh, I think what what that would would describe. participantOne:(2544960-2549200): Oh yeah, well, uh, I think what what that would would describe. participantOne:(2549200-2554180): Would be some kind of a facelift a some kind of a primitive brutal. participantTwo:(2549200-2554180): Would be some kind of a facelift a some kind of a primitive brutal. participantTwo:(2554180-2554820): Facelift. participantOne:(2554180-2554840): Facelift. participantTwo:(2555100-2558300): These cars might have been an attempt at a facelift there. participantOne:(2555160-2558300): These cars might have been an attempt at a facelift there. participantTwo:(2558300-2560400): You go [laughter], which doctor just said. participantOne:(2558300-2563330): You go [laughter], which doctor just said it's like you wrote it or something like I wrote it. participantTwo:(2560830-2563330): Well, it's like you wrote it or something like I wrote it. participantTwo:(2563370-2565030): Contemplate contemplated. participantOne:(2563370-2565030): Contemplate contemplated. participantOne:(2565030-2568670): But not described in a statement regarding the procedures perform regardless. participantTwo:(2565030-2568670): But not described in a statement regarding the procedures perform regardless. participantTwo:(2568670-2570010): The scores were left. participantOne:(2568670-2570010): The scores were left. participantOne:(2570050-2578420): Were apparent and must add further doubt to his or doctor Cassidy's ability to remove a previous car change the nose. participantTwo:(2570050-2578420): Were apparent and must add further doubt to his or doctor Cassidy's ability to remove a previous car change the nose. participantTwo:(2578420-2592000): Tip or fill in and changed chin deep dimple without leaving scar the following photograph shows deliver in the morgue and the vertical scar describe doctor kerns is apparent on the left side of the face. participantOne:(2578420-2592000): Tip or fill in and changed chin deep dimple without leaving scar the following photograph shows deliver in the morgue and the vertical scar describe doctor kerns is apparent on the left side of the face. participantOne:(2593270-2595270): Base list weird. participantTwo:(2593270-2595110): Base list weird. participantTwo:(2595370-2601970): Doctor described a two and a half inch square centimeter centimeter purple red area in the. participantOne:(2595370-2601970): Doctor described a two and a half inch square centimeter centimeter purple red area in the. participantTwo:(2603160-2608040): Sternum area of the body, which is covered by a parchment like membrane. participantOne:(2603160-2608040): Sternum area of the body, which is covered by a parchment like membrane. participantTwo:(2608420-2611980): Yeah, I I I've I've I've pondered. participantOne:(2608420-2611980): Yeah, I I I've I've I've pondered. participantTwo:(2611980-2618360): That many times as to what exactly is describing apartment like membrane over the sternum. participantOne:(2611980-2618360): That many times as to what exactly is describing apartment like membrane over the sternum. participantOne:(2618460-2622700): I think that that that that somebody got. participantTwo:(2618460-2622720): I think that that that that somebody got. participantOne:(2622740-2627900): You know, load sure these two alcoholic idiots that we're doing this plastic surgery. participantTwo:(2622760-2627840): You know, load sure these two alcoholic idiots that we're doing this plastic surgery. participantOne:(2628280-2630900): You know, cut some skin from the chest. participantTwo:(2628280-2630920): You know, cut some skin from the chest. participantOne:(2630940-2638770): Uh, I guess over the sternum and use that for whatever means they used it for 2. participantTwo:(2630960-2638770): Uh, I guess over the sternum and use that for whatever means they used it for 2. participantOne:(2639270-2641970): You know, fill in dimples and that kinda stuff. participantTwo:(2639270-2641970): You know, fill in dimples and that kinda stuff. participantTwo:(2642270-2647410): Uh, because that's all I can figure out what what the autopsy is describing about this. participantOne:(2642290-2647410): Uh, because that's all I can figure out what what the autopsy is describing about this. participantOne:(2647450-2655020): This membrane that's on the chest and it's such an where the sternum area, right, right under our net. participantTwo:(2647450-2655020): This membrane that's on the chest and it's such an where the sternum area, right, right under our net. participantOne:(2655020-2656600): That's such a weird place. participantTwo:(2655020-2656600): That's such a weird place. participantOne:(2656640-2662860): You wouldn't really can't assume you can't you can't assume like he was shot there like that would be a a death. participantTwo:(2656640-2662860): You wouldn't really can't assume you can't you can't assume like he was shot there like that would be a a death. participantOne:(2662860-2665060): Blow, um, that's <unk>. participantTwo:(2662860-2665060): Blow, um, that's <unk>. participantTwo:(2665060-2665920): And there's. participantOne:(2665060-2665920): And there's. participantTwo:(2665920-2674220): No, good photographs of delivers chest a from any of the, uh, the morgue photos you know, to get what this what this. participantOne:(2665920-2674220): No, good photographs of delivers chest a from any of the, uh, the morgue photos you know, to get what this what this. participantOne:(2674260-2674600): What. participantTwo:(2674260-2674600): What. participantTwo:(2674600-2675900): What current is talking about? participantOne:(2674600-2675900): What current is talking about? participantOne:(2676320-2679860): So I that that is just kind of another little mystery. participantTwo:(2676320-2679860): So I that that is just kind of another little mystery. participantTwo:(2680040-2694400): Um, it seems to me if you could, if you need extra skin, you know, to maybe graft in other places you know, you'd get that out of the button or somewhere else where there's a you know, a a meter of skin. participantOne:(2680040-2694400): Um, it seems to me if you could, if you need extra skin, you know, to maybe graft in other places you know, you'd get that out of the button or somewhere else where there's a you know, a a meter of skin. participantTwo:(2695670-2696370): Then then. participantOne:(2695670-2696370): Then then. participantOne:(2697130-2704270): Then on the sternum because I can feel a few parts on me that maybe a little softer than others, but my sternum, right now. participantTwo:(2697130-2704270): Then on the sternum because I can feel a few parts on me that maybe a little softer than others, but my sternum, right now. participantTwo:(2704270-2707070): That's like a you know, man there's, not much there. participantOne:(2704270-2707070): That's like a you know, man there's, not much there. participantTwo:(2707110-2720900): So that that had to be painful in itself, but he, yeah, yeah, I I don't know if maybe that the skin that specific scan right there was something that at the time they thought, Hey, this is what we need for you. participantOne:(2707110-2720900): So that that had to be painful in itself, but he, yeah, yeah, I I don't know if maybe that the skin that specific scan right there was something that at the time they thought, Hey, this is what we need for you. participantOne:(2720900-2722520): No, nos tissue or something. participantTwo:(2720900-2722520): No, nos tissue or something. participantOne:(2722560-2723940): I don't know what a weird thing. participantTwo:(2722560-2723940): I don't know what a weird thing. participantTwo:(2724040-2729140): And then also you could see in like his Baird on the picture. participantOne:(2724040-2729140): And then also you could see in like his Baird on the picture. participantOne:(2729240-2739280): Yeah, like a filling in of knows the chin dimple would they just like put call like I can only assume like collagen in it like you know, I mean like what did they do. participantTwo:(2729240-2739280): Yeah, like a filling in of knows the chin dimple would they just like put call like I can only assume like collagen in it like you know, I mean like what did they do. participantTwo:(2739360-2742600): I don't know you know, drunk immediate exactly. participantOne:(2739400-2742640): I don't know you know, drunk immediate exactly. participantTwo:(2742640-2746920): I would think I would think they probably made some little incision. participantOne:(2742640-2746920): I I would think I would think they probably made some little incision. participantTwo:(2746920-2752780): Maybe stuff some cotton there or something that that's that would be more the button with the following. participantOne:(2746920-2752780): Maybe stuff some cotton there or something that, uh, that that would be more the button with the following. participantTwo:(2752780-2754740): Yeah, this is so on sanitary. participantOne:(2752780-2754740): Yeah, this is so on sanitary. participantOne:(2755070-2756170): Let me ask you this. participantTwo:(2755070-2756110): Let me ask you this. participantOne:(2756370-2760290): Stuart take a couple more shots of your whiskey. participantTwo:(2756370-2760330): Stuart take a couple more shots of your whiskey. participantOne:(2760350-2761590): You finish your thing. participantTwo:(2760370-2761590): You finish your thing. participantTwo:(2761710-2770830): Um, yeah, I can see there and and and then come up with an idea on how to fill in Travis is dimple and that's probably how we did it. participantOne:(2761710-2770810): Um, yeah, I can see there and and and then come up with an idea on how to fill in Travis is dimple and that's probably how we did it. participantOne:(2770850-2773930): I'm <unk>. participantTwo:(2770870-2776930): I'm, not agreeing to this [laughter]. participantOne:(2773930-2776930): This [laughter]. participantOne:(2776970-2779790): Sure, it's we're gonna we're gonna take a couple scars. participantTwo:(2776970-2781190): Sure, it's we're, gonna we're gonna take a couple scars it'll be that bad. participantOne:(2780200-2781200): It won't be that bad. participantTwo:(2781190-2788100): Just just have a couple either shocked if it's for the if it's for the investigative journey [laughter]. participantOne:(2781200-2784760): Just just have a couple of either shock. participantOne:(2784760-2788100): If it's for the investigative journey [laughter]. participantOne:(2788100-2790760): Yeah, in the name of science. participantTwo:(2788100-2790780): You in the name of science. participantTwo:(2791300-2799400): You know, that'd be really that'd be really interesting to see you know someone who's like I don't know interested in his store. participantOne:(2791760-2799400): That'd be really that'd be really interesting to see you know someone who's like I don't know interested in his store. participantTwo:(2800680-2802320): Like cosmetic surgery. participantOne:(2800680-2802320): Like cosmetic surgery. participantTwo:(2802360-2805420): Yeah, like what would they have done back then. participantOne:(2802360-2805420): Yeah, like what would they have done back then. participantTwo:(2805460-2811440): And then influenced by drunk Indians, who are trying to <unk>. participantOne:(2805460-2811440): And then influenced by drunk Indians, who are trying to <unk>. participantTwo:(2811800-2813520): I think I only one of them. participantOne:(2811800-2813520): I think I only one of them. participantTwo:(2813520-2816540): I think actually ever even had a medical license. participantOne:(2813520-2816540): I think actually ever even had a medical license. participantOne:(2816580-2818480): Uh, I I'm forgetting now. participantTwo:(2816580-2818480): Uh, I I'm forgetting now. participantTwo:(2818480-2820640): Both of them had criminal records. participantOne:(2818480-2820640): Both of them had criminal records. participantTwo:(2821130-2836910): Uh, one may have actually been a doctor at some., but but, but whichever one has been the doctor they were long removed by 1930 for being a practicing doctor got they were both practicing alcoholics and criminals. participantOne:(2821130-2836910): Uh, one may have actually been a doctor at some., but but, but, but whichever one has been the doctor they were long removed by 1930 for being a practicing doctor got they were both practicing alcoholics and criminals. participantOne:(2837760-2845760): But I think it goes back to how we talk about that they don't have a real good photograph and no one the guys ever laid eyes on builder. participantTwo:(2837760-2845760): But I think it goes back to how we talk about that they don't have a real good photograph and no one the guys ever laid eyes on builder. participantTwo:(2845940-2852260): Why does need to do all this Joe great. I'll need to that's unless he's? participantOne:(2845940-2852260): Why does need to do all this Joe great. I'll need to that's unless he's? participantOne:(2852340-2855540): Well, the get shot to say that's <unk>. participantTwo:(2852340-2855540): Well, the get shot to say that's <unk>. participantOne:(2856880-2858380): Hey, great. exactly. participantTwo:(2856880-2858380): Hey, great. exactly. participantTwo:(2858380-2864680): And that way they look at the POS and they say, well, he doesn't have the scar like villager has and then they all say, well, he had plastic surgery. participantOne:(2858380-2864680): And that way they look at the POS and they say, well, he doesn't have the scar like villager has and then they all say, well, he had plastic surgery. participantOne:(2865800-2867000): Plastic surgery to. participantTwo:(2865800-2867000): Plastic surgery to. participantTwo:(2868360-2869360): Review the two doctors. participantOne:(2868360-2869360): Review the two doctors. participantTwo:(2869400-2875940): Yeah, the the two doctors and there was actually they did this at a at a guy's house and I'm forgetting his name. participantOne:(2869400-2875940): Yeah, the the two doctors and there was actually they did this at a at a guy's house and I'm forgetting his name. participantOne:(2875940-2877300): His first name was Jimmy. participantTwo:(2875940-2877300): His first name was Jimmy. participantOne:(2877540-2884980): Um, uh, well, maybe I'm wrong about Jimmy because because actually deliver was supposedly using the alias of Jimmy Lawrence I'm. participantTwo:(2877540-2884980): Um, uh, well, maybe I'm wrong about Jimmy because because actually deliver was supposedly using the alias of Jimmy Lawrence I'm. participantTwo:(2885020-2888820): Um, but but I I wanna say also that the guy's name was Jimmy. participantOne:(2885020-2888820): Um, but but I I wanna say also that the guy's name was Jimmy. participantOne:(2888820-2889620): That they did this. participantTwo:(2888820-2889620): That they did this. participantTwo:(2889660-2893860): This plastic surgery at and he was an underworld figure again. participantOne:(2889660-2893860): This plastic surgery at and he was an underworld figure again. participantOne:(2893900-2895540): You know, a a quota. participantTwo:(2893900-2895540): You know, a a quota. participantOne:(2895540-2898120): Criminal a in himself. participantTwo:(2895540-2898120): Criminal a in himself. participantOne:(2898360-2903180): You know that he allowed this to happen and he was allowing them to hideout in this place at the time to. participantTwo:(2898360-2903180): You know that he allowed this to happen and he was allowing them to hideout in this place at the time to. participantOne:(2904140-2906580): We only got five minutes left for the <unk>. participantTwo:(2904140-2906580): We only got five minutes left for the <unk>. participantOne:(2906640-2909500): Yeah, something real quick on the <unk>. participantTwo:(2906640-2909500): Yeah, something real quick on the <unk>. participantOne:(2909760-2915320): Yeah, so so one thing that to me really jumped out about the scars was delivered. participantTwo:(2909760-2915320): Yeah, so so one thing that to me really jumped out about the scars was delivered. participantTwo:(2915320-2918160): Was shot in March of 1934. participantOne:(2915320-2918160): Was shot in March of 1934. participantTwo:(2918220-2920600): During a bank robbery in Mason city, Iowa. participantOne:(2918220-2920600): During a bank robbery in Mason city, Iowa. participantTwo:(2921020-2935660): Um, and the he was shot actually by a local businessman from a from a window looking down where the bank robberies happening and deliver went and actually got treatment from an underworld doctor the underworld doctor was later. participantOne:(2921020-2935660): Um, and the he was shot actually by a local businessman from a from a window looking down where the bank robberies happening and deliver went and I actually got treatment from an underworld doctor the underworld doctor was later. participantOne:(2935660-2943300): Interviewed by the F P I A very detailed a description of of where the wound was the Wendy treated where. participantTwo:(2935660-2943300): Interviewed by the F P I A very detailed a description of of where the wound was the Wendy treated where. participantTwo:(2943300-2954920): It's located and he described it as being like in the lower right shoulder, a so when when the deliveries autopsied current just you know writes up the report. participantOne:(2943300-2954920): It's located and he described it as being like in the lower right shoulder, a so when when the deliveries autopsied current just you know writes up the report. participantOne:(2955510-2960730): Uh, he gives the, he does not describe anything in the right shoulder region. participantTwo:(2955510-2960730): Uh, he gives the, he does not describe anything in the right shoulder region. participantTwo:(2960810-2962770): Just simply that there's a scar. participantOne:(2960810-2962770): Just simply that there's a scar. participantTwo:(2962810-2977510): Uh, I think on the maybe the the right side of the of of the lower neck a so again, you have you know, two different accounts from from one doctor that treats the wound and one doctor that sees this car. participantOne:(2962810-2977510): Uh, I think on the maybe the the right side of the of of the lower neck a so again, you have you know, two different accounts from from one doctor that treats the wound and one doctor that sees this car. participantOne:(2977830-2981130): Uh, that again if that was the only thing. participantTwo:(2977830-2981130): Uh, that again if that was the only thing. participantTwo:(2981130-2982050): You're talking about. participantOne:(2981130-2982050): You're talking about. participantOne:(2982090-2988010): I would say if that's just yes, just two guys that just you know maybe you're not remembering exactly. participantTwo:(2982090-2988010): I would say if that's just yes, just two guys that just you know maybe you're not remembering exactly. participantOne:(2988390-2996670): Um, but uh again, it's, just something else that add to this thing that we have these, you know, the stars or just not the same place. participantTwo:(2988390-2996670): Um, but uh again, it's, just something else that add to this thing that we have these, you know, the stars or just not the same place. participantTwo:(2999220-3003040): Another Pearl another Pearl on next [laughter]. participantOne:(2999220-3003040): Another Pearl another Pearl on next [laughter]. participantOne:(3003380-3004480): You guys are great. participantTwo:(3003380-3004480): You guys are great. participantTwo:(3004540-3007720): This is if you're enjoying this, please tell others about it. participantOne:(3004540-3007720): This is if you're enjoying this, please tell others about it. participantOne:(3008180-3010080): We have fingerprints. participantTwo:(3008240-3010080): We have fingerprints. participantOne:(3011500-3013060): We have a. participantTwo:(3011500-3013060): We have a. participantTwo:(3014240-3016900): The fingerprints next for sure. participantOne:(3014240-3016920): The fingerprints next for sure. participantOne:(3017220-3023480): Yes, and then, um, the handwriting writing. participantTwo:(3017220-3023520): Yes, and then, um, the handwriting writing. participantTwo:(3024120-3027120): Yeah, my in saying their dealer. participantOne:(3024120-3027120): Yeah, my in saying their dealer. participantOne:(3027160-3032000): Yeah, my favorite one is the guy from 19591961 it's. participantTwo:(3027160-3031980): Yeah, my my favorite one is the guy from 19591961 it's. participantTwo:(3032040-3034320): Just saying I'm 1963. participantOne:(3032040-3034320): Just saying I'm 1963. participantTwo:(3034320-3034780): Excuse me. participantOne:(3034320-3034780): Excuse me. participantOne:(3034780-3038960): So four years later by the way taking a sell fee of themself pretty cool. participantTwo:(3034780-3038960): So four years later by the way taking a sell fee of themself pretty cool. participantTwo:(3039120-3040980): Probably one of the first cell fees ever. participantOne:(3039140-3040980): Probably one of the first cell fees ever. participantTwo:(3042000-3045260): In it says you you not being a Boomer. participantOne:(3042000-3043320): In <unk>. participantOne:(3043320-3045260): So you you're not being a Boomer. participantTwo:(3045260-3046500): You won't you won't know this. participantOne:(3045260-3046500): You won't you won't know this. participantTwo:(3046500-3052540): But I remember from my childhood there were these photo books where you can go into and yeah, I think it's probably a quarter. participantOne:(3046500-3052540): But I remember from my childhood there were these photo books where you can go into and yeah, I think it's probably a quarter. participantTwo:(3052540-3058320): You put a quarter in and you know, you said it's probably a nickel at your time, but go ahead. participantOne:(3052540-3058320): You put a quarter in and you know, you said it's probably a nickel at your time, but go ahead. participantOne:(3058320-3077470): And you know the you know, it takes these pictures of you and then you go outside this little both and you wait and then a few minutes later, you know these little these, I think, it's a series of four pictures come out then that the machine spits out and you've got that like this something exactly like that. participantTwo:(3058320-3077470): And you know the you know, it takes these pictures of you and then you go outside this little both and you wait and then a few minutes later, you know these little these, I think, it's a series of four pictures come out then that the machine spits out and you've got that like this something exactly like that. participantOne:(3077510-3088550): Yeah, and so that's, what that picture looks like to me of that guy that sent it in you're, right you're, right, God you're, right you're always right. participantTwo:(3077510-3088550): Yeah, and so that's, what that picture looks like to me of that guy that sent it in you're, right you're, right, God you're, right you're always right. participantTwo:(3088550-3094530): The he's he's always right [laughter], listen he's retired he's, not always retired. participantOne:(3088550-3094530): The he's he's always right [laughter], listen he's retired he's, not always retired. participantOne:(3094570-3097450): Yeah, yeah, yeah, formerly retired. participantTwo:(3094570-3097450): Yeah, yeah, yeah, formerly retired. participantOne:(3097850-3098690): This has been fun. participantTwo:(3097850-3098690): This has been fun. participantOne:(3098690-3100210): Another fun episode. participantTwo:(3098690-3100210): Another fun episode. participantOne:(3100730-3107670): I I we keep coming we'll come back with more and as always guys you know, we gotta keep digging. participantTwo:(3100730-3107670): I I we keep coming we'll come back with more and as always guys you know, we gotta keep digging. participantOne:(3107910-3108470): Yep, that's. participantTwo:(3107930-3108470): Yep, that's. participantOne:(3108470-3109170): It love it. participantTwo:(3108470-3109170): It love it. participantOne:(3110300-3113600): Alright, any last words, fingerprints are gonna be a good 1. participantTwo:(3110300-3115380): Alright, any last words, the fingerprints are gonna be a good one that's gonna be a good one it's gonna be a good 1. participantOne:(3113640-3115380): That's gonna be a good one it's gonna be a good 1. participantOne:(3115420-3117400): Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna need the the full. participantTwo:(3115420-3117400): Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna need the the full. participantTwo:(3117400-3124300): We might go into two parts on the fingerprints, but so it depends on how much of a whiskey a steward has all right, I'll we'll? participantOne:(3117400-3124300): We might go into two parts on the fingerprints, but so it depends on how 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