participantOne:(6610-7450): Infamous Indy. participantTwo:(6650-7430): Infamous Indy. participantTwo:(7430-13970): Presents the digging up deal of your project featuring, the Texas crime travelers in Travis Thompson. participantOne:(7450-9350): Presents the digging up deliver contra. participantOne:(10400-14060): Featuring, the Texas crime travelers in Travis Thompson. participantTwo:(14170-15090): I'm, your host. participantOne:(14180-15720): I'm, your host, Jill. participantOne:(18650-22570): In the annals of American crime few figures room as large as John. participantTwo:(18670-21190): In the annals of American crime few figures. participantTwo:(21190-25230): Loom as large as John builder a mastermind bank Heights. participantOne:(22570-24030): Just a master. participantOne:(24030-25230): Mine bank Heights. participantTwo:(25270-31990): His name became synonymous with brazen robberies and daring escapes questions of whether he escape an FBI. participantOne:(25270-32010): His name became synonymous with brazen robberies and daring escape questions of whether he escape an FBI. participantTwo:(31990-35730): Ambush and the whereabouts of his buried loop persevered. participantOne:(32010-35530): Ambush and the whereabouts of his buried loop persevere. participantTwo:(36530-38330): History offers one account. participantOne:(36590-38330): History offers one account. participantOne:(38430-40430): But there are whispers that tell us many. participantTwo:(38530-40530): But there are whispers that tell us anymore. participantTwo:(41570-44570): Join us as we go digging up cylinder. participantOne:(41730-44570): Join us as we go digging up cylinder. participantOne:(47040-47240): <unk>. participantTwo:(49090-51150): Hey, everybody welcome to the digging up billing. participantOne:(49100-51160): Hey, everybody welcome to the digging up billing. participantTwo:(51150-54970): Your podcast I'm, your host joy O and as always, I introduce the team. participantOne:(51160-54960): Your podcast I'm, your host joy O and as always, I introduce the team. participantOne:(54960-58420): Todd Hiles Stewart, feel more and Travis Thompson. participantTwo:(54970-58450): Todd Hiles Stewart, fill more and Travis Thompson. participantTwo:(58590-60730): What's up Ellis what's happening <unk>? participantOne:(58600-60740): What's up Telus what's happening <unk>? participantOne:(60840-63140): Hello, everybody again. participantTwo:(60870-63150): Hello, everybody again. participantOne:(63180-69290): Yes, code six for us and, um, it's been a little bit a couple of days. participantTwo:(63270-69290): Yes, Ethel six for us and, um, it's been a little bit a couple of days. participantOne:(69330-73270): Uh, from the last recording that we've had, but we're, excited to get back to you. participantTwo:(69330-73270): Uh, from the last recording that we've had, but we're, excited to get back to you. participantOne:(73270-75150): We got a lot of things to talk about today. participantTwo:(73270-75150): We got a lot of things to talk about today. participantTwo:(75390-78570): Um, we are gonna continue on the the film or report. participantOne:(75390-78570): Um, we are gonna continue on the the film or report. participantTwo:(78630-81970): We're gonna go into a little bit of a details about the film report. participantOne:(78630-81970): We're gonna go into a little bit of a details about the film report. participantTwo:(82500-84120): This is an extensive report. participantOne:(82500-84120): This is an extensive report. participantOne:(84160-85000): It's gonna take us. participantTwo:(84160-85000): It's gonna take us. participantOne:(85040-92420): Multiple episodes to to get this done, but we've gone over the years, the eyes that kind of a physical features such as moles. participantTwo:(85040-92420): Multiple episodes to to get this done, but we've gone over the years, the eyes that kind of a physical features such as moles. participantOne:(92500-93700): Um, it's. participantTwo:(92500-93700): Um, it's. participantOne:(93700-97460): Interesting stuff that we've talked about, but uh, what you guys don't. participantTwo:(93700-97460): Interesting stuff that we've talked about, but uh, what you guys don't. participantTwo:(97460-97780): See. participantOne:(97460-97780): See. participantTwo:(97780-106610): And what you don't, listen to every week when we do these podcasts is we're actually talking to each other outside the podcast in a group chat. participantOne:(97780-106510): And what you don't, listen to every week when we do these podcasts is we're actually talking to each other outside the podcast in a group chat. participantOne:(106650-108310): That, um, we're. participantTwo:(106690-108310): That, um, we're. participantOne:(108310-110010): All really interested in this case. participantTwo:(108310-110010): All really interested in this case. participantTwo:(110010-110890): I mean, this is an <unk>. participantOne:(110010-110890): I mean, this is an <unk>. participantTwo:(110890-114590): This is a life historical investigation during the week. participantOne:(110890-114590): This is a life historical investigation during the week. participantOne:(114810-119110): We're finding different things to go after but Travis actually, texted the group. participantTwo:(114810-119110): We're finding different things to go after but Travis actually, texted the group. participantOne:(119310-119790): And Travis. participantTwo:(119310-119790): And Travis. participantOne:(119790-122310): What did you say you said you wanted to to set the records? participantTwo:(119790-122310): What did you say you said you wanted to to set the records? participantOne:(122310-123170): Straight about something. participantTwo:(122310-123170): Straight about something. participantTwo:(123170-124590): You would podcast the other day. participantOne:(123170-124590): You would podcast the other day. participantOne:(125100-132600): Yeah, I want us to you know, be very transparent to the viewers on our our fans here that I had made a mistake. participantTwo:(125100-132600): Yeah, I want us to you know, be very transparent to the viewers on our our fans here that I had made a mistake. participantTwo:(132640-137120): I am human A I had [laughter]. participantOne:(132640-137120): I am human A I had [laughter]. participantTwo:(137160-137980): I know right. participantOne:(137160-137980): I know right. participantTwo:(138160-139620): I was talking to my father. participantOne:(138160-139620): I was talking to my father. participantTwo:(139620-140520): Mike Thompson. participantOne:(139620-140520): Mike Thompson. participantTwo:(140680-144420): And I was discussing when the timeline. participantOne:(140680-144420): And I was discussing when the timeline. participantOne:(144420-147860): Who went up to Chicago to identify the body? participantTwo:(144420-147860): Who went up to Chicago to identify the body? participantTwo:(149300-159900): What happened was an actual the Indian Apple star reporter contacted my grandfather and him and the brother Hubert then went to Chicago? participantOne:(149300-159900): What happened was an actual the Indian Apple star reporter contacted my grandfather and him and the brother Hubert then went to Chicago? participantTwo:(161000-166720): Did everything that I told said before got pulled into the side room didn't, say it was him change his story said it was him. participantOne:(161000-166720): Did everything that I told said before got pulled into the side room didn't, say it was him change his story said it was him. participantTwo:(167080-172860): Audrey with home and didn't identify the body once it came back to mobile. participantOne:(167080-172860): Audrey with home and didn't identify the body once it came back to mobile. participantOne:(172960-173720): So. participantTwo:(172960-173720): So. participantOne:(175150-179330): I had to you know, talk to my my father and refresh my memory. participantTwo:(175150-179330): I had to you know, talk to my my father and refresh my memory. participantOne:(179330-180850): So I got it straight and there's there's. participantTwo:(179330-180850): So I got it straight and there's there's. participantOne:(180850-181570): The right answer. participantTwo:(180850-181570): The right answer. participantTwo:(181570-184210): So like we may do this again. participantOne:(181570-184210): So like we may do this again. participantOne:(184490-185750): Um, we are human. participantTwo:(184490-185750): Um, we are human. participantOne:(185790-187530): I mean, this is a 90 year old case. participantTwo:(185790-187530): I mean, this is a 90 year old case. participantTwo:(187530-196150): There's gonna be times that we Miss member stuff, especially how, um, we've been with the President stuff we have found and in the past. participantOne:(187530-196150): There's gonna be times that we Miss member stuff, especially how, um, we've been with the President stuff we have found and in the past. participantOne:(197340-198220): So it'll be clear. participantTwo:(197340-198220): So it'll be clear. participantOne:(199350-203730): Delivers sister identified, the body when she was in Indianapolis. participantTwo:(199350-203730): Delivers sister identified, the body when she was in Indianapolis. participantOne:(204900-209520): Yes, gone up to Chicago because we're we discuss how how fast it. participantTwo:(204900-209520): Yes, gone up to Chicago because we're we discuss how how fast it. participantOne:(209580-210700): How how did she get up there? participantTwo:(209580-210700): How how did she get up there? participantTwo:(210700-211160): So quick. participantOne:(210700-211160): So quick. participantOne:(211160-212860): And she never went. participantTwo:(211160-212860): And she never went. participantOne:(212900-216040): So we're, sorry, come at us in the comments. participantTwo:(212900-216040): So we're, sorry, come at us in the comments. participantOne:(216040-218500): If you want we understand we're. participantTwo:(216040-218500): If you want we understand we're. participantTwo:(218500-219780): Okay, we're big boys. participantOne:(218500-219780): Okay, we're big boys. participantTwo:(219780-224930): We can handle it, but we're also, you know, guys Todd Stewart. participantOne:(219780-224940): We can handle it, but we're also, you know, guys Todd Stewart. participantTwo:(224930-228970): You can chime in here, but I'm the same way as drivers like, uh, there's nothing we're, not hiding. participantOne:(224940-228980): You can chime in here, but I'm the same way as drivers like, uh, there's nothing we're, not hiding. participantTwo:(228970-231570): Anything that's just the is what it is. participantOne:(228980-229440): Anything. participantOne:(230280-231580): No, is what it is. participantTwo:(231730-242570): Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of details to this case that you know is in from time to time if we go through this and we're just talking we're pretty much off the cuff here. participantOne:(231740-242580): Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of details to this case that you know is in from time to time if we go through this and we're just talking we're pretty much off the cuff here. participantOne:(243070-248650): And you know, we we don't we're, honest, we're open and we're talking about this is something that's passionate. participantTwo:(243070-248630): And you know, we we don't we're, honest, we're open and we're talking about this is something that's passionate. participantTwo:(248690-250270): But you know, if we Miss speak. participantOne:(248690-250270): But you know, if we Miss speak. participantTwo:(250270-255910): Hey, we're going to acknowledge it and and be transparent about it because we don't have anything to hide. participantOne:(250270-255910): Hey, we're going to acknowledge it and and be transparent about it because we don't have anything to hide. participantOne:(255910-257370): We wanna get to the truth of this. participantTwo:(255910-257370): We wanna get to the truth of this. participantTwo:(257370-259970): Whatever the truth is and that's that's just what it is. participantOne:(257370-259970): Whatever the truth is and that's that's just what it is. participantOne:(259970-264470): So, yeah, it's a no, I appreciate that Travis for for bringing that up. participantTwo:(259970-264470): So, yeah, it's a no, I appreciate that Travis for for bringing that up. participantOne:(265220-268420): Yeah, any you know, anytime I get say something wrong. participantTwo:(265220-268420): Yeah, any you know, anytime I get say something wrong. participantTwo:(268420-272180): I am a family number, but I do get it wrong call me out in the comments. participantOne:(268420-272160): I am a family number, but I do get it wrong call me out in the comments. participantOne:(272200-277660): I have no problems that well, also don't don't forget as of a former journalist myself. participantTwo:(272220-277660): I have no problems that well, also don't don't forget as of a former journalist myself. participantOne:(277700-282960): I guess you could call me a journalist still, but as a former TV reporter, I would have put in my web stories. participantTwo:(277700-282960): I guess you could call me generally still, but as a former TV reporter, I would have put in my web stories. participantTwo:(283080-286160): Hey, there's been a change or an update to this story. participantOne:(283080-286160): Hey, there's been a change or an update to this story. participantOne:(286770-286930): It's. participantTwo:(286770-286930): It's. participantOne:(286930-293010): Okay, I mean, there are gonna be updates for this one, but that's the kind of stuff that we'll get we'll, get correct as we go along. participantTwo:(286930-289510): Okay, I mean, it there are gonna be updates for this 1. participantTwo:(289510-293010): But that's the kind of stuff that we'll get we'll, get correct as we go along. participantOne:(293050-294450): So appreciate you. participantTwo:(293050-294450): So appreciate you. participantOne:(294450-295670): Travis way to go. participantTwo:(294450-295670): Travis way to go. participantTwo:(295890-297610): Yeah, and again, Travis. participantOne:(295970-297610): Yeah, and again, Travis. participantOne:(297610-299150): You mentioned that you talk to your father. participantTwo:(297610-299150): You mentioned that you talk to your father. participantOne:(299150-300190): Just let the blisters. participantTwo:(299150-300190): Just let the blisters. participantOne:(300190-301690): No again who your father is. participantTwo:(300190-301690): No again who your father is. participantTwo:(301730-305570): Yeah, my father is builders actual nephew. participantOne:(301730-305590): Yeah, my father is builders actual nephew. participantTwo:(305610-310810): The closest living relative besides my aunt Carol. participantOne:(305630-310850): The closest living relative besides my aunt Carol. participantTwo:(310850-312890): So yeah, that's that's, who he is. participantOne:(310890-312890): So yeah, that's that's, who he is. participantTwo:(312890-316830): And that's where I'm getting information from from and he will be on the podcast sometime. participantOne:(312890-318230): And that's where I'm getting information from from and he will be on the podcast sometime as a guest. participantTwo:(317660-319980): As I guess so well, we look forward to that. participantOne:(318230-320010): So, we'll look forward to that. participantTwo:(320140-325200): Yeah, we went on having a few few guess to we're gonna work on possibly a fingerprint. participantOne:(320390-325190): Having a few few guests to we're gonna work on possibly a fingerprint. participantTwo:(325540-326640): Um, expert. participantOne:(325550-328590): Um, expert some some other kind of pathologist. participantTwo:(326680-328600): So some other kind of pathologist. participantOne:(328590-329310): I don't know, we'll. participantTwo:(328600-329300): I don't know, we'll. participantTwo:(329300-330200): See what we get. participantOne:(329310-330190): See what we get. participantOne:(330190-332780): But Mike is number one on our list. participantTwo:(330200-332300): But Mike is number 1. participantTwo:(332300-338100): Are less we're gonna get him here soon enough, but um, so one of the things we did talk about this week. participantOne:(332780-338320): We're gonna get him here soon enough, but um, so one of the things we did talk about this week. participantOne:(338780-345760): What was this video because we find these videos online right guys, like of of different things? participantTwo:(339000-345760): What was this video because we find these videos online right guys, like of of different things? participantTwo:(345960-347040): What was it last week? participantOne:(345960-347040): What was it last week? participantOne:(347040-350420): What do we find another video or what do we find last week? participantTwo:(347040-350460): What do we find another video or what do we find last week? participantOne:(350480-355920): It was like, uh, I think we talked about the, you know, it really wishing. participantTwo:(350640-353460): Was like, uh, I think we've talked about that. participantTwo:(353560-355920): You know in really wishing. participantOne:(355920-359000): We could find you know, recording villagers void that's. participantTwo:(355920-359000): We could find you know, recording a dealer void right that's. participantTwo:(359000-359160): What. participantOne:(359000-359160): What. participantTwo:(359160-363840): Yeah, yeah, so we're doing a lot of digging on YouTube to see if anybody and then we found oh. I remember. participantOne:(359160-363840): Yeah, yeah, so we're doing a lot of digging on YouTube to see if anybody and we found, oh. I remember. participantTwo:(363840-370240): We watched we found two older ladies who claim to be at one of the bank. participantOne:(363840-370240): We watched we found two older ladies who claim to be at one of the bank. participantTwo:(370240-391590): Robberies and it's on you to and it's got like 45000 views over the last 12 years, but it's like two older ladies and one's clearly the daughter ones clearly the elderly lady is the the mom and she was there across the Street, but then her like some of the contradictory things and it's funny because witness testimony is huge and a lot of what you guys do. participantOne:(370240-391590): Robberies and it's on you to and it's got like 45000 views over the last 12 years, but it's like two older ladies and one's clearly the daughter ones clearly the elderly lady is the the mom and she was there across the Street, but then her like some of the contradictory things and it's funny because witness testimony is huge and a lot of what you guys do. participantTwo:(391670-395870): And what we'll we'll always say about witness testimony it's terrible. participantOne:(391670-395870): And what we'll we'll always say about witness testimony it's terrible. participantOne:(396410-397990): It can be yes. participantTwo:(396410-397990): It can be yes. participantOne:(397990-403290): It really can I I you know, I think that most likely that the the the lady was there. participantTwo:(397990-403290): It really can I I you know, I think that most likely that the the the lady was there. participantTwo:(403780-410460): Um, you know, but but overtime details can get fuzzy a things. participantOne:(403780-410460): Um, you know, but but overtime details can get fuzzy a things. participantTwo:(410460-413700): Can just kind of change and get the shuffle in your mind. participantOne:(410460-413700): Can just kind of change and get the shuffle in your mind. participantTwo:(413740-425040): You know, and and especially something you know, like like this delivery case that there's, you know, there was a lot of reporting about at the time and then overtime, I think the witness can maybe mix up. participantOne:(413740-425040): You know, and and especially something you know, like like this delivery case that there's, you know, there was a lot of reporting about at the time and then overtime, I think the witness can maybe mix up. participantOne:(425040-427040): What they heard with what they actually saw? participantTwo:(425040-427040): What they heard with what they actually saw? participantTwo:(427510-441870): Uh, not that you know, not that she's she's lying or anything like that, but uh, just in the in the course of a couple of sentences, I think she actually contradict herself a little bit and kind of describe some things that just would from her vantage. participantOne:(427510-441870): Uh, not that you know, not that she's she's lying or anything like that, but uh, just in the in the course of a couple of sentences, I think she actually contradict herself a little bit and kind of describe some things that just would from her vantage. participantOne:(441870-448330): Would have been hard to see what she she said, yeah, yeah and, uh, it is it true. participantTwo:(441870-448330): Would have been hard to see what she she said, yeah, yeah and, uh, it is it true. participantTwo:(448330-453790): What I'm saying though like witness testimony is the least reliable test a evidence out there? participantOne:(448330-453710): What I'm saying though like witness testimony is the least reliable test a evidence out there? participantOne:(453750-456070): Well, yes, and no, I mean. participantTwo:(453850-456070): Well, yes, and no, I mean. participantTwo:(457650-460750): You know it can be, I mean, certainly, I wouldn't want to make a case. participantOne:(457650-460750): You know it can be, I mean, certainly, I wouldn't want to make a case. participantOne:(460750-463030): Strictly on a witness testimony. participantTwo:(460750-463030): Strictly on a witness testimony. participantOne:(463410-468470): You know that my whole case is based on that that that that my witness identifies. participantTwo:(463410-468470): You know that my whole case is based on that that that that my witness identifies. participantTwo:(468470-475470): This person as the bad guy and I certainly would want other corroborating information of a. participantOne:(468470-475470): This person as the bad guy and I certainly would want other corroborating information of a. participantTwo:(476240-477860): You know, circumstantial evidence. participantOne:(476240-477860): You know, circumstantial evidence. participantOne:(477860-484360): So to speak cause witness testimonies direct evidence and we always think of you know that direct even you know. participantTwo:(477860-484360): So to speak cause witness testimonies direct evidence and we always think of you know that direct even you know. participantOne:(484420-503870): Uh, uh in, uh, circumstantial evidence is is to be is somehow to not be considered reliable or inferior, but the truth is most cases are made with circumstantial evidence and circumstantial evidence will in fact, actually, corroborate many times the direct testimony of a witness. participantTwo:(484420-503870): Uh, uh in, uh, circumstantial evidence is is to be is somehow to not be considered reliable or inferior, but the truth is most cases are made with circumstantial evidence and circumstantial evidence will in fact, actually, corroborate many times the direct testimony of a witness. participantTwo:(504210-506770): Um, you know, and yeah, and they may get some details. participantOne:(504210-506770): Um, you know, and yeah, and they may get some details. participantTwo:(507850-514280): But you're, just the best do like this is why I mean, like I just just dropped this knowledge on us. participantOne:(507910-514280): But you're, just the best do like this is why I mean, like I just just drop this knowledge on us. participantOne:(514320-519340): I love it, but take something as simple as a when villagers shop in the alley. participantTwo:(514320-519340): I love it, but take something as simple as a when villagers shop in the alley. participantOne:(519760-523440): How many FBI agents say that he whispered something? participantTwo:(519760-523440): How many FBI agents say that he whispered something? participantTwo:(523740-525980): Other agents that were staying right there said they didn't whisper. participantOne:(523740-525980): Other agents that were staying right there said they didn't whisper. participantOne:(525980-526480): Anything. participantTwo:(525980-526480): Anything. participantTwo:(526520-534040): Yeah, and now you can you can search and you can see you know, the 50% of people say he said something 50% said he didn't say something. participantOne:(526520-534040): Yeah, and now you can you can search and you can see you know, the 50% of people say he said something 50% said he didn't say something. participantTwo:(534040-539900): That's, the classic case of the telephone games. participantOne:(534040-541680): That's, the classic case of the telephone game just 90 years later, huh. participantTwo:(540080-541680): 90 years later, huh. participantTwo:(542190-552370): I tend to think that didn't say anything because if you read the autopsy report of 45 caliber bullet travel, right to straight up his neck and write out, but we need his eyes. participantOne:(542190-552370): I tend to think that didn't say anything because if you read the autopsy report of 45 caliber bullet travel, right to straight up his neck and write out, but we need his eyes. participantTwo:(552470-554710): So what about a death rattle. participantOne:(552650-554710): So what about a death rattle. participantTwo:(554750-561210): I think I think he might have still been breeding that in fact, I know it was breathing and we can get into that kinda stuff later on. participantOne:(554750-561250): I think I think he might have still been breeding at in fact, I know it was breathing and we can get into that kinda stuff later on. participantOne:(561970-563970): Ah, but I don't think I don't think, he's conscious. participantTwo:(561970-563970): Ah, but I don't think I don't think, he's conscious. participantTwo:(565380-565860): Gotcha. participantOne:(565380-565860): Gotcha. participantTwo:(565900-567080): He wasn't conscious. participantOne:(565900-566980): He wasn't conscious. participantOne:(567760-568360): Oh man. participantTwo:(567760-568360): Oh man. participantOne:(568400-572580): Okay, so with custody old ladies go out to video. participantTwo:(568400-572580): Okay, so with custody old ladies go out to video. participantOne:(572580-574680): You too, but we are gonna watch a video real quick. participantTwo:(572580-574680): You too, but we are gonna watch a video real quick. participantOne:(574940-577860): And this is the video of Anna, Sage. participantTwo:(574940-577680): And this is the video of Anna, Sage. participantOne:(577920-583460): Looks like after the a interview after John's death. participantTwo:(577940-583480): Looks like after the a interview after John's death. participantOne:(583500-588760): So it's really oh. do we wanna a refresh real quickly? participantTwo:(583520-588760): So it's really oh. do we wanna a refresh real quickly? participantTwo:(588800-591340): A Hu <unk>, Sage was uh. participantOne:(588800-591340): A Hu <unk>, Sage was uh. participantOne:(591380-592420): Yeah, please. participantTwo:(591380-592460): Yeah, please. participantOne:(592460-607270): So that many people that there that are familiar with the delivery case and maybe some that aren't that aren't familiar with it had probably heard of the lady in red and Anna, Sage is the so called lady in red. participantTwo:(592500-607270): So that many people that there that are familiar with the delivery case and maybe some that aren't that aren't familiar with it had probably heard of the lady in red and Anna, Sage is the so called lady in red. participantTwo:(607590-614930): She was a, um, a Romanian illegal immigrant, who a was a a Madam. participantOne:(607590-614930): She was a, um, a Romanian illegal immigrant, who a was a a Madam. participantTwo:(615350-618330): And the deliver the official story is delivered. participantOne:(615350-618330): And the deliver the official story is delivered. participantTwo:(618330-626640): Was staying with her and she died him out to the, to the FBI and said, Hey, he's <unk>, gonna go to a movie tonight. participantOne:(618330-626640): Was staying with her and she died him out to the, to the FBI and said, Hey, he's <unk>, gonna go to a movie tonight. participantTwo:(626640-629840): I'm gonna be with him and I'm gonna be wearing an orange dress. participantOne:(626640-629840): I'm gonna be with him and I'm gonna be wearing an orange dress. participantOne:(630000-630840): A it. participantTwo:(630000-630840): A it. participantOne:(630880-634620): Apparently in the lights of the theater of the marquee and everything. participantTwo:(630880-634620): Apparently in the lights of the theater of the marquee and everything. participantTwo:(634840-638220): She the dress appeared red and so that's, how that came about. participantOne:(634840-638220): She the dress appeared red and so that's, how that came about. participantOne:(638260-645700): So what we're showing here is maybe her account of of how linger was a was taken down. participantTwo:(638260-645700): So what we're showing here is maybe her account of of how linger was a was taken down. participantOne:(645740-649980): You know, at the bar graph feeder in Chicago, but just add to that. participantTwo:(645740-649980): You know, at the bar graph feeder in Chicago, but just add to that. participantOne:(650020-651500): She did this. participantTwo:(650020-651500): She did this. participantOne:(651540-653480): So that she could stay in the United States. participantTwo:(651540-653480): So that she could stay in the United States. participantOne:(654960-656080): Yeah, that was the 1. participantTwo:(654990-656070): Yeah, that 1. participantTwo:(656110-657770): Yeah, but she wasn't allowed. participantOne:(656120-657780): Yeah, but she wasn't allowed. participantTwo:(657770-658650): They actually kicked her. participantOne:(657780-659060): They actually kicked her out of the <unk>. participantOne:(659060-661840): Yeah, they did it was it was a few years later. participantTwo:(659090-659770): Yeah, they did. participantTwo:(659850-661830): Yeah, it was it was a few years later. participantTwo:(661830-665330): It wasn't immediately, but uh, yeah, they they had told her. participantOne:(661840-665320): It wasn't immediately, but uh, yeah, they they had told her. participantOne:(665320-667960): Apparently that they could they'll see what they could do. participantTwo:(665330-667970): Apparently that they could they'll see what they could do. participantOne:(668000-672220): If they can help her out with the immigration stuff, but yeah, if she still got deposited. participantTwo:(668010-672230): If they can help her out with the immigration stuff, but yeah, she still got deposited. participantTwo:(673840-674380): To me. participantOne:(673840-674380): To me. participantTwo:(676460-677680): Say again, huh. participantOne:(676460-677680): Say again, huh. participantTwo:(677720-679900): Maybe they deported her to cover up her story. participantOne:(677720-679900): Maybe they deported her to cover up her story. participantOne:(679940-680180): Yeah. participantTwo:(679940-680180): Yeah. participantOne:(681260-682000): That's true. participantTwo:(681260-682000): That's true. participantTwo:(682480-682860): Uh. participantOne:(682480-682860): Uh. participantOne:(684500-687480): This picture, John in the beginning to looks like interesting. participantTwo:(684500-687480): This picture of John in the beginning to looks like interesting. participantTwo:(688500-689980): It's him behind bars looking around. participantOne:(688500-689980): It's him behind bars looking around. participantOne:(689980-693560): Yeah, I don't know if that I don't know if that's at Crown. or if that's in Tucson. participantTwo:(689980-693560): Yeah, I don't know if that I don't know if that's at Crown. or if that's in Tucson. participantTwo:(693640-695100): Uh, <unk>. participantOne:(693640-695100): Uh, <unk>. participantTwo:(695100-698440): Okay, okay all right, so can you guys here? participantOne:(695100-698440): Okay, okay all right, so can you guys here? participantOne:(700250-702730): Yes, when I learned he was billing there. participantTwo:(700250-702730): Yes, when I learned he was billing there. participantOne:(702770-704950): I know he had been killing without mercy. participantTwo:(702770-704950): I know he had been killing without mercy. participantOne:(704990-706470): So I went to a policeman. participantTwo:(704990-706470): So I went to a policeman. participantTwo:(706470-709390): I know and he arranged a Conference with the government agent. participantOne:(706470-709390): I know and he arranged a Conference with the government agent. participantOne:(709590-711490): So July 22nd. participantTwo:(709690-711490): So July 22nd. participantTwo:(711770-715990): So I called Mister vis and I told him that he was going to a show. participantOne:(711850-715990): So I called Mister vis and I told him that he was going to a show. participantTwo:(718250-720770): That's it that's part of the documentary. participantOne:(718250-720950): That's it that's part of the documentary that's. participantTwo:(720770-725390): This got from so you know, again, it listed her as Anna, Sage and that's. participantOne:(720950-725390): Got from so you know, again, it listed her as Anna, Sage and that's. participantOne:(725390-727010): What we call her that's? participantTwo:(725390-727010): What we call her that's? participantOne:(727010-730390): What she's known as in history, but that was actually not her real name? participantTwo:(727010-730390): What she's known as in history, but that was actually not her real name? participantTwo:(730390-736560): Her name was Ana with Anne, A N I A companion us and probably not saying it correctly. participantOne:(730390-736560): Her name was Ana with Anne, A N D A companion us and probably not saying it correctly. participantTwo:(737100-748980): Um, but uh, that's actually, gonna play into something that I wrote up in that report when when a man, a few years later in 1959 wrote a letter. participantOne:(737100-748980): Um, but uh, that's actually, gonna play into something that I wrote up in that report when when a man, a few years later in 1959 wrote a letter. participantOne:(748980-750460): Claiming to be delivered. participantTwo:(748980-750460): Claiming to be delivered. participantOne:(751500-763180): He he refers to her as an by her real name and and at the time that her real name was not you know, publicly known that that widely. participantTwo:(751500-763140): He he refers to her as an by her real name and and at the time that her real name was not you know, publicly known that that widely. participantTwo:(763360-766420): So that a like a like a little, uh. participantOne:(763360-766420): So that a like a like a little, uh. participantOne:(767330-771570): Did bit of information that only John would really know possibly it. participantTwo:(767330-771570): Did bit of information that only John would really know possibly it. participantTwo:(771570-773070): I mean, it's not definitive. participantOne:(771570-773070): I mean, it's not definitive. participantOne:(773110-787790): Like almost anything in this case, but it it's just it's a you know, it's a it's, a little it's, a little Pearl and there's an old saying that once you you know, as far as when you have enough evidence to charge somebody it's like a Pearl necklace. participantTwo:(773110-787790): Like almost anything in this case, but it it's just it's a you know, it's a it's, a little it's, a little Pearl and there's an old saying that once you you know, as far as when you have enough evidence to charge somebody it's like a Pearl necklace. participantTwo:(788240-794160): You know, you add one at a time and eventually, you get enough springs, pearls on a string, you got a necklace. participantOne:(788240-794160): You know, you add one at a time and eventually, you get enough springs, pearls on a string, you got a necklace. participantTwo:(794200-798440): So, it's just it's just a little Pearl that possibly may mean something. participantOne:(794200-798440): So, it's just it's just a little Pearl that possibly may mean something. participantTwo:(798480-800540): So I'll go ahead. participantOne:(798480-800540): So I'll go ahead. participantTwo:(800540-802680): I was gonna say when I I text that to the group today. participantOne:(800540-802680): I was gonna say when I I text that to the group today. participantOne:(803040-805940): Uh, what I saw right away was her eyes. participantTwo:(803040-805940): Uh, what I saw right away was her eyes. participantTwo:(805980-806640): How they dart? participantOne:(805980-806640): How they dart? participantOne:(806680-811100): Let you know back and forth like she's almost reading that that script of what. participantTwo:(806680-811100): Let you know back and forth like she's almost reading that that script of what. participantOne:(811100-811800): She's saying. participantTwo:(811100-811800): She's saying. participantTwo:(811840-813080): I would completely agree with that. participantOne:(811840-813080): I would completely agree with that. participantOne:(814510-815710): Yeah, what do you say Stuart? participantTwo:(814510-815710): Yeah, what do you say Stuart? participantOne:(815710-823670): Because I disagree, yeah, so, um, yeah, you know, again, she's she's, probably was probably the first time in her life. participantTwo:(815710-823670): Because I disagree, yeah, so, um, yeah, you know, again, she's she's, probably was probably the first time in her life. participantTwo:(823670-825210): She ever been on a camera. participantOne:(823670-825210): She ever been on a camera. participantOne:(825250-827730): Um, you know a movie camera. participantTwo:(825250-827730): Um, you know a movie camera. participantTwo:(828090-832450): Uh, probably had never spoken like that been interviewed in any kind of formal sense. participantOne:(828090-832450): Uh, probably had never spoken like that been interviewed in any kind of formal sense. participantTwo:(832450-836060): Like that she possibly could be reading two cards. participantOne:(832450-836060): Like that she possibly could be reading two cards. participantTwo:(836200-842040): Um, because she it does seem to be somewhat the stuff in her in her presentation. participantOne:(836200-842040): Um, because she it does seem to be somewhat the stuff in her in her presentation. participantOne:(842080-848420): Yeah, um, I I my my impression in looking at it is is that there's someone off camera. participantTwo:(842080-848420): Yeah, um, I I my my impression in looking at it is is that there's someone off camera. participantTwo:(848930-851390): Uh, that that she's kinda seeing that. participantOne:(848930-851390): Uh, that that she's kinda seeing that. participantOne:(851390-856470): May maybe is moving or is maybe encouraging her to keep talking or that's. participantTwo:(851390-856470): May maybe is moving or is maybe encouraging her to keep talking or that's. participantOne:(856470-858710): What I wanna hear or something like that? participantTwo:(856470-858710): What I wanna hear or something like that? participantTwo:(859110-868250): Maybe the FBI in making sure she put the right narrative out and and yeah, and we don't know actually who commission this film whether it was the media or the FBI. participantOne:(859110-868250): Maybe the FBI in making sure she put the right narrative out and and yeah, and we don't know actually who commission this film whether it was the media or the FBI. participantOne:(870140-873940): And that's, obviously something that could have that that has a huge impact on what. participantTwo:(870190-873930): And that's, obviously something that could have that that has a huge impact on what. participantTwo:(873930-874450): She's saying. participantOne:(873940-874460): She's saying. participantTwo:(874450-878390): How she's saying it, but I'm I'm in disagreeing? participantOne:(874460-878480): How she's saying it, but I'm I'm in disagreeing? participantOne:(878540-880600): I I don't think, she's reading from Q card. participantTwo:(878550-880590): I I don't think, she's reading from Q card. participantTwo:(880590-897810): I think that from a from a journalistic perspective and granted, we don't know if it's a journalistic or organization that took this video or if it was the FBI or somebody putting it out for some sort of propaganda or just information and having her recap. participantOne:(880600-897810): I think that from a from a journalistic perspective and granted, we don't know if it's journalistic or organization that took this video or if it was the FBI or somebody putting it out for some sort of propaganda or just information and having her recap. participantOne:(897810-899190): What she thought or what she said? participantTwo:(897810-899190): What she thought or what she said? participantTwo:(899190-899250): <unk>. participantOne:(899190-899250): <unk>. participantOne:(899250-901370): And her words are very scripted. participantTwo:(899250-901370): And her words are very scripted. participantTwo:(901370-908180): Like it sounds scripted, but then again, you know that whole thing with being on camera first time and she's got a light. participantOne:(901370-908180): Like it sounds scripted, but then again, you know that whole thing with being on camera first time and she's got a light. participantOne:(908180-909940): Her face or whatever is happening. participantTwo:(908180-909940): Her face or whatever is happening. participantTwo:(909940-915740): And they're probably saying like you're saying the right things just say it again and say it again and say it again. participantOne:(909940-915740): And they're probably saying like you're saying the right things just say it again and say it again and say it again. participantTwo:(915740-920560): Now, wait wait hold on last then on top of it when you're doing an interview. participantOne:(915740-920560): Now, wait wait hold on last then on top of it when you're doing an interview. participantOne:(920900-923720): You're always off to the side off camera you're doing you're interviewing. participantTwo:(920900-923720): You're always off to the side off camera you're doing you're interviewing. participantOne:(923720-926720): Somebody one on one and and the cameras to your right. participantTwo:(923720-926720): Somebody one on one and and the cameras to your right. participantOne:(926720-929940): And looking over the reporters shoulder that's a one shot. participantTwo:(926720-929940): And looking over the reporters shoulder that's a one shot. participantTwo:(929940-930640): That's that's that's. participantOne:(929940-930640): That's that's that's. participantOne:(930640-943400): What it's always always is so for me look her looking that direction and then adding back to the cameras just her not being like being used to having a camera on her and looking at the camera and then looking off to the reporter or whoever is asking a question? participantTwo:(930640-943400): What it's always always is so for me look her looking that direction and then darting back to the cameras just her not being like being used to having a camera on her and looking at the camera and then looking off to the reporter or whoever is asking a question? participantOne:(943400-946310): Could be the FBI like you're saying Travis anyway, that's. participantTwo:(943400-946310): Could be the FBI like you're saying Travis anyway, that's. participantOne:(946310-947750): That that was my take on it. participantTwo:(946310-948250): That that was my take on that. participantOne:(947990-949410): They may have told her. participantTwo:(948250-949410): They may have told her. participantOne:(949410-961570): Hey, I'm gonna ask you the question when you answer look at the camera and then you know, so she's, maybe answering the question and then kind of looking back to the interview or think. participantTwo:(949410-961570): Hey, I'm gonna ask you the question when you answer look at the camera and then you know, so she's, maybe answering the question and then kind of looking back to the interview or think. participantOne:(961610-963010): Uh, to get some indication. participantTwo:(961610-963010): Uh, to get some indication. participantOne:(963010-967580): Hey, did I answer that for you, but overall her demeanor to me? participantTwo:(963010-967580): Hey, did I answer that for you, but overall her demeanor to me? participantTwo:(967580-971260): Oh. it almost seems like a hostage film to be Frank look. participantOne:(967580-971260): Oh. it almost seems like a hostage film to be Frank look. participantTwo:(971300-972080): Look at <unk>. participantOne:(971300-972080): Look at <unk>. participantTwo:(972120-975180): Just watch just watch your eyes real quick. participantOne:(972120-975180): Just watch just watch your eyes real quick. participantTwo:(975180-976580): Just watch her eyes. participantOne:(975180-976500): Just watch her eyes. participantOne:(976760-982360): Did are they going all the way across and down and all the way across and down like you would be reading. participantTwo:(976760-982360): Did are they going all the way across and down and all the way across and down like you would be reading. participantTwo:(982400-987440): Are they going to two separate points, which is my whole. with <unk>? participantOne:(982400-987440): Are they going to two separate points, which is my whole. with I'm <unk>? participantTwo:(987440-991480): It looks like two separate points, which means that she's probably looking at the interview. participantOne:(987440-991480): It looks like two separate points, which means that she's probably looking at the interview. participantTwo:(993980-996680): Well, let me ask you this from the from the night that deliver shot. participantOne:(993980-996680): Well, let me ask you this from the from the night that deliver shot. participantOne:(998000-1002500): When does the story come out that Anna set him up does the FBI? participantTwo:(998000-1002500): When does the story come out that Anna set him up does the FBI? participantOne:(1002500-1002860): Tell that. participantTwo:(1002500-1002860): Tell that. participantOne:(1002860-1003680): The very next morning. participantTwo:(1002860-1003680): The very next morning. participantTwo:(1003680-1004840): They tell it months later. participantOne:(1003680-1004840): They tell it months later. participantTwo:(1004880-1008340): You know what happens to her that night does she get taken into protective custody. participantOne:(1004880-1008340): You know what happens to her that night does she get taken into protective custody. participantTwo:(1008380-1010380): So it came out almost immediately. participantOne:(1008380-1010380): So it came out almost immediately. participantOne:(1010420-1019150): So it that that was not really you know, anything that was a suppressed and and and excuse me, I'm adding to my burden right now. participantTwo:(1010420-1019150): So it that that was not really you know, anything that was a suppressed and and and excuse me, I'm adding to my burden right now. participantTwo:(1019630-1021670): Um, what, uh, what happened. participantOne:(1019630-1021670): Um, what, uh, what happened. participantOne:(1021670-1026130): That night is for whatever reason she wasn't detained you know, they're. participantTwo:(1021670-1026130): That night is for whatever reason she wasn't detained you know, they're. participantTwo:(1026130-1027530): They didn't fully question. participantOne:(1026130-1027530): They didn't fully question. participantTwo:(1027530-1029990): Her because they just met her that day. participantOne:(1027530-1030030): Her because they just met her that day. participantTwo:(1030050-1032230): It was a Sunday, they just met her. participantOne:(1030070-1032230): It was a Sunday, they just met her. participantTwo:(1032290-1039250): You know that day and got the information about dialing sure clearly that was the priority, but then you know, when this is over man. participantOne:(1032310-1039250): You know that day and got the information about dialing sure clearly that was the priority, but then you know, when this is over man. participantOne:(1039250-1047010): You need to have a full debriefing with her and I I would say, do it right then, but nonetheless they let her go? participantTwo:(1039250-1047010): You need to have a full debriefing with her and I I would say, do it right then, but nonetheless they let her go? participantTwo:(1047470-1051690): She goes back to, uh, you know, the apartment where dealings are staying. participantOne:(1047470-1051670): She goes back to, uh, you know, the apartment where dealings are staying. participantOne:(1051710-1052550): That she's. participantTwo:(1051730-1052550): That she's. participantOne:(1052590-1053610): She maintains. participantTwo:(1052590-1053610): She maintains. participantTwo:(1054250-1057430): I don't know exactly what the living arrangements were. participantOne:(1054250-1057390): I don't know exactly what the living arrangements were. participantOne:(1057590-1073890): But it was not the the apartment was on Hall Street, not far from the bar graph feeder and she just cleaned out anything that was you know, there that that deliver have because a couple weeks later, some boys swimming in Lake, Michigan. participantTwo:(1057590-1073850): But it was not the the apartment was on Hall Street, not far from the bar graph feeder and she just cleaned out anything that was you know, there that that deliver have because a couple weeks later, some boys swimming in Lake, Michigan. participantTwo:(1074590-1081850): Uh, just down from the from from where the apartment would've been the closest path to a Lake Michigan. participantOne:(1074590-1081850): Uh, just down from the from from where the apartment would've been the closest path to a Lake Michigan. participantOne:(1082690-1085970): Uh, these boys swimming find to Thompson. participantTwo:(1082690-1085970): Uh, these boys swimming find to Thompson. participantOne:(1085970-1088490): Submachine GANs a 45. participantTwo:(1085970-1088490): Submachine GANs a 45. participantTwo:(1088550-1092970): Automatic pistol, a couple of ballistic vest, maybe even some ammunition. participantOne:(1088550-1092970): Automatic pistol, a couple of ballistic vest, maybe even some ammunition. participantTwo:(1093760-1096100): You know, and so clearly Anna, Sage. participantOne:(1093760-1096100): You know, and so clearly Anna, Sage. participantTwo:(1096100-1103760): And maybe I don't know if she had an accomplice, but you know, she dumped all that in the Lake that night did deliver have any money. participantOne:(1096100-1103760): And maybe I don't know if she had an accomplice, but you know, she dumped all that in the Lake that night did deliver have any money. participantOne:(1104000-1114840): Whatever, uh, and and we know that she also was in courts and we'll explain all this later with a East Chicago, Indiana police officer name Martin each. participantTwo:(1104000-1114840): Whatever, uh, and and we know that she also was in courts and we'll explain all this later with a East Chicago, Indiana police officer name Martin Markovich. participantTwo:(1114940-1115260): That. participantOne:(1114960-1115260): That. participantTwo:(1116240-1117380): Very possibly. participantOne:(1116240-1117380): Very possibly. participantOne:(1117380-1124580): If once we get into the whole impostor thing is very possibly could have been involved in this thing. participantTwo:(1117380-1124580): If once we get into the whole imposture thing is very possibly could have been involved in this thing. participantTwo:(1124620-1127440): So it was really weird that they left a message. participantOne:(1124620-1127440): So it was really weird that they left a message. participantOne:(1127440-1128420): Go that night. participantTwo:(1127440-1128400): Go that night. participantTwo:(1128440-1146620): Uh, you know with you know, [laughter], because the FBI was in its infancy and didn't have protocols like that would you say it that is entirely reasonable because and clearly the the objective of the night was to get delivered a they had they apparently successfully did that. participantOne:(1128480-1146620): Um, you know with you know, because the FBI was in its infancy and didn't have protocols like that would you say, but that is entirely reasonable because and clearly the the objective of the night was to get delivered a they had they apparently successfully did that. participantTwo:(1146800-1148240): And that became the priority. participantOne:(1146820-1148280): And that became the priority. participantTwo:(1148520-1151740): So, um, you know an a Sage at that. participantOne:(1148540-1151740): So, um, you know an sh at that. participantOne:(1151740-1153920): Hey, she she got us what we needed. participantTwo:(1151740-1153920): Hey, she she got us what we needed. participantOne:(1153960-1155260): Did they pay her the reward? participantTwo:(1153980-1155260): Did they pay her the reward? participantTwo:(1156470-1159330): Um, I that's a good question. participantOne:(1156470-1159310): Um, I that's a good question. participantOne:(1159310-1159430): <unk>. participantTwo:(1159330-1159430): <unk>. participantTwo:(1159430-1160310): I don't remember I'll. participantOne:(1159430-1160310): I don't remember I'll. participantOne:(1160310-1176250): Have to double check on that because there was an issue about the reward and I want to say that that she actually did get she had to split it with the because is the one that she actually told first of all being the co police officer. participantTwo:(1160310-1176270): Have to double check on that because there was an issue about the reward and I want to say that that she actually did get she had to split it with the because is the one that she actually told first of all being the co police officer. participantTwo:(1177070-1179150): Um, and she told him about it first. participantOne:(1177070-1179150): Um, and she told him about it first. participantTwo:(1179190-1184890): He encouraged her or he got in touch with the FBI and said, Hey, I've, got somebody that you guys may need to talk to. participantOne:(1179190-1184890): He encouraged her or he got in touch with the FBI and said, Hey, I've, got somebody that you guys may need to talk to. participantOne:(1184930-1189710): So I think they ended up splitting the the reward, but I I'll have to double check on that. participantTwo:(1184950-1189710): So I think they ended up splitting the the reward, but I I'll have to double check on that. participantTwo:(1189710-1192330): Um, um, I haven't read that stuff in a while. participantOne:(1189710-1192330): Um, um, I haven't read that stuff in a while. participantTwo:(1192530-1195030): Did the FBI ever think that dealing himself? participantOne:(1192530-1195050): Did the FBI ever think that dealing himself? participantTwo:(1195070-1195670): Orchestrated. participantOne:(1195090-1195670): Orchestrated. participantTwo:(1195670-1196170): All this. participantOne:(1195670-1196170): All this. participantTwo:(1197220-1199860): And that he got a impostor to go that night. participantOne:(1197220-1199860): And that he got a impostor to go that night. participantOne:(1199900-1202320): No, uh, the Bureau never. participantTwo:(1199900-1202320): No, uh, the Bureau never. participantTwo:(1202400-1205580): You know, if that was ever discussed or pondered. participantOne:(1202400-1205580): You know, if that was ever discussed or pondered. participantOne:(1205620-1209000): Uh, that was never anything that was put down on paper. participantTwo:(1205620-1209020): Uh, that was never anything that was put down on paper. participantOne:(1209140-1214120): Um, and no indications of it because what we're gonna find later on. participantTwo:(1209140-1214120): Um, and no indications of it because what we're gonna find later on. participantTwo:(1214120-1215660): We really go into this stuff. participantOne:(1214120-1215700): We really go into this stuff. participantOne:(1215860-1221100): Is that a a Indiana state police a trooper? participantTwo:(1215860-1221100): Is that a a Indiana state police a trooper? participantOne:(1221140-1224360): Detective I'm not sure exactly what his title was named Matt Leach. participantTwo:(1221140-1224360): Detective I'm not sure exactly what his title was named Matt Leach. participantOne:(1224400-1230000): He he, he has some real problems and thinks that you know that the Leach. participantTwo:(1224400-1230000): He he, he has some real problems and thinks that you know that the Leach. participantTwo:(1230040-1236660): I mean, that a each a at a minimum had been protecting Bellingham was correct. participantOne:(1230040-1236660): I mean, that a each a at a minimum had been protecting Bellingham was correct. participantOne:(1237250-1242670): And that the Bureau should be looking into this and the Bureau don't wanna have anything to do with it. participantTwo:(1237250-1242670): And that the Bureau should be looking into this and the Bureau don't wanna have anything to do with it. participantOne:(1242710-1245550): The black ball a Mac Leach. participantTwo:(1242710-1245550): The black ball a Mac Leach. participantOne:(1245690-1251490): Uh in some some accounts a actually did some stuff to kind of ruin his carrier. participantTwo:(1245730-1251490): Uh in some some accounts a actually did some stuff to kind of ruin his carrier. participantTwo:(1251530-1258230): So, um, yeah, there's a whole lot to this that's, not really public that that I think. participantOne:(1251530-1258230): So, um, yeah, there's a whole lot to this that's, not really public that that I think. participantOne:(1258230-1261770): It's very very questionable about questionable about this case. participantTwo:(1258230-1261770): It's very very questionable about questionable about this case. participantTwo:(1262140-1263340): We are getting that Stewart. participantOne:(1262140-1263340): We are getting that Stewart. participantOne:(1263380-1265540): Yeah, when are we doing that Stewart [laughter]? participantTwo:(1263380-1265580): Yeah, when are we doing that Stewart [laughter]? participantOne:(1265580-1272680): It fill more is that a film or report a or is it report part to it's gonna be far too. participantTwo:(1265620-1272680): It fill more is that a film or report a or is it report part to it's gonna be far too. participantOne:(1272680-1277640): You gotta hang around for that parte [laughter]. participantTwo:(1272680-1277660): You gotta hang around for that parte [laughter]. participantOne:(1277680-1278980): Yeah, [laughter]. participantTwo:(1277700-1278980): Yeah, [laughter]. participantOne:(1279530-1280010): What happened? participantTwo:(1279570-1280010): What happened? participantTwo:(1280010-1281050): Hello, I don't get any. participantOne:(1280010-1281050): Hello, I don't get any. participantOne:(1281050-1282850): I don't get a piece of this by at the top. participantTwo:(1281050-1282850): I don't get a piece of this by at the top. participantOne:(1282850-1285470): The top billing fine, I'll. participantTwo:(1282850-1285470): The top billing fine, I'll. participantOne:(1285470-1288630): Just be the host Jesus [laughter]. participantTwo:(1285470-1288630): Just be the host Jesus [laughter]. participantOne:(1288630-1290050): You guys [laughter]. participantTwo:(1288630-1290050): You guys [laughter]. participantTwo:(1290150-1293390): Um, also a clear ice is a thing for. participantOne:(1290150-1293390): Um, also a clear ice is a thing for. participantOne:(1296240-1296780): Okay. participantTwo:(1296240-1296780): Okay. participantOne:(1296820-1299040): All right, so oh my gosh, really can't. participantTwo:(1296820-1299040): All right, so oh my gosh, really can't. participantTwo:(1299080-1299620): See it. participantOne:(1299080-1299620): See it. participantOne:(1299880-1301160): Yeah, you can't see it in there. participantTwo:(1299880-1301160): Yeah, you can't see it in there. participantTwo:(1301160-1301580): Now. participantOne:(1301160-1301580): Now. participantOne:(1302060-1307340): And I can tell you in looking through it like I I can just see my hand straight through the glass. participantTwo:(1302060-1307340): And I can tell you in looking through it like I I can just see my hand straight through the glass. participantTwo:(1307380-1310000): So clear ice for anyone out there. participantOne:(1307380-1310000): So clear ice for anyone out there. participantTwo:(1310000-1310940): That's listing the. participantOne:(1310000-1310940): That's listing the. participantTwo:(1312170-1322330): For your your your liquor or for any beverage that you wanna use ice in a there's a there's, a process to clear ice and I don't know if it would work. participantOne:(1312170-1322330): For your your your liquor or for any beverage that you wanna use ice in a there's a there's, a process to clear ice and I don't know if it would work. participantOne:(1322330-1324350): So much with John Dillinger beer. participantTwo:(1322330-1324350): So much with John Dillinger beer. participantOne:(1324690-1325530): Whatever [laughter]. participantTwo:(1324690-1325470): Whatever [laughter]. participantOne:(1325530-1332370): No I've I've, never been one for ice in my beer, but I did wanna I did wanna transition to a couple things. participantTwo:(1325550-1332370): No I've I've, never been one for ice in my beer, but I did wanna I did wanna transition to a couple things. participantOne:(1332370-1332990): Stewart you're. participantTwo:(1332370-1332990): Stewart you're. participantTwo:(1332990-1335690): Always a usually haven't. participantOne:(1332990-1336910): Always a usually haven't haven't, drink on the part. participantTwo:(1335690-1336910): I haven't drink on the part. participantTwo:(1336910-1339090): Yes, I usually for for for those out there. participantOne:(1336910-1339090): Yes, I usually for for for those out there. participantOne:(1339090-1345870): I usually have a cocktail going for this because it's to me this is relaxing this is fun stuff. participantTwo:(1339090-1345870): I usually have a cocktail going for this because it's to me this is relaxing this is fun stuff. participantOne:(1345870-1347150): I'm really into it. participantTwo:(1345870-1347130): I'm really into it. participantOne:(1347330-1350670): A and I really enjoy it and so it's, just a great experience for me. participantTwo:(1347330-1350670): A and I really enjoy it and so it's, just a great experience for me. participantOne:(1350670-1353790): And so I usually will have an adult beverage as we go along. participantTwo:(1350670-1353790): And so I usually will have an adult beverage as we go along. participantTwo:(1355760-1359100): And and uh, and with that team, we talked about this. participantOne:(1355760-1359080): And and uh, and with that team, we talked about this. participantOne:(1359120-1361620): Dylan sure, black dog brewing public. participantTwo:(1359140-1361620): Dylan sure, black dog brewing public. participantOne:(1361620-1365900): Any number one Brown nail from a Morris Ville, Indiana. participantTwo:(1361620-1365900): Any number one Brown nail from a Morris Ville, Indiana. participantOne:(1365940-1367840): So the the breweries, right there. participantTwo:(1365940-1367840): So the the breweries, right there. participantOne:(1367940-1374800): So a Travis put this in the group chat and I thought it was a good thing to mention a it looks really good. participantTwo:(1367940-1374800): So a Travis put this in the group chat and I thought it was a good thing to mention a it looks really good. participantOne:(1374800-1376260): I kinda wanna kinda wanna get something. participantTwo:(1374800-1376260): I kinda wanna kinda wanna get something. participantTwo:(1376300-1380850): It's a good that's a good one it's. participantOne:(1376300-1380850): It's a good that's a good one it's. participantTwo:(1380850-1382030): Just down the road from you right. participantOne:(1380850-1382030): Just down the road from you right. participantOne:(1382030-1382590): Travis. participantTwo:(1382030-1382550): Travis. participantTwo:(1382950-1385950): Yeah, I mean, it's, right down the road on state road 67. participantOne:(1383010-1385950): Yeah, I mean, it's, right down the road on state road 67. participantTwo:(1386290-1389350): I mean, it's probably not even five minutes outside of normal. participantOne:(1386290-1389310): I mean, it's probably not even five minutes outside of normal. participantOne:(1389350-1400310): So that's on the that wouldn't that would be on the same road that delivered took of when he began his nine year prison sentence had to go down to Martinsville just South of Morris Ville for that. participantTwo:(1389410-1400310): So that's on the that wouldn't that would be on the same road that delivered took of when he began his nine year prison sentence had to go down to Martinsville just South of Morris Ville for that. participantOne:(1401000-1410200): That final ride going the penitentiary in interest department is the the store where you can go buy this at it used to be a gun range. participantTwo:(1401000-1410200): That final ride going the penitentiary in interest department is the the store where you can go buy this at it used to be a gun range. participantOne:(1411490-1411950): Bye. participantTwo:(1411490-1411950): Bye. participantOne:(1413070-1415370): Always a connection there's always a connection. participantTwo:(1413070-1415370): Always a connection there's always a connection. participantOne:(1415670-1416470): So yeah, there's. participantTwo:(1415670-1416470): So yeah, there's. participantOne:(1416470-1417150): So many. participantTwo:(1416470-1417150): So many. participantOne:(1417150-1418730): Uh, connections on this thing. participantTwo:(1417150-1418730): Uh, connections on this thing. participantTwo:(1418790-1419770): And I feel like Stewart. participantOne:(1418790-1419770): And I feel like Stewart. participantTwo:(1419830-1422850): We wanna definitely get you that beer somehow. participantOne:(1419850-1422870): We wanna definitely get you that beer somehow. participantOne:(1422950-1426050): I don't know how we're gonna do it, but yeah, yeah, absolutely. participantTwo:(1422970-1426050): I don't know how we're gonna do it, but yeah, yeah, absolutely. participantOne:(1426050-1430870): I you know a Hey, maybe they could be a sponsor to the show or something to start us out. participantTwo:(1426050-1430870): I you know a Hey, maybe they could be a sponsor to the show or something to start us out. participantTwo:(1430910-1436670): Yeah, I'd be I'd be more than happy to, uh to rate there beer right here on the show. participantOne:(1430910-1436670): Yeah, I'd be I'd be more than happy to, uh to rate there beer right here on the show. participantOne:(1437050-1441650): Oh. I think we we all could do that definitely the company. participantTwo:(1437050-1441650): Oh. I think we we all could do that definitely the company. participantTwo:(1441650-1441950): Yeah. participantOne:(1441650-1441950): Yeah. participantTwo:(1443630-1445170): Not a sponsor yet. participantOne:(1443630-1445190): Not a sponsor yet. participantTwo:(1445430-1450710): We will eventually we're aiming we're aiming for a lot of sponsors. participantOne:(1445430-1450730): We will eventually we're aiming we're aiming for a lot of sponsors. participantOne:(1450810-1452490): If you're if you're interested in sponsoring us. participantTwo:(1450810-1452490): If you're if you're interested in sponsoring us. participantTwo:(1452490-1458370): Great awesome, we I'm I'm open to trying whatever that was a sample. participantOne:(1452490-1458370): Great awesome, we way I I'm I'm open to trying whatever there was a sample. participantOne:(1458410-1460650): We all know that we're we're here for the money. participantTwo:(1458410-1460590): We all know that we're we're here for the money. participantTwo:(1460730-1463670): You know, that's the whole. that says that we just wanna get. participantOne:(1460830-1462270): You know, that's the whole. participantOne:(1462270-1464650): This is that we just wanna we get so much out of those. participantTwo:(1463670-1464670): So much out of this. participantOne:(1464810-1471030): I just that that got brought up to me this week and the one of my on my Facebook, messenger. participantTwo:(1464810-1471050): I just that that got brought up to me this week and the one of my eye on my Facebook, messenger. participantOne:(1471030-1481100): This you know, you're, you and your father only after frame and fortune this kind of people are saying to you just just people out on the Internet people. participantTwo:(1471050-1477930): This is you know, you're you and your father or only after frame and fortune saying this, what kind of people are saying. participantTwo:(1478750-1481090): Just just people out on the Internet people. participantTwo:(1481090-1482230): I don't know, they're. participantOne:(1481100-1482240): I don't know, they're. participantTwo:(1482230-1489250): Just you know, they find me a message me this stuff and you know my my account, I guess you mean, yeah, money and frame. participantOne:(1482240-1489310): Just you know, they find me message me this stuff and you know my my account, I guess you mean your money and frame. participantTwo:(1489250-1491130): It would be outstanding I'm. participantOne:(1489350-1491130): Would be outstanding I'm. participantTwo:(1491130-1497650): Not gonna lie that it would be a great bonus, but uncovering history and rewriting history. participantOne:(1491130-1497650): Not gonna lie that it would be a great bonus, but uncovering history and rewriting history. participantTwo:(1497690-1499090): It will outlive. participantOne:(1497690-1499110): It will outlive. participantTwo:(1499130-1499890): All the other. participantOne:(1499170-1500070): All the other. participantOne:(1500230-1502050): Yep, mentally I'm. participantTwo:(1500390-1506970): Yep, I mentally like why would you wanna continue on your life knowing that this history possibly could be wrong. participantOne:(1502050-1506990): Like why would you wanna continue on your life knowing that this history possibly could be wrong. participantTwo:(1507430-1508410): I know exactly. participantOne:(1507850-1508410): Exactly. participantOne:(1508450-1510310): Yeah, and then I get no response. participantTwo:(1508450-1510270): Yeah, and then I get no response. participantTwo:(1510310-1512810): So yeah, is what it is. participantOne:(1510350-1511350): So, [laughter]. participantOne:(1511780-1512800): Yeah, it is what it is. participantOne:(1512840-1514840): I mean, they they think it's a cane response. participantTwo:(1512850-1517470): I mean, they they think it's a can response and that you're just saying that to say that, but you know, Travis. participantOne:(1514840-1517480): And that you're just saying that to say that, but you know, Travis. participantTwo:(1517470-1523670): I I've I've known, you for a long time and I think every time I talk to you're asking me about money. participantOne:(1517480-1522360): I I've I've known, you for a long time and I think every time I talk to you. participantOne:(1522360-1523660): You're asking me about money. participantOne:(1523660-1525660): And fame and fortune and how can we get it. participantTwo:(1523670-1525650): And fame and fortune and how can we get it. participantTwo:(1526170-1528150): [laughter]. participantOne:(1526170-1528150): [laughter]. participantOne:(1528190-1532870): Well, obviously by how I found out how we found this part of fact you know, the map. participantTwo:(1528190-1532870): Well, obviously by how I found out how we found this part of fact you know, the map. participantTwo:(1532990-1534410): I guess we gotta dig for it. participantOne:(1532990-1534450): I guess we gotta dig for it. participantOne:(1534750-1535730): Yeah, we gotta take. participantTwo:(1534750-1535730): Yeah, we gotta take. participantTwo:(1535770-1536550): I want some bail. participantOne:(1535770-1536550): I want some bail. participantOne:(1536550-1537050): Bonds <unk>. participantTwo:(1536550-1537050): Bonds <unk>. participantTwo:(1537050-1538150): I want some bonds. participantOne:(1537050-1538150): I want some bonds. participantOne:(1538150-1539090): Do I want some? participantTwo:(1538150-1539110): Do I want some? participantOne:(1539290-1541010): I want some negligible bonds. participantTwo:(1539290-1541010): I want some negligible bonds. participantOne:(1541050-1542850): Yeah, negotiable bonds mailbox. participantTwo:(1541050-1542850): Yeah, negotiable bonds mailbox. participantOne:(1542850-1544950): You know, he's in jail he's bailing himself out. participantTwo:(1542850-1544950): You know, he's in jail he's bailing himself out. participantTwo:(1544950-1545390): All the time. participantOne:(1544950-1545390): All the time. participantTwo:(1545430-1547990): Machineguns found in the Lake. participantOne:(1545430-1547990): Machineguns found in the Lake. participantOne:(1548400-1549240): I wanna know what happened. participantTwo:(1548400-1549240): I wanna know what happened. participantOne:(1549240-1550040): Those. participantTwo:(1549240-1550040): Those. participantOne:(1550240-1553640): Well, I can tell you, they were both returned to one from. participantTwo:(1550240-1553640): Well, I can tell you, they were both returned to one from. participantOne:(1553640-1555520): Was was from Lake county, Indiana. participantTwo:(1553640-1555520): Was was from Lake county, Indiana. participantOne:(1555520-1565460): And the other was was from I believe Porter county and they had delivered stole them when he escape from the Crown. jail and one of them. participantTwo:(1555520-1565460): And the other was was from I believe Porter county and they had delivered stole them when he escape from the Crown. jail and one of them. participantTwo:(1565540-1570180): I forget which one I think the Porter county one was used villager gave it to somebody else. participantOne:(1565540-1570180): I forget which one I think the Porter county one was used villager gave it to somebody else. participantTwo:(1570220-1572420): A it was used in an another bank. participantOne:(1570220-1572420): A it was used in an another bank. participantTwo:(1572420-1573040): Robbery. participantOne:(1572420-1573040): Robbery. participantOne:(1573300-1574960): The Lake county 1. participantTwo:(1573300-1574960): The Lake county 1. participantTwo:(1576500-1577020): Hi I'm. participantOne:(1576500-1577020): Hi I'm. participantOne:(1577020-1578480): Forgetting where it's a. participantTwo:(1577020-1578480): Forgetting where it's a. participantOne:(1580080-1582520): I wanna say maybe deliver kept it. participantTwo:(1580080-1582520): I wanna say maybe deliver kept it. participantOne:(1583340-1586760): Oh man I'm dropping this, but nonetheless the Lake county. participantTwo:(1583360-1586760): Oh man I'm dropping this, but nonetheless the Lake county. participantOne:(1586800-1594580): Um, Thompson submachine gun is back with Lake county at the Sheriff's office and when I was on the, um, or Travis. participantTwo:(1586800-1594580): Um, Thompson submachine gun is back with Lake county at the Sheriff's office and when I was on the, um, or Travis. participantTwo:(1594580-1600060): And I were on the the expedition unknown show back in 2021 about villager in the map. participantOne:(1594580-1600060): And I were on the the expedition unknown show back in 2021 about villager in the map. participantTwo:(1600720-1602980): Um, I actually got to go up there with the host. participantOne:(1600720-1602980): Um, I actually got to go up there with the host. participantOne:(1602980-1606700): Josh gates to the Lake county Sheriff's office and they're indoor range. participantTwo:(1602980-1606700): Josh gates to the Lake county Sheriff's office and they're indoor range. participantTwo:(1606700-1610780): And we shot that very Thompson submachine gone. participantOne:(1606700-1610780): And we shot that very Thompson submachine gone. participantOne:(1610900-1614540): That was pulled out of the late and Anna, Sage had thrown in. participantTwo:(1610900-1615900): That was pulled out of the late and Anna, Sage had thrown in a that night. participantOne:(1614940-1620800): Uh, that night, uh, after villager was killed then the other one is improve Indiana <unk>. participantTwo:(1615940-1620800): Uh, after villager was killed then the other one is improve Indiana <unk>. participantTwo:(1620800-1622020): The prove police department. participantOne:(1620800-1622020): The prove police department. participantOne:(1622020-1622820): Hasn't last time. participantTwo:(1622020-1622820): Hasn't last time. participantTwo:(1622820-1626460): I knew it was non firing at the time. participantOne:(1622820-1626460): I knew it was non firing at the time. participantOne:(1626500-1629120): <unk>. participantTwo:(1626520-1629120): <unk>. participantTwo:(1629160-1637200): I promise you the late counting one is very much working because, um, you know the Thompson it's. participantOne:(1629160-1637200): I promise you the late counting one is very much working because, um, you know the Thompson it's. participantTwo:(1637200-1637480): Uh, it's. participantOne:(1637200-1637480): Uh, it's. participantOne:(1637480-1640580): Uh, the top submachine then it's a heavy a machine gun. participantTwo:(1637480-1640580): Uh, the top submachine then it's a heavy a machine gun. participantTwo:(1641230-1643290): It doesn't have much because it's. participantOne:(1641230-1643290): It doesn't have much because it's. participantTwo:(1643290-1644150): So heavy in the way. participantOne:(1643290-1644150): So heavy in the way. participantTwo:(1644150-1644850): It's designed it. participantOne:(1644150-1644850): It's designed it. participantOne:(1644850-1646150): Doesn't have much recall. participantTwo:(1644850-1646150): Doesn't have much recall. participantOne:(1646150-1650610): So it doesn't like push into your shoulder very hard, but it rises on. participantTwo:(1646150-1650610): So it doesn't like push into your shoulder very hard, but it rises on. participantTwo:(1650610-1657370): Yeah, so so the a so I I just was not ready for how much that barrel would rise? participantOne:(1650610-1657370): Yeah, so so the a so I I just was not ready for how much that barrel would rise? participantTwo:(1657370-1665310): And so when I you know, I I fired off a couple in single action or just a single round of a face of it. participantOne:(1657370-1665310): And so when I you know, I I fired off a couple in single action or just a single round of a face of it. participantOne:(1665470-1669210): You know, with one at a time and then when I switched the full auto. participantTwo:(1665470-1669190): You know, with one at a time and then when I switched the full auto. participantOne:(1669710-1670670): I I just wasn't read. participantTwo:(1669710-1670670): I I just wasn't read. participantTwo:(1670670-1675990): I think just kinda like that and I don't think I found again. participantOne:(1670670-1675990): I think just kinda like that and I don't think I found again. participantTwo:(1676110-1677830): It was just [laughter]. participantOne:(1676110-1677830): It was just [laughter]. participantOne:(1677830-1680890): Uh, I don't think I quite hit the ceiling, but I I gotta tell you. participantTwo:(1677830-1680890): Uh, I don't think I quite hit the ceiling, but I I gotta tell you. participantOne:(1680890-1682330): I was it was kind of embarrassing. participantTwo:(1680890-1682330): I was it was kind of embarrassing. participantTwo:(1682370-1686235): It really was, but uh, luckily that did not make it on the show. participantOne:(1682370-1686235): It really was, but uh, luckily that did not make it on the show. participantTwo:(1686275-1689335): [laughter], but no, it was very nice. participantOne:(1686275-1690095): [laughter], but no, it was very nice to Cheryl warranty. participantTwo:(1689335-1690095): The Sheriff warranty. participantOne:(1690095-1693415): Does let you fire that he's he's a great guy and a awesome. participantTwo:(1690095-1693415): Does let you fire that he's he's a great guy and a awesome. participantTwo:(1693415-1693975): Sheriff. participantOne:(1693415-1693975): Sheriff. participantOne:(1694075-1696675): Yes, yeah, it was it was really cool. participantTwo:(1694095-1696675): Yes, yeah, it was it was really cool. participantTwo:(1696675-1697915): It was really a lot of fun. participantOne:(1696675-1697915): It was really a lot of fun. participantTwo:(1697915-1701375): I was just humble to to be able to have been able to do that. participantOne:(1697915-1701375): I was just humble to to be able to have been able to do that. participantOne:(1702620-1705320): Great stories guys we're we're killing it tonight. participantTwo:(1702630-1705290): Great stories guys we're we're killing it tonight. participantTwo:(1705330-1709250): We're going off on all if you thought you were going one direction tonight with us. participantOne:(1705360-1709260): You're going off on all if you thought you were going one direction tonight with us. participantTwo:(1709290-1712430): You you're in for a treat because we went all over the place. participantOne:(1709300-1712420): You're you're in for a treat because we went all over the place. participantOne:(1712420-1714200): So, here's, the deal. participantTwo:(1712430-1714210): So, here's, the deal. participantTwo:(1714270-1721430): Um, we're gonna spend the next five to 10 minutes going over the cardiovascular findings on the autopsy. participantOne:(1714280-1721420): Um, we're gonna spend the next five to 10 minutes going over the cardiovascular findings on the autopsy. participantOne:(1721420-1732710): I know that sounds pretty intense, but it's pretty a simple finding again if you'd like a copy of this cylinder report fill more report about John villager. participantTwo:(1721430-1732710): I know that sounds pretty intense, but it's pretty a simple finding again if you'd like a copy of this cylinder report fill more report about John villager. participantOne:(1733170-1745050): You can go to our a link tree and sign up in our email and we'll send you one via email and your first listener it's, Stuart is the author. participantTwo:(1733210-1744990): You can go to our a link tree and sign up in our email and we'll send you one via email and your first listener it's, Stuart is the author. participantTwo:(1745430-1747570): Yes, Stewart is the author got it. participantOne:(1745450-1747570): Yes, Stewart is the author got it. participantOne:(1747670-1749270): All right, [laughter]. participantTwo:(1747670-1749270): All right, [laughter]. participantTwo:(1750570-1753990): Uh, I'm gonna share the screen and then a Stewart won't. participantOne:(1750570-1753990): Uh, I'm gonna share the screen and then a Stewart won't. participantOne:(1753990-1756350): You just go tell us what you're thinking about it. participantTwo:(1753990-1756410): You just go tell us what you're thinking about it. participantOne:(1756890-1758370): In general. participantTwo:(1756890-1758250): In general. participantOne:(1758510-1779750): Okay, so one of the things that the really jumps out when you read the autopsy report that is included in the FBI file of a villager in total was that you know, the the doctor described a very specific condition that the heart was in which is effectively rheumatic heart disease. participantTwo:(1758510-1779750): Okay, so one of the things that the really jumps out when you read the autopsy report that is included in the FBI file of a villager in total was that you know, the the doctor described a very specific condition that the heart was in which is effectively rheumatic heart disease. participantOne:(1779810-1783990): Um, caused by a Matic heart fever, fever from a childhood to it. participantTwo:(1779810-1783990): Um, caused by a Matic heart fever, fever from a childhood to it. participantTwo:(1783990-1790470): Was a childhood problem that was very common in those days and the result of it is some scarring or some. participantOne:(1783990-1790470): Was a childhood problem that was very common in those days and the result of it is some scarring or some. participantTwo:(1791040-1792220): Um, lumps. participantOne:(1791040-1792220): Um, lumps. participantTwo:(1792220-1823130): I guess would be a good word that are left on the inside valves of the heart and what this the effect of this is that the valve that you know, the heart has some Valls that open and close and that the the files really don't close properly and so this can create what's called a heart murmur and it's, not necessarily a fatal condition, but it's a condition that can make somebody, uh, uh, you know, prone to shortness of breath and not not have a lot of stamina. participantOne:(1792220-1823130): I guess would be a good word that are left on the inside valves of the heart and what this the effect of this is that the valve that you know, the heart has some Valls that open and close and that the the files really don't close properly and so this can create what's called a heart murmur and it's, not necessarily a fatal condition, but it's a condition that can make somebody, uh, uh, you know, prone to shortness of breath and not not have a lot of stamina. participantTwo:(1823170-1832130): Can can tire easy, especially with any kind of a exertion and so, uh, that clearly was was one of the things and there's. participantOne:(1823170-1832130): Can can tire easy, especially with any kind of a exertion and so, uh, that clearly was was one of the things and there's. participantTwo:(1832130-1835450): I mean, the doctor goes into pretty good detail in the report. participantOne:(1832130-1835430): I mean, the doctor goes into pretty good detail in the report. participantOne:(1835470-1837170): You know, about his findings of it. participantTwo:(1835490-1837170): You know, about his findings of it. participantOne:(1838040-1841260): And it that is incomplete. participantTwo:(1838040-1841260): And it that is incomplete. participantTwo:(1841340-1847320): Um, opposition to what we know about deliver is that he was very Athletic. participantOne:(1841340-1847320): Um, opposition to what we know about deliver is that he was very Athletic. participantTwo:(1847480-1855140): You know, we, uh, many many people have said that you know, he was good enough to have turned pro in baseball, certainly. participantOne:(1847500-1855140): You know, we, uh, many many people have said that you know, he was good enough to have turned pro in baseball, certainly. participantTwo:(1855560-1857180): You know, was a baseball player. participantOne:(1855560-1857180): You know, was a baseball player. participantOne:(1857180-1862860): We know that for sure, uh, so he clearly was Athletic enough and enjoyed it. participantTwo:(1857180-1862860): We know that for sure, uh, so he clearly was Athletic enough and enjoyed it. participantTwo:(1863860-1870520): Because one of the things is he gets transferred from the the uh, the juvenile person to the the big person. participantOne:(1863860-1870520): Because one of the things is he gets transferred from the the uh, the juvenile person to the the big person. participantTwo:(1870520-1872440): So that they can play the baseball team. participantOne:(1870520-1872460): So that they can play the baseball team. participantTwo:(1873040-1878120): Um, and you know, he's also, you know, is in the prison for nine years and nine years. participantOne:(1873060-1878120): Um, and you know, he's also, you know, is in the prison for nine years and nine years. participantOne:(1878120-1878740): I promise you. participantTwo:(1878120-1878740): I promise you. participantOne:(1878740-1882420): He was sick at some. and had to visit the infirmary there's. participantTwo:(1878740-1882420): He was sick at some. and had to visit the infirmary there's. participantOne:(1882420-1892660): No record of indication of them finding this heart murmur a you know when he was at the infirmary in the prison or when he had earlier had joined the navy. participantTwo:(1882420-1892660): No record of indication of them finding this heart murmur a you know when he was at the infirmary in the prison or when he had earlier had joined the navy. participantTwo:(1893310-1896870): Uh, I in his, uh, initial reports. participantOne:(1893310-1896870): Uh, I in his, uh, initial a reports. participantTwo:(1896870-1902550): You know, going into the navy, the health a screening that they would've done then now. participantOne:(1896870-1902550): You know, going into the navy, the health a screening that they would've done then now. participantTwo:(1902550-1906870): That's, not to say that that you know, it wasn't that maybe that it was slight. participantOne:(1902550-1906870): That's, not to say that that you know, it wasn't that maybe that it was slight. participantTwo:(1906870-1908090): Maybe it wasn't detected. participantOne:(1906870-1908090): Maybe it wasn't detected. participantTwo:(1908090-1910790): Maybe the maybe you know, it was something they didn't care about. participantOne:(1908090-1910790): Maybe the maybe you know, it was something they didn't care about. participantOne:(1910790-1912070): They just wanted bodies in. participantTwo:(1910790-1912090): They just wanted bodies in. participantOne:(1912810-1914470): Um, same thing with the prison. participantTwo:(1912810-1914470): Um, same thing with the prison. participantTwo:(1914510-1928150): Who cares this guy's a prisoner we're, not gonna you know, we're not gonna spend anytime worrying about him, but one of the things that made Ramos early on was the fact that he was called Jack rabbit because he could fault over these bank? participantOne:(1914510-1928150): Who cares this guy's a prisoner we're, not gonna you know, we're not gonna spend anytime worrying about him, but one of the things that made Ramos early on was the fact that he was called Jack rabbit because he could fault over these bank? participantTwo:(1928150-1938310): Counters and you know, and had no, uh, apparently, no indications of, uh, any physical distress or a 50. participantOne:(1928150-1938310): Counters and you know, and had no, uh, apparently, no indications of, uh, any physical distress or a 50. participantTwo:(1938530-1945970): You know, from doing you know, from being in gone fights a escaping bank robberies escaping jails. participantOne:(1938530-1945970): You know, from doing you know, from being in gone fights a escaping bank robberies escaping jails. participantTwo:(1946050-1946510): No there's. participantOne:(1946050-1946510): No there's. participantOne:(1946510-1954930): No account whatsoever of deliver having any kind of physical stress or fatigued that would be related to this heart condition. participantTwo:(1946510-1954890): No account whatsoever of deliver having any kind of physical stress or fatigued that would be related to this heart condition. participantTwo:(1955150-1957510): Was this heart condition diagnosed? participantOne:(1955150-1957510): Was this heart condition diagnosed? participantTwo:(1957550-1963070): Usually at this time when they were children is that what you're saying did you say that before. participantOne:(1957550-1963070): Usually at this time when they were children is that what you're saying did you say that before. participantOne:(1963190-1968850): Well, I think it was common at the time that rheumatic fever a was was more of a childhood. participantTwo:(1963190-1968810): Well, I think it was common at the time that rheumatic fever a was was more of a childhood. participantTwo:(1968910-1970550): Um, it occurred. participantOne:(1968910-1970550): Um, it occurred. participantOne:(1970590-1973650): More often in childhood than adulthood in those days. participantTwo:(1970590-1973650): More often in childhood than adulthood in those days. participantTwo:(1974250-1975390): Ah, so that's that's. participantOne:(1974260-1975400): Ah, so that's that's. participantTwo:(1975390-1981430): My assumption that this would have been something that he might have had from childhood there's again and I don't think in Travis. participantOne:(1975400-1981420): My assumption that this would have been something that he might have had from childhood there's again and I don't think in Travis. participantOne:(1981420-1988200): I don't know if there's maybe some family lower about this, you know, that that that John was maybe sick when he was young or something. participantTwo:(1981430-1988210): I don't know if there's maybe some family lower about this, you know, that that that John was maybe sick when he was young or something. participantOne:(1988200-1989780): Great question for Mike Thompson, right. participantTwo:(1988210-1989790): Great question from like Thompson, right. participantOne:(1989780-1990260): That one down. participantTwo:(1989790-1990250): That one down. participantTwo:(1990330-1992110): Absolutely yeah, yeah, there you go. participantOne:(1990360-1992100): Absolutely yeah, yeah, there you go. participantOne:(1992140-1997840): I mean the only thing I never knew that he possibly could have been like automatic. participantTwo:(1992150-1997830): I mean the only thing I ever knew that he possibly could have been like automatic. participantTwo:(1998810-2000730): Because when they moved to the form. participantOne:(1998820-2000740): Because when they moved to the form. participantOne:(2002000-2009920): The yes, the environment caused him to have a lot of allergy type issues, but nothing I've ever heard. participantTwo:(2002000-2009960): The yes, the environment caused him to have a lot of allergy type issues, but nothing I've ever heard. participantOne:(2010180-2019140): I mean, yeah, my dad would be a really good one because he talked to the rest of family members, but ever hearing him have any major health issues. participantTwo:(2010180-2019140): I mean, yeah, my dad would be a really good one because he talked to the rest of family members, but ever hearing him have any major health issues. participantOne:(2019140-2024580): Other than maybe some allergies or you know, like asthma related to the allergies. participantTwo:(2019140-2024580): Other than maybe some allergies or you know, like asthma related to the allergies. participantTwo:(2024620-2025900): That's, it that's the only thing. participantOne:(2024620-2025900): That's, it that's the only thing. participantOne:(2025900-2026380): I've ever heard. participantTwo:(2025900-2026380): I've ever heard. participantOne:(2027870-2033230): I mean, you mentioned, lupus in the report like that's that's. participantTwo:(2027870-2033230): I mean, you mentioned, lupus in the report like that's that's. participantTwo:(2033270-2039410): I mean, these are serious conditions that are associated with what the finding showed on the autopsy, right. participantOne:(2033270-2039410): I mean, these are serious conditions that are associated with what the finding showed on the autopsy, right. participantTwo:(2039610-2044510): That is a this is a huge thing for me for when you when we first talked about this. participantOne:(2039610-2044510): That is a this is a huge thing for me for when you when we first talked about this. participantOne:(2044510-2049730): This is a huge thing for me because yeah, someone who has this condition is. participantTwo:(2044510-2049730): This is a huge thing for me because yeah, someone who has this condition is. participantTwo:(2051000-2052000): Not Athletic. participantOne:(2051000-2052000): Not Athletic. participantOne:(2053420-2054300): Right now. participantTwo:(2053420-2054300): Right now. participantTwo:(2054340-2058480): Well, okay, so one of the things too that you know, <unk>. participantOne:(2054340-2058480): Well, okay, so one of the things too that you know, <unk>. participantTwo:(2058480-2062480): Well, when when we were researching this, you know, for for TV. participantOne:(2058480-2062480): Well, when when we were researching this, you know, for for TV. participantTwo:(2062720-2070760): Uh, one of the producers that we work with actually, did get in touch with a cardiologist and and it was the opinion of this cardiologists there's. participantOne:(2062720-2070760): Uh, one of the producers that we work with actually, did get in touch with a cardiologist and and it was the opinion of this cardiologists there's. participantTwo:(2070760-2074060): No way the body they described on this table. participantOne:(2070760-2074060): No way the body they described on this table. participantTwo:(2074060-2075200): Could not have done. participantOne:(2074060-2075200): Could not have done. participantTwo:(2075200-2081920): All the things that we know diligent did, uh, you know to be involved in these very, very stressful situations. participantOne:(2075200-2081920): All the things that we know diligent did, uh, you know to be involved in these very, very stressful situations. participantTwo:(2082280-2095220): But I you know on my own and and certainly I'm not I'm not a doctor, but I have actually read is a lot of research about this that that actually that that says the opposite. participantOne:(2082280-2095220): But I you know on my own and and certainly I'm not I'm not a doctor, but I have actually read it a lot of research about this that that actually that that says the opposite. participantOne:(2095220-2098820): That someone with this condition isn't necessarily. participantTwo:(2095220-2098820): That someone with this condition isn't necessarily. participantOne:(2098820-2104460): It might be something they can go through life with and not really even know that they had it or that it would ever repair their life. participantTwo:(2098820-2104460): It might be something they can go through life with and not really even know that they had it or that it would ever repair their life. participantOne:(2104500-2109900): So again as I said, really there's, nothing definitive on this. participantTwo:(2104500-2109900): So again as I said, really there's, nothing definitive on this. participantOne:(2109940-2113480): What we have to do is just go on what on circumstantially? participantTwo:(2109940-2113480): What we have to do is just go on what on circumstantially? participantOne:(2113520-2115870): What you know what all it? participantTwo:(2113520-2115870): What you know what all it? participantOne:(2115950-2119290): You know, does it keep do we keep adding pearls to the necklace? participantTwo:(2115950-2119290): You know, does it keep do we keep adding pearls to the necklace? participantTwo:(2119330-2123230): You know that we, uh, you know how does this add up in the contacts of everything. participantOne:(2119330-2123230): You know that we, uh, you know how does this add up in the contacts of everything. participantOne:(2123750-2126170): I think we can look at like the the film report. participantTwo:(2123750-2126170): I think we can look at like the the film report. participantOne:(2126310-2137580): It's a baseball game and and you're in the first inning and yeah, we might have a home run with the eyes or the years, but then something else comes up and you know the visitors gonna bad again. participantTwo:(2126310-2137580): It's a baseball game and and you're in the first inning and yeah, we might have a home run with the eyes or the years, but then something else comes up and you know the visitors gonna bad again. participantTwo:(2137580-2139000): We still got the second 3rd and 4th. participantOne:(2137580-2139000): We still got the second 3rd and 4th. participantOne:(2139000-2139920): Any to go through. participantTwo:(2139000-2139920): Any to go through. participantTwo:(2139960-2144660): Yeah, so yeah, yeah, this is definitely a pickle. participantOne:(2139960-2144640): Yeah, so yeah, um, yeah, this is definitely a pickle. participantTwo:(2144860-2147740): It is it really is a you know. participantOne:(2144860-2147740): It is it really is a you know. participantOne:(2148540-2155920): Because like I said, I my memory is that the cardiologists that we consulted about you know, for for the that was gonna be on the TV show. participantTwo:(2148540-2155920): Because like I said, I my memory is that the cardiologists that we consulted about you know, for for the that was gonna be on the TV show. participantOne:(2156740-2167880): Uh, just felt you know that this this this, whoever this was, you know that this autopsy portrays you know, was only has only years to live it was so bad. participantTwo:(2156740-2167880): Uh, just felt you know that this this this, whoever this was, you know that this autopsy portrays you know, was only has only years to live it was so bad. participantOne:(2167920-2169360): So,. participantTwo:(2167920-2169360): So,. participantTwo:(2170580-2171340): Something that. participantOne:(2170600-2171340): Something that. participantOne:(2172010-2177070): So the person would have had to have help getting around walk <unk>. participantTwo:(2172010-2177070): So the person would have had to have help getting around walk <unk>. participantOne:(2177150-2177890): Exactly. participantTwo:(2177150-2177890): Exactly. participantOne:(2177930-2185070): So you know, but then you have the other side that says it's, not as that somebody else you could live with this condition like that that sounds that's who different. participantTwo:(2177930-2185030): So you know, but then you have the other side that says it's, not as that somebody else you could live with this condition like that that sounds that's who different. participantOne:(2185410-2187410): Well, testimony. participantTwo:(2185410-2187410): Well, testimony. participantOne:(2187450-2188430): Well, it does. participantTwo:(2187450-2188430): Well, it does. participantTwo:(2188430-2199530): But let me clarify on that one thing that comes back to you is this was an actual cardiologists that our producer had contacted and talked to and gave this copy gave a copy of the autopsy report. participantOne:(2188430-2199530): But let me clarify on that one thing that comes back to you is this was an actual cardiologists that our producer had contacted and talked to and gave this copy gave a copy of the autopsy report. participantOne:(2200190-2201350): The the cardiologist. participantTwo:(2200190-2201350): The the cardiologist. participantTwo:(2201350-2209910): Red and stated that report and then the other flipside that we're presenting here is what I found in just looking it up on my own I'm, not a doctor. participantOne:(2201350-2209950): Red and stated that report and then the other flipside that we're presenting here is what I found in just looking it up on my own I'm, not a doctor. participantTwo:(2210150-2211050): Um, I've I've. participantOne:(2210150-2211050): Um, I've I've. participantOne:(2211050-2218370): Just found other accounts where people have said and not necessarily in the contacts villager, but that you know is there is a room. participantTwo:(2211050-2218370): Just found other accounts where people have said and not necessarily in the contacts villager, but that you know is there is a room. participantTwo:(2218370-2220730): Matic heart condition necessarily. participantOne:(2218370-2220730): Matic heart condition necessarily. participantOne:(2220770-2221970): Debilitating. participantTwo:(2220770-2221990): Debilitating. participantTwo:(2222230-2223250): Uh, you know. participantOne:(2222230-2223250): Uh, you know. participantOne:(2224500-2225280): Depending on it. participantTwo:(2224500-2225280): Depending on it. participantOne:(2225280-2228440): So, so depending on on how bad it is. participantTwo:(2225280-2228440): So, so depending on on how bad it is. participantOne:(2228440-2234760): I guess, but you know, again, that maybe this is something else we can do is we go along the show is let's. participantTwo:(2228440-2234760): I guess, but you know, again, that maybe this is something else we can do is we go along the show is let's. participantOne:(2234760-2236120): Get a cardiologists on here. participantTwo:(2234760-2236120): Get a cardiologists on here. participantTwo:(2236120-2236340): Let's. participantOne:(2236120-2236340): Let's. participantTwo:(2236340-2240540): Let him read the specific things that doctor laid out in the autopsy report. participantOne:(2236340-2240540): Let him read the specific things that doctor laid out in the autopsy report. participantOne:(2241060-2242760): And and let's get an opinion on it. participantTwo:(2241080-2242760): And and let's get an opinion on it. participantOne:(2242860-2243060): I'm. participantTwo:(2242860-2243060): I'm. participantOne:(2243060-2244940): Alright, so if you're I'm wide open to that. participantTwo:(2243060-2244940): Alright, so if you're I'm wide open to that. participantTwo:(2245060-2250000): If you're cardiologists on the on the listening, right now or you have a friend who's a cardiologist. participantOne:(2245060-2250000): If you're cardiologists on the on the listening, right now or you have a friend who's a cardiologist. participantOne:(2250000-2252140): And you like this podcast, send it to them. participantTwo:(2250000-2252140): And you like this podcast, send it to them. participantTwo:(2252140-2252600): We. participantOne:(2252140-2252600): We. participantOne:(2253840-2255180): Yes bring it on. participantTwo:(2253840-2255180): Yes bring it on. participantOne:(2255500-2257260): We would love to get the input. participantTwo:(2255500-2257260): We would love to get the input. participantTwo:(2257400-2259580): We either side of the argument. participantOne:(2257400-2259580): We either side of the argument. participantTwo:(2259580-2260660): We just want the input. participantOne:(2259580-2260660): We just want the input. participantTwo:(2261180-2263080): You know, you know what I really love about you. participantOne:(2261180-2263080): You know, you know what I really love about you. participantTwo:(2263080-2264280): Stewart is that I gave you. participantOne:(2263080-2264280): Stewart is that I gave you. participantTwo:(2264280-2270980): Five minutes to make a. and you mailed it, you just absolutely dominated [laughter]. participantOne:(2264280-2270980): Five minutes to make a. and you mailed it, you just absolutely dominated [laughter]. participantTwo:(2271020-2274280): I I love it and, um, again, it's suburban. participantOne:(2271100-2274280): I I love it and, um, again, it's suburban. participantOne:(2274880-2279180): It must be because you know talent like that doesn't come without lubrication. participantTwo:(2274880-2279180): It must be because you know talent like that doesn't come without lubrication. participantTwo:(2279260-2282200): So, um, we're really I'm on it to now. participantOne:(2279260-2282200): So, um, we're really I'm on it to now. participantOne:(2282200-2285820): You guys, um, thanks for listening folks. participantTwo:(2282200-2285820): You guys, um, thanks for listening folks. participantOne:(2285820-2287700): This is another we're gonna end the episode here. participantTwo:(2285820-2287700): This is another we're gonna end the episode here. participantOne:(2287740-2295480): Um, you're gonna come back next week or keep going down the list here as we come along and, um, of the delivery report. participantTwo:(2287740-2295480): Um, you're gonna come back next week or keep going down the list here as we come along and, um, of the delivery report. participantTwo:(2296280-2299280): The steward Fillmore report about John <unk>. participantOne:(2296280-2299280): The steward Fillmore report about John <unk>. participantOne:(2299520-2300860): Keep calling the report. participantTwo:(2299520-2300860): Keep calling the report. participantOne:(2300960-2302640): We've called I've I've called at that. participantTwo:(2300960-2302640): We've called I've I've called at that. participantOne:(2302640-2303720): Pretty much the whole time. participantTwo:(2302640-2303720): Pretty much the whole time. participantOne:(2303720-2304160): I've known. participantTwo:(2303720-2304160): I've known. participantTwo:(2304160-2306720): You it was always been the delivery report then. participantOne:(2304160-2306720): You it was always been the delivery report then. participantTwo:(2306780-2308780): Okay, let me I'll just I'll just tell you real quickly. participantOne:(2306780-2308780): Okay, let me I'll just I'll just tell you real quickly. participantTwo:(2308780-2316200): How the still call Fillmore report came about is when when Hollywood first told us we don't the store, the map? participantOne:(2308780-2316200): How the still call Fillmore report came about is when when Hollywood first told us we don't the store, the map? participantTwo:(2316200-2317720): I think you guys faced it. participantOne:(2316200-2317720): I think you guys faced it. participantTwo:(2317760-2319920): We wanna study the impostor theory. participantOne:(2317760-2319920): We wanna study the impostor theory. participantOne:(2319920-2326400): I looked into it and I started finding all these things that I just could not account for you know in this impostor. participantTwo:(2319920-2326400): I looked into it and I started finding all these things that I just could not account for you know in this impostor. participantTwo:(2326400-2326860): Theory. participantOne:(2326400-2326880): Theory. participantTwo:(2326900-2331980): So I just kinda just started writing it down and I thought, well, I'll make this in some form at that. participantOne:(2326920-2331980): So I just kinda just started writing it down and I thought, well, I'll make this in some form at that. participantOne:(2331980-2336940): If a producer or somebody you know, we'll have this to refer to plus there was so much. participantTwo:(2331980-2336940): If a producer or somebody you know, we'll have this to refer to plus there was so much. participantTwo:(2336940-2337780): I was taking in. participantOne:(2336940-2337780): I was taking in. participantTwo:(2337780-2339120): I didn't wanna forget it myself. participantOne:(2337780-2339120): I didn't wanna forget it myself. participantTwo:(2339160-2340900): So that's really how it came about. participantOne:(2339160-2340900): So that's really how it came about. participantOne:(2340960-2343620): Uh, the original title was there's me on the bone. participantTwo:(2340960-2343620): Uh, the original title was there's me on the bone. participantTwo:(2343660-2346140): [laughter]. participantOne:(2343660-2346140): [laughter]. participantTwo:(2346180-2347260): Yes, oh. well, that's. participantOne:(2346180-2347260): Yes, oh. well, that's. participantOne:(2347260-2348460): The subtitle of it. participantTwo:(2347260-2348460): The subtitle of it. participantTwo:(2348460-2348800): You know. participantOne:(2348460-2348800): You know. participantOne:(2349680-2355810): Questions, there's a lot more investigating, yes, we'll leave it at that. participantTwo:(2349680-2355810): Questions, there's a lot more investigating, yes, we'll leave it at that. participantTwo:(2355950-2357330): A lot more investigate folks. participantOne:(2355950-2357330): A lot more investigate folks. participantTwo:(2357330-2364430): Are gonna come back from work and as always like follow share a and subscribe and if you know a cardiologist. participantOne:(2357330-2364430): Are gonna come back from work and as always like follow share a 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