participantOne:(6600-7420): Infamous Indy. participantTwo:(6660-7440): Infamous Indy. participantOne:(7420-14500): Presents the digging up deliver project featuring, the Texas crime travelers and Travis Thompson I'm. participantTwo:(7440-9360): Presents the digging up deliver contra. participantTwo:(10400-14060): Featuring, the Texas crime travelers in Travis Thompson. participantTwo:(14180-15740): I'm, your host, Jill. participantOne:(14500-15080): Your host. participantTwo:(18650-22570): In the annals of American crime few figures room as large as John. participantOne:(18670-21210): In the annals of American crime few figures. participantOne:(21210-25230): Loom as large as John builder a mastermind bank Heights. participantTwo:(22570-24030): Just a master. participantTwo:(24030-25230): Mine bank Heights. participantOne:(25270-31990): His name became synonymous with brazen robberies and daring escapes questions of whether he escape an FBI. participantTwo:(25270-31970): His name became synonymous with Braden robberies and daring escapes questions of whether he escaped an FBI. participantTwo:(31970-35530): Ambush and the whereabouts of his buried loop persevere. participantOne:(31990-35730): Ambush and the whereabouts of his buried loop persevered. participantOne:(36530-38330): History offers one account. participantTwo:(36670-38330): History offers one account. participantTwo:(38370-40430): But there are whispers that tell us many. participantOne:(38530-40450): But there are whispers that tell us many. participantOne:(41690-44570): Join us as we go digging up cylinder. participantTwo:(41720-44880): Join us as we go digging up cylinder. participantTwo:(47040-47260): <unk>. participantOne:(49280-52060): Welcome to episode two of the digging up. participantTwo:(49280-52060): Welcome to episode two of the digging up. participantOne:(52060-54580): Villager podcast I'm, host, Joe Miller. participantTwo:(52060-54580): Villager podcast I'm, your host, Joe Miller. participantOne:(54700-59520): And the team is back Tosh steward Fillmore Travis Thompson. participantTwo:(54700-59520): And the team is back Tosh steward Fillmore Travis Thompson. participantOne:(59680-61040): Welcome back guys episode too. participantTwo:(59680-61040): Welcome back guys episode too. participantOne:(61220-62620): Oh. all right, let's. participantTwo:(61220-62620): Oh. all right, let's. participantTwo:(62620-63660): Do it [laughter]? participantOne:(62620-63660): Do it [laughter]? participantTwo:(63700-66860): So, uh, for our listeners, we told you this is advanced builder. participantOne:(63700-66860): So, uh, for our listeners, we told you this is advanced builder. participantOne:(66900-69060): But we really want to give you someone. participantTwo:(66900-69060): But we really want to give you someone. participantTwo:(69060-74360): Oh. one, please go back and listen to the full infamous, Indy episodes a digging up. participantOne:(69060-74360): Oh. one, please go back and listen to the full infamous, Indy episodes a digging up. participantTwo:(74360-81380): Villager on infinity that's what's called, um, er code or a 12312. participantOne:(74360-81380): Villager on infinity that's what's called, um, episode or or or a 12312. participantTwo:(81380-82200): And three, right. participantOne:(81380-82200): And three, right. participantTwo:(82240-86260): So, and part 23 are with Travis and a Mike as well. participantOne:(82240-86260): So, and part 23 are with Travis and a Mike as well. participantOne:(86920-88500): So, um, let's go I'm. participantTwo:(86920-88500): So, um, let's go I'm. participantOne:(88500-90520): Just gonna read through and have everybody. participantTwo:(88500-90520): Just gonna read through and have everybody. participantTwo:(90560-93060): Chime in with some, uh, if you find that. participantOne:(90560-93060): Chime in with some, uh, if you find that. participantTwo:(93100-102180): The background information needs to be elaborated on or something that has to do with this developing history that also, I do wanna call out Travis for coming up. participantOne:(93100-102180): The background information needs to be elaborated on or something that has to do with this developing history that also, I do want to call out Travis for coming up. participantTwo:(102220-106260): Corning a phrase that I think is gonna stick with the the entire time. participantOne:(102220-106260): Corning a phrase that I think is gonna stick with the the entire time. participantOne:(106260-107980): Tonight. participantTwo:(106260-107980): Tonight. participantTwo:(108160-109880): If he teach you anything. participantOne:(108160-109920): If he teach you anything. participantOne:(110000-113480): Uh, it he said it's called history breaking. participantTwo:(110000-113440): Uh, it he said it's called history breaking. participantTwo:(113660-115940): Yeah, we're doing a history breaking. participantOne:(113680-115940): Yeah, we're doing a history breaking. participantTwo:(116700-121080): Podcast, not ever do we really have a true crime history. participantOne:(116700-121080): Podcast, not ever do we really have a true crime history. participantTwo:(121080-123780): True crime pod gas that's developing. participantOne:(121080-123780): True crime pod gas that's developing. participantOne:(124520-126880): This is what this is you guys all doing. participantTwo:(124540-126880): This is what this is you guys all doing. participantTwo:(126880-132840): Okay before I just start going into this doing love love being hear anything. participantOne:(126880-132840): Okay before I just start going into this doing love love being hear anything. participantTwo:(132840-134720): You want to say the listeners before we get going. participantOne:(132840-134720): You want to say the listeners before we get going. participantOne:(136880-137700): Know the answers. participantTwo:(136880-137700): Know the answers. participantOne:(137700-138700): No silence. participantTwo:(137700-138700): No silence. participantOne:(138920-141180): Okay, here's here's. participantTwo:(138920-141180): Okay, here's here's. participantTwo:(141180-142520): Yeah, yeah, if you're watching you'll. participantOne:(141180-142520): Yeah, yeah, if you're watching you'll. participantOne:(142520-146800): See Stewart loves to drink a little maybe [laughter]. participantTwo:(142520-148480): See Stewart loves to drink a little maybe to Kiwi going tonight. participantOne:(146800-148480): I guess the key going tonight. participantOne:(148480-152860): Maybe burn next time, but you know, Hey, I understand why. participantTwo:(148480-152860): Maybe burn next time, but you know, Hey, I understand why. participantOne:(153040-153220): It's. participantTwo:(153040-153220): It's. participantOne:(153220-154780): All the crazy room blocks. participantTwo:(153220-154780): All the crazy room blocks. participantTwo:(154820-159100): We've had to go through [laughter]. participantOne:(154820-159100): We've had to go through [laughter]. participantOne:(160280-163260): This is a this is the background it's a little bit one O 1. participantTwo:(160280-163260): This is a this is the background it's a little bit one O 1. participantTwo:(163260-165360): So a John was born. participantOne:(163260-165360): So a John was born. participantTwo:(165440-172940): June 22nd 1903 in Indianapolis to a middle class grocery actually had multiple grocery stores, correct. participantOne:(165500-172940): June 22nd 1903 in Indianapolis to a middle class grocery actually had multiple grocery stores, correct. participantOne:(172940-173220): Stewart. participantTwo:(172940-173220): Stewart. participantOne:(174200-175560): A <unk>. participantTwo:(174200-175560): A <unk>. participantTwo:(175560-177220): You know, I'm not really sure about that. participantOne:(175560-177220): You know, I'm not really sure about that. participantTwo:(177260-179780): A Joe, uh, I know there was 1. participantOne:(177260-179780): A Joe, uh, I know there was 1. participantOne:(179780-184840): I know there was one main store possibly more than that to. participantTwo:(179780-184840): I know there was one main store possibly more than that to. participantOne:(186080-189360): John seniors, brother had an identical store. participantTwo:(186080-189360): John seniors, brother had an identical store. participantOne:(189400-190700): Not too far from the other 1. participantTwo:(189400-190700): Not too far from the other 1. participantTwo:(190740-194120): So they were both grocers interesting. participantOne:(190740-194120): So, they're, both grocers interesting. participantTwo:(194160-200700): Okay, so and you say middle class, meaning somewhat wealthy, his mother, John <unk>, mother died. participantOne:(194160-200700): Okay, so and you say middle class, meaning somewhat wealthy, his mother, John <unk>, mother died. participantOne:(200740-201920): When he was three years old? participantTwo:(200740-201920): When he was three years old? participantTwo:(201920-208920): His biological mother and he had an older sister named Audrey with whom he was very close and his father remarried when John was not. participantOne:(201920-208920): His biological mother and he had an older sister named Audrey with whom he was very close and his father remarried when John was not. participantOne:(209410-212550): Yep, John was basically a Rascal. participantTwo:(209410-212550): Yep, John was basically a Rascal. participantOne:(212590-217030): Good natured by all accounts, but restless and prone to petty. participantTwo:(212590-217030): Good natured by all accounts, but restless and prone to petty. participantOne:(217030-220390): Thefts a story that stands out for me for the last. participantTwo:(217030-220390): Thefts a story that stands out for me for the last. participantOne:(220470-221350): Um, from the digging up. participantTwo:(220470-221350): Um, from the digging up. participantOne:(221350-229570): Villager special that I did on infinity is that a it was easy to get booted off to or sent off to reform school. participantTwo:(221350-229570): Villager special that I did on infinity is that a it was easy to get booted off to or sent off to reform school. participantOne:(230550-232590): And he didn't get sent there. participantTwo:(230550-232590): And he didn't get sent there. participantTwo:(232630-235630): So yeah, you know how bad of a kid was. participantOne:(232630-235630): So yeah, you know how bad of a kid was. participantOne:(235630-237490): He really exactly. participantTwo:(235630-237490): He really exactly. participantOne:(237490-239850): Yeah, you know, so I mean, yeah, we're. participantTwo:(237490-239850): Yeah, you know, so I mean, yeah, we're. participantOne:(239850-240610): All rascals. participantTwo:(239850-240610): All rascals. participantTwo:(240610-243150): I mean, I definitely got caught doing stuff. participantOne:(240610-243150): I mean, I definitely got caught doing stuff. participantOne:(243150-248410): Should have been doing but you know, was he the John villager back then that he turned out to be? participantTwo:(243150-248410): Should have been doing but you know, was he the John villager back then that he turned out to be? participantOne:(248450-249010): We don't think. participantTwo:(248450-249010): We don't think. participantOne:(249010-249170): So. participantTwo:(249010-249170): So. participantOne:(250180-262740): His father moved to a farm in Roseville to get John away from the city and what the father considered a bad element John was still restless and join the navy to avoid car theft charge that is such a good story too. participantTwo:(250180-262740): His father moved to a farm in Roseville to get John away from the city and what the father considered a bad element John was still restless and join the navy to avoid car theft charge that is such a good story too. participantOne:(262740-265620): I really he literally steal the car drops. participantTwo:(262740-265620): I really he literally steal the car drops. participantTwo:(265620-267780): It off in the circle in Indianapolis. participantOne:(265620-267780): It off in the circle in Indianapolis. participantOne:(267780-269700): If you know anything about Indianapolis, Indiana. participantTwo:(267780-269700): If you know anything about Indianapolis, Indiana. participantTwo:(269900-291220): The circle is like where the monument is in the middle of the city and he like drives from with the stolen car and he drops it off and then a police officer finds him grab him by the caller essentially goes to call him in and he takes off running and he hides in a barn overnight and what's interesting is like he comes up with the idea to go into the navy during this situation. participantOne:(269900-291220): The circle is like where the monument is in the middle of the city and he like drives from with the stolen car and he drops it off and then a police officer finds him grab him by the caller essentially goes to call him in and he takes off running and he hides in a barn overnight and what's interesting is like he comes up with the idea to go into the navy during this situation. participantTwo:(291220-292580): Like it's like that's the best. participantOne:(291220-292580): Like it's like that's the best. participantOne:(292580-294980): I can come up with the whole idea. participantTwo:(292580-294980): I can come up with the whole idea. participantTwo:(294980-296880): Steal the car to me the girl. participantOne:(294980-296880): Steal the car to me the girl. participantTwo:(297360-299080): I think it was to impress a girl. participantOne:(297360-299080): I think it was to impress a girl. participantTwo:(299120-299880): Yeah, yeah. participantOne:(299120-299880): Yeah, yeah. participantTwo:(301020-306280): Yeah, yeah, Hey, yeah, you know, uh, I I you know, we've. participantOne:(301020-306280): Yeah, yeah, Hey, yeah, you know, uh, I I you know, we've. participantTwo:(306280-309120): All had stops probably just stupid. participantOne:(306280-309120): All had stops probably just stupid. participantOne:(309120-312720): So hard to it's hard to call him on that 1. participantTwo:(309120-312720): So hard to it's hard to call him on that 1. participantOne:(312760-317430): No, yeah, and how old was he then probably like 151617. participantTwo:(312760-317430): No, yeah, and how old was he then probably like 151617. participantOne:(318710-321610): Little older than that maybe I'd be a little bit older. participantTwo:(318710-321610): Little older than that maybe I'd be a little bit older. participantTwo:(321650-323050): Yeah, uh, I'd. participantOne:(321650-323050): Yeah, uh, I'd. participantOne:(323050-328890): Say, 18 or 19 God because he was, he was he was around 18 when they moved to mobile. participantTwo:(323050-328850): Say, 18 or 19 God because he was, he was he was around 18 when they moved to mobile. participantOne:(329850-333270): A few months after serving on the USS, Utah. participantTwo:(329850-333270): A few months after serving on the USS, Utah. participantTwo:(333610-336550): Which is a Pearl Harbor wasn't, which is a Pearl Harbor yet. participantOne:(333610-336550): Which is a Pearl Harbor wasn't, which is a Pearl Harbor yet. participantTwo:(337230-339890): Dellinger deserted and returned to Morris Ville. participantOne:(337230-339890): Dellinger deserted and returned to Morris Ville. participantOne:(339890-342370): Where he married barrel homeless? participantTwo:(339890-342370): Where he married barrel homeless? participantOne:(342450-343890): <unk>. participantTwo:(342450-343890): <unk>. participantTwo:(343890-344910): Uh huh. participantOne:(343890-344910): Uh huh. participantTwo:(346080-348380): I never, I never, I guess, I've, never seen it spelled out. participantOne:(346080-348380): I never, I never, I guess, I've, never seen it spelled out. participantTwo:(348380-349800): So, hopeless. participantOne:(348380-349800): So, hopeless. participantOne:(349960-351480): Um, he also. participantTwo:(349960-351480): Um, he also. participantOne:(351520-353280): Dishonorably discharged right. participantTwo:(351520-353280): Dishonorably discharged right. participantTwo:(354680-356180): Yeah, I think later on. participantOne:(354690-356190): Yeah, I think later on. participantTwo:(356180-356720): I forget. participantOne:(356190-356710): I forget. participantOne:(356710-361170): I think that was a few years later for some reason, but uh, I could be wrong about that. participantTwo:(356720-361180): I think that was a few years later for some reason, but uh, I could be wrong about that. participantTwo:(361220-361480): That's. participantOne:(361230-361470): That's. participantOne:(361470-362250): Okay, definitely. participantTwo:(361480-363800): Okay, yes, it was a dishonorable discharge. participantOne:(362250-363830): Yes, it was a dishonorable discharge. participantTwo:(363840-366960): Like he was he was in Boston and job shipped. participantOne:(364710-369770): He was in Boston and job ship off a wall. participantTwo:(368060-369740): Off a wall. participantTwo:(370260-370900): Got it. participantOne:(370270-372070): Got it delivered. participantTwo:(371620-373660): Was a very good baseball player. participantOne:(372070-373630): Was a very good baseball player. participantTwo:(373780-381480): And some said he couldn't even he could have even gone pro, but while playing on a local team a teammate named ed Singleton. participantOne:(373790-376110): And some said he couldn't even he couldn't even gone. participantOne:(376110-381490): Pro, but while playing on a local team a teammate named ed Singleton. participantTwo:(381700-387140): Talk him into robbing a local grocery named Frank Morgan and ed was his cousin right. participantOne:(381710-386950): Talk him into robbing a local broker named Frank Morgan and ed was his cousin right. participantTwo:(387520-398460): Yes, deliver attacked Morgan with a steel bowl wrapped in a cloth, but Morgan yelled for help and the robbery was a bundled. participantOne:(387610-398450): Yes, del injure attacked Morgan with a steal bolts wrapped in a cloth, but Morgan yelled for help and the robbery was a bundled. participantTwo:(399270-399670): Yeah. participantOne:(399280-399660): Yeah. participantOne:(400700-402360): Gosh, it went wrong. participantTwo:(400810-402350): Gosh, it went wrong. participantOne:(402660-403280): South. participantTwo:(402710-403270): South. participantTwo:(404350-404850): Stolen. participantOne:(404360-404860): Stolen. participantOne:(407920-408400): Man. participantOne:(408560-409260): So. participantTwo:(408570-409270): So. participantOne:(410260-421320): Fine, delivers father talked with the county prosecutor who convinced him to have villager plead guilty without the benefit of a lawyer, the George then sentenced deliver to 10-20 years. participantTwo:(410870-421310): Delivers father talked with the county prosecutor who convinced him to have villager plead guilty without the benefit of a lawyer, the George then sentenced cylinder 10-20 years. participantTwo:(421310-425460): Imprison received later, census. participantOne:(421320-425460): Imprison received later, census. participantTwo:(425560-434320): Yeah, this was this won't really one of the first kind of like big time things that delivery was like screw the system. participantOne:(425560-434320): Yeah, this was this won't really one of the first kind of like big time things that delivery was like screw the system. participantOne:(434820-437840): Yeah, this is this really is kind of defining moment. participantTwo:(434820-437840): Yeah, this is this really is kind of defining moment. participantOne:(437840-440120): I think where we're you know, we're deliver. participantTwo:(437840-440120): I think where we're you know, we're deliver. participantOne:(440880-444400): I I think he all held a bitterness about this. participantTwo:(440880-444400): I I think he all held a bitterness about this. participantTwo:(444400-448060): The rest of his life, but you know, Singleton <unk>. participantOne:(444400-448060): The rest of his life, but you know, Singleton <unk>. participantTwo:(448060-450460): This was Singleton's a lot. participantOne:(448060-450460): This was Singleton's a lot. participantOne:(450500-460210): You know, to Rob Morgan and you know a Singleton gets off relatively easy compared to deliver and you know, I. participantTwo:(450500-460210): You know, to Rob Morgan and you know a Singleton gets off relatively easy compared to deliver and you know, I. participantOne:(461750-465670): Hear who knows exactly why the judge was. participantTwo:(461750-465670): Hear who knows exactly why the judge was. participantOne:(465670-470490): So harsh on him, but nonetheless, he was and you know, he's still young, man. participantTwo:(465670-470490): So harsh on him, but nonetheless, he was and you know, he's still young, man. participantOne:(470490-475680): And the best years of his life or spent in the in the penitentiary terrible. participantTwo:(470490-475680): And the best years of his life or spent in the in the penitentiary terrible. participantOne:(475760-481600): And, uh, and he he was also the judges name was Joseph Williams. participantTwo:(475760-481600): And, uh, and he he was also the judges name was Joseph Williams. participantOne:(481600-487820): I love saying that because that's my middle name is William and so my first name is Joseph and we it's Stuart. participantTwo:(481600-487820): I love saying that because that's my middle name is William and so my first name is Joseph and we it's Stuart. participantOne:(487820-488700): I always talk about it. participantTwo:(487820-488700): I always talk about it. participantOne:(488700-494660): That this is a case where weird things like that are connecting us to history. participantTwo:(488700-494660): That this is a case where weird things like that are connecting us to history. participantTwo:(495150-499630): So, yep, gotta mentioning more as we go along, but but yes, absolutely there. participantOne:(495150-499630): So, yep, gotta mentioning more as we go along, but but yes, absolutely there. participantOne:(499630-499910): There's. participantTwo:(499630-499910): There's. participantOne:(499910-502730): All these little weird little twist and turns that. participantTwo:(499910-502730): All these little weird little twist and turns that. participantTwo:(502730-505590): Just it's just hard to deny that. participantOne:(502730-505590): Just it's just hard to deny that. participantOne:(505590-505790): There's. participantTwo:(505590-505790): There's. participantOne:(505790-507010): Some purpose to this thing. participantTwo:(505790-507010): Some purpose to this thing. participantTwo:(507010-511050): We're on, yep, Dillinger spent the next nine years in prison. participantOne:(507010-511050): We're on, yep, Dillinger spent the next nine years in prison. participantOne:(511770-518390): It was here that he met and befriended several men who taught him the art of bank robbery a real quick. participantTwo:(511770-518390): It was here that he met and befriended several men who taught him the art of bank robbery a real quick. participantOne:(518430-521090): The art of bank robbery who is the architect. participantTwo:(518430-521090): The art of bank robbery who is the architect. participantOne:(521090-526970): They call and then so it's Harry was like a student in that top Dilger. participantTwo:(521090-526970): They call and then so it's Harry was like a student in that top Dilger. participantTwo:(527170-535450): No, so so was one of the guys that he met and befriended <unk>, but a Pierpont and several others. participantOne:(527170-535450): No, so so was one of the guys that he met and befriended <unk>, but a Pierpont and several others. participantTwo:(535550-541850): Uh, had had had started the techniques of a bank Romer name Darren Lamb that's <unk>. participantOne:(535550-541850): Uh, had had had started the techniques of a bank Romer name Darren Lamb that's <unk>. participantOne:(541890-546610): Yeah, who essentially carried out bank robberies as as a military operation. participantTwo:(541910-546610): Yeah, who essentially carried out bank robberies as as a military operation. participantTwo:(547170-549950): The bank was studied surveillance. participantOne:(547170-549950): The bank was studied surveillance. participantTwo:(549990-552650): Uh, you know, days or weeks ahead of time. participantOne:(549990-552650): Uh, you know, days or weeks ahead of time. participantTwo:(552910-558630): Uh, an exit route was determined each each person involved in the bank. participantOne:(552950-558630): Uh, an exit route was determined each each person involved in the bank. participantOne:(558630-563130): Robbery had a specific job and a duty to do it was timed out. participantTwo:(558630-563110): Robbery had a specific job and a duty to do it was timed out. participantTwo:(563150-572510): Uh, you know it was planned down to the minute and then the had gas in them and exactly they the tires aired up tires. participantOne:(563190-572510): Uh, you know it was planned down to the minute and then the had gas in them and exactly they the tires aired up tires. participantOne:(572510-575950): They like Todd said they they stored gas in cans. participantTwo:(572510-575950): They like Todd said they they stored gas in cans. participantOne:(575990-588220): A the hidden out of you know, part of the route where they were going to it was very well planned and carried out like a military operation and so that these are the people that billing met in prison. participantTwo:(575990-580470): A the hidden a out of you know, I'm part of the router. participantTwo:(580470-588230): They were going to it was very well planned carried out like a military operation and so that these are the people that deliver met in prison. participantOne:(588220-590460): It was like it was bank robbery one O 1. participantTwo:(588230-590530): It was like it was bank robbery one O 1. participantTwo:(591230-592370): And and not to mention. participantOne:(591260-592360): And and not to mention. participantOne:(592360-594160): They got plenty of time to learn it. participantTwo:(592370-594170): They got plenty of time to learn it. participantOne:(594200-596000): So yeah, [laughter]. participantTwo:(594210-595910): So yeah, <unk>. participantTwo:(595910-601210): And just young and being like you know, really really the admissions right. participantOne:(596080-601210): And just young and being like you know, really really the admissions right. participantOne:(601210-605790): So, um, and and even so, uh, his criminal career right. participantTwo:(601210-605790): So, um, and and even so, uh, his criminal career right. participantOne:(605790-609310): So he went to jail it says he went there for nine years. participantTwo:(605790-609350): So he went to jail it says he went there for nine years. participantOne:(609690-611590): You on a 10 year to 20 year sentence. participantTwo:(609690-611590): You on a 10 year to 20 year sentence. participantOne:(611590-619110): So he obviously got a year early after his family and friends came forth and petitioned including the judge. participantTwo:(611590-619250): So he obviously got a year early after his family and friends came forth and petitioned including the judge. participantTwo:(619820-621700): A including a old pastor. participantOne:(619820-621700): A including a old pastor. participantTwo:(621700-624220): I think wasn't his password name film or something. participantOne:(621700-624220): I think wasn't his password name film or something. participantTwo:(624220-628320): And his password name was Phil more. participantOne:(624220-628320): And his password name was Phil more. participantTwo:(628320-634500): And, um, he actually not only a site to get John released. participantOne:(628320-634500): And, um, he actually not only a site to get John released. participantOne:(634540-638880): You know, on parole, but also ended up recent approaching. participantTwo:(634540-638880): You know, on parole, but also ended up recent approaching. participantOne:(638880-641400): His, uh, usually G at at is a funeral. participantTwo:(638880-641400): His, uh, usually G at at is a funeral. participantTwo:(644230-644750): Yeah, yeah. participantOne:(644230-644750): Yeah, yeah. participantOne:(645770-646330): Yeah. participantTwo:(645770-646330): Yeah. participantTwo:(647330-647970): Not not that. participantOne:(647330-647970): Not not that. participantOne:(647970-653850): I know he was also a song writer and wrote like an unbelievable number of Church him 's. participantTwo:(647970-653850): I know he was also a song writer and wrote like an unbelievable number of Church him 's. participantTwo:(653890-655190): So,. participantOne:(653890-655190): So,. participantOne:(658490-660010): I've, never gotten a song. participantTwo:(658490-660010): I've, never gotten a song. participantTwo:(660010-669110): So that may not you know with no connection probably, um, we go into his criminal career a little bit longer was a rolled in 1933 very shortly. participantOne:(660010-669110): So that may not you know with no connection probably, um, we go into his criminal career a little bit longer was upper molding 1933 very shortly. participantOne:(669110-669870): After his release. participantTwo:(669110-669870): After his release. participantTwo:(669870-671920): He robbed a bank in in. participantOne:(669870-671920): He robbed a bank in in. participantTwo:(671920-679240): Ohio and then he helped several of his friends break out of the Indiana penitentiary in Michigan city, but they formed a game. participantOne:(671920-679240): Ohio and then he helped several of his friends break out of the Indiana penitentiary in Michigan city, but they formed a game. participantTwo:(679240-685420): Consisting consisting of Harry Pierpont, John Hamilton Charles Mackey and Russell Clark. participantOne:(679240-685420): Consisting consisting of Harry Pierpont, John Hamilton Charles Mackey and Russell Clark. participantTwo:(686110-687770): They were all very successful. participantOne:(686110-687770): They were all very successful. participantOne:(687810-696210): A several bank robberies and deliver gain notoriety for jumping over bank counters and being very polite during the robberies during this time. participantTwo:(687810-696210): A several bank robberies and deliver gain notoriety for jumping over bank counters and being very polite during the robberies during this time. participantOne:(696210-706150): Villager was a protected by an East Chicago, Indiana police officer name Martin <unk>, which is had a girlfriend named Anna. participantTwo:(696210-706150): Villager was a protected by an East Chicago, Indiana police officer name Martin <unk>, which is had a girlfriend named Anna. participantOne:(708010-708230): I'm. participantTwo:(708030-708250): I'm. participantOne:(708230-708850): Not sure. participantTwo:(708250-708810): Not sure. participantTwo:(710170-710670): Well. participantOne:(710190-711910): Well, it's really. participantOne:(712970-715230): You're giving it away there, Joe. participantTwo:(712970-716590): You're giving away there, Joe Ali. participantTwo:(717970-722530): Ana and Anna, Anna stages real name was Anna coupon us. participantOne:(718050-718750): Donna. participantOne:(718810-723310): And Anna, Anna stages real name was Anna Thomas <unk>. participantOne:(723310-725770): And may have the pronunciation wrong. participantTwo:(723850-725770): I may have the pronunciation wrong. participantTwo:(725810-728710): She was in a legal Romanian citizen. participantOne:(725810-728710): She was an illegal Romanian citizen. participantTwo:(728710-734290): That, uh, have been living in the Chicago for many many years and ran a brothel there. participantOne:(728710-734170): That had been living in Chicago for many many years and ran a brothel there. participantTwo:(734510-760260): Ah, she was the girlfriend an informant of Martin East Chicago, Indiana police officer that's a in the early days of the delivery gaming gave protection, a a a to the game and villager personally and we'll later, play a part in actually the the take down villager at the biographic and is gonna be a very interesting. participantOne:(734530-756820): Ah, she was the girlfriend an informant of Martin deceased Chicago, Indiana police officer that's a in the early days of the delivery gaming gave protection, a a a to the game and the villager personally and we'll later, play a part in actually the the take down villager at the diagram. participantOne:(756820-760260): Feeder and is gonna be a very interesting. participantTwo:(760300-762560): A name for our history. participantOne:(760300-762560): A name for our history. participantOne:(762560-763660): Breaking podcasts. participantTwo:(762560-763660): Breaking podcasts. participantTwo:(763660-765000): Are developing history. participantOne:(763660-765000): Are developing history. participantOne:(765000-765760): Podcast. participantTwo:(765000-765760): Podcast. participantOne:(765800-778180): Yeah, I think I think ultimately when we talk about when we get into talking about the impostor theory and you know what was it actually deliver killed at the bar graph heater is <unk>, which is gonna be a key player in this. participantTwo:(765800-778180): Yeah, I think I think ultimately when we talk about when we get into talking about the impostor theory and you know what was it actually deliver killed at the bar graph heater is <unk>, which is gonna be a key player in this. participantTwo:(778220-781680): Uh, as far as maybe did it happen or not happened. participantOne:(778220-781680): Uh, as far as maybe did it happen or not happened. participantOne:(781680-783920): He he's he's really key to this. participantTwo:(781680-783920): He he's he's really key to this. participantTwo:(784870-789210): We also, I really love that you put any jumps over the bank. participantOne:(784870-789210): We also, I really love that you put any jumps over the bank. participantOne:(789210-791210): Counters and he's very polite, right. participantTwo:(789210-791210): Counters and he's very polite, right. participantOne:(791210-794250): Like, yeah, I think that's alternately. participantTwo:(791210-794250): Like, yeah, I think that's alternately. participantOne:(794250-794610): What. participantTwo:(794250-794610): What. participantTwo:(795480-800160): All right, you know, we have a soft spot for our our bad guys, but he was like nice bad guy. participantOne:(795480-800160): Alright, you know, we have a soft spot for our our bad guys, but he was like nice bad guy. participantOne:(800160-801280): He was really. participantTwo:(800160-801280): He was really. participantTwo:(802200-814520): Stand out guy giving tickets movie tickets to kits you know in line like saying the older guys like I think, there's a story of somebody pulled out the money to give to him and he's like I'm not here for your money. participantOne:(802200-814520): Stand out guy giving tickets movie tickets to kits you know in line like saying the older guys like I think, there's a story of somebody pulled out the money to give to him and he's like I'm not here for your money. participantOne:(814520-815580): I'm here for the bank's money. participantTwo:(814520-815580): I'm here for the bank's money. participantOne:(815900-823120): Yeah, and that was you know, several times burn mortgages then he like taken burn mortgages like that's. participantTwo:(815900-823120): Yeah, and that was you know, several times he burned mortgages then he like taken burn mortgages like that's. participantTwo:(823120-824360): So cool. participantOne:(823120-824360): So cool. participantTwo:(825620-827060): Mortgages farmers. participantOne:(825620-827060): Mortgages farmers. participantOne:(827700-828800): Oh. I wonder why. participantTwo:(827720-828800): Oh. I wonder why. participantOne:(829040-833460): Yeah, yeah, so I think that that I'm glad you put that in there. participantTwo:(829040-833420): Yeah, yeah, so I think that that I'm glad you put that in there. participantTwo:(833580-834320): Stuart. participantOne:(833580-834300): Stuart. participantTwo:(834360-834980): . participantOne:(834360-834980): . participantTwo:(835760-838800): After a vacation in Daytona Beach, Florida. participantOne:(835760-838800): After a vacation in Daytona Beach, Florida. participantTwo:(838800-840460): During Christmas 1933. participantOne:(838800-840460): During Christmas 1933. participantOne:(841500-844240): Deliver when did villager get out 1933. participantTwo:(841500-844220): Deliver when did villager get out 1933. participantTwo:(844460-848300): We gotta he got out of prison in may of 33 and the first bank. participantOne:(844460-848300): We gotta he got out of prison in may of 33 and the first bank. participantOne:(848300-850300): Robbery was in June or so. participantTwo:(848300-850300): Robbery was in June or so. participantOne:(850720-855940): Um, he up there's actually an he gets arrested in September 33 in Dayton. participantTwo:(850720-855940): Um, he up there's actually an he gets arrested in September 33 in Dayton. participantTwo:(855940-870790): Ohio, um, and then a pond of a and Clark and Mackley break him out of jail in new Lima and for those folks in Ohio, I may have that promotion wrong. participantOne:(855940-870790): Ohio, um, and then a peer Ponte of, uh in Clark and Mackley break him out of jail in new Lima and for those folks in Ohio, I may have that promotion wrong. participantOne:(870790-874650): I think it maybe news Lima not sure, but for please. participantTwo:(870790-874650): I think it maybe news Lima not sure, but for please. participantOne:(874650-880930): Forgive me, but just call in our tick and let us know exactly just tell me how stupid. participantTwo:(874650-880930): Forgive me, but just call in our tick and let us know exactly just tell me how stupid. participantOne:(880930-881330): I am not. participantTwo:(880930-881330): I am not. participantOne:(882670-894210): But anyway in the course of this breaking deliver out of this jail in Ohio, a a Sheriff is killed by a coupon for absolutely no reason it was really inexcusable. participantTwo:(882670-891550): But anyway in the course of this breaking deliver out of this jail in Ohio, a a Sheriff is killed by a Ripon for absolutely. participantTwo:(892050-894210): No reason it was really inexcusable. participantTwo:(894210-895690): They didn't have to kill this, man. participantOne:(894210-895690): They didn't have to kill this, man. participantOne:(895770-896990): You mean <unk>. participantTwo:(895790-897010): You mean <unk>. participantTwo:(897430-898370): No, no, this. participantOne:(897430-899370): No, no, this <unk>. participantOne:(899370-901810): This was a Sheriff named Jeff Barber. participantTwo:(899650-901810): This was a Sheriff named Jeff Barber. participantOne:(902630-907810): And again, uh, it was just completely unnecessary to kill him. participantTwo:(902670-907850): And again, uh, it was just completely unnecessary to kill him. participantOne:(908050-916570): But but nonetheless they did or Pierpont did and but anyway, so so Dellinger a is you know, he he's broken out of jail. participantTwo:(908050-916560): But but nonetheless they did or Pierpont did and but anyway, so so deliver a is you know if he's broken out of jail. participantTwo:(916560-928260): This first time in Ohio, the gaming and then just is on a series of just wildly successful bank robberies from there and then this, uh, you get to December 33. participantOne:(916570-928250): This first time in Ohio, the the gaming then just is on a series of just Wiley successful bank robberies from there and then this, uh, you get to December 33. participantOne:(928310-929150): Hey, before you get there. participantTwo:(928320-929140): Hey, before you get there. participantTwo:(929140-930140): Let me just add this. participantOne:(929150-930150): Lemme, just add this. participantTwo:(930180-934280): Yeah, it the day that they break him out of that jail. participantOne:(930190-930890): Yeah, it's. participantOne:(930930-934290): The day that they break him out of that jail. participantTwo:(934320-937140): That's, the same day that machine. participantOne:(934330-941430): That's, the same day that machine gun Kelly is convicted for kidnapping in Oklahoma city <unk>. participantTwo:(937140-941520): Kelly is convicted for kidnapping in Oklahoma city, huh. participantOne:(941430-942450): Okay, that's. participantTwo:(941560-942440): Okay, that's. participantTwo:(942440-943120): The first. participantOne:(942450-943110): The first. participantOne:(943110-944150): Okay, [laughter]. participantTwo:(943120-943480): Okay. participantTwo:(945020-949940): A lot of people say that's, the first major case that the FBI solved. participantOne:(945030-949940): A lot of people say that's, the first major case that the FBI solved. participantOne:(949980-958280): Well, it also actually, uh, you know, there's some controversy to it, but uh, you know, uh, there's. participantTwo:(949980-958280): Well, it also actually, uh, you know, there's some controversy to it, but uh, you know, uh, there's. participantTwo:(958280-960920): Some tails out there that that it was machine. participantOne:(958280-960920): Some tails out there that that it was machine. participantTwo:(960920-961260): Kelly. participantOne:(960920-961260): Kelly. participantOne:(961260-962380): That actually, Colin. participantTwo:(961260-962380): That actually, Colin. participantOne:(962380-968040): The term Gmail don't, shoot G man don't, shoot G man, G man mean. participantTwo:(962380-968040): The term Gmail don't, shoot G man don't, shoot G man, G man mean. participantTwo:(968240-977800): Well, so if you see the the 73 deliver movie with Warren notes that that scene is in there that that, uh, a machine. participantOne:(968240-977800): Well, so if you see the the 73 deliver movie with Warren notes that that scene is in there that that, uh, a machine. participantTwo:(977800-983280): Kelly was arrested in Memphis, Tennessee in September 33, which that's about right Todd at that. participantOne:(977800-983280): Kelly was arrested in Memphis, Tennessee in September 33, which that's about right Todd at that. participantTwo:(983320-992910): That timeframe and, uh in the movie at least you see machine Kelly's in bed with his girlfriend and purpose walks in and breaks into the hotel room. participantOne:(983320-992870): That timeframe and, uh in the movie at least you see machine Kelly's in bed with his girlfriend and purpose walks in and breaks into the hotel room. participantTwo:(992950-995690): Just just sprays the room with machine gone. participantOne:(992950-995690): Just just sprays the room with machine gone. participantOne:(995690-998650): Fire and a machine. participantTwo:(995690-998650): Fire and a machine. participantOne:(998650-1000250): Kelly is on his knees going don't. participantTwo:(998650-1000250): Kelly is on his knees going don't. participantOne:(1000250-1002170): Shoot G man don't shoot G man. participantTwo:(1000250-1002170): Shoot G man don't shoot G man. participantTwo:(1002650-1007430): And then a a service just knock him in the head with the button of the machine. participantOne:(1002650-1007430): And then a a service just knock him in the head with the button of the machine. participantTwo:(1007430-1007710): Gun. participantOne:(1007430-1007710): Gun. participantTwo:(1008310-1011910): He goes, you know, I like that G man, that sounds good government, man. participantOne:(1008310-1011910): He goes, you know, I like that G man, that sounds good government, man. participantTwo:(1011950-1021830): So, uh, again, I think G man was really probably a public relations term dreamed up by probably if not jigger Hoover himself. participantOne:(1011950-1021830): So, uh, again, I think G man was really probably a public relations term dreamed up by probably if not jigger Hoover himself. participantTwo:(1021910-1028080): Somebody close to to whoever in the FBI and through their friends in the media. participantOne:(1021910-1028080): Somebody close to to whoever in the FBI and through their friends in the media. participantTwo:(1028080-1033360): They just made G man kind of a term and again, it's one of those things that just sounds cool. participantOne:(1028080-1033360): They just made G man kind of a term and again, it's one of those things that just sounds cool. participantTwo:(1033640-1043320): Uh, you know, and and so they attributed it to this successful arrest of machine, Kelly, do you think he actually calling that phrase don't them it's? participantOne:(1033640-1041760): Uh, you know, and and so they attributed it to this successful arrest of machine, Kelly, do you think he actually calling that phrase? participantOne:(1042840-1043220): For them. participantOne:(1043220-1043340): It's. participantTwo:(1043320-1044780): Just Hollywood Hollywood again. participantOne:(1043340-1044780): Just Hollywood Hollywood again. participantOne:(1045000-1046220): I think it's a holiday. participantTwo:(1045000-1046220): I think it's a holiday. participantOne:(1046220-1047660): I think it's a holiday thing. participantTwo:(1046220-1047660): I think it's a holiday thing. participantOne:(1047660-1048020): Yeah. participantTwo:(1047660-1048040): Yeah. participantTwo:(1051400-1053020): [laughter]. participantOne:(1051400-1053020): [laughter]. participantOne:(1053700-1057680): Uh, I think we I do think we need to do an episode about. participantTwo:(1053700-1057680): Uh, I think we I do think we need to do an episode about. participantTwo:(1057720-1059900): Uh, what the movies about. participantOne:(1057720-1059900): Uh, what the movies about. participantOne:(1059900-1060520): John villager. participantTwo:(1059900-1060520): John villager. participantTwo:(1060520-1060920): Got right. participantOne:(1060520-1060920): Got right. participantOne:(1060920-1062020): And wrong <unk>. participantTwo:(1060920-1062020): And wrong <unk>. participantOne:(1062020-1062920): That would be great. participantTwo:(1062020-1062920): That would be great. participantTwo:(1063620-1069460): Yeah, I think that's that's something that I would really like, because I think a lot at least the last couple weeks when I bring this up. participantOne:(1063620-1069460): Yeah, I think that's that's something that I would really like, because I think a lot at least the last couple weeks when I bring this up. participantTwo:(1069500-1076660): Yeah, if people there's a couple of rumors or things that people know about John villager, but a lot of that stuff is from the movies like you know what I'm saying. participantOne:(1069500-1076660): Yeah, if people there's a couple of rumors or things that people know about John villager, but a lot of that stuff is from the movies like you know what I'm saying. participantOne:(1076660-1087040): So yeah, um, anyway, so let's, keep going a in Christmas 19901919931933. participantTwo:(1076660-1087040): So yeah, um, anyway, so let's, keep going a in Christmas 19901919931933. participantTwo:(1087080-1095360): Villager and Hamilton returned to Chicago where, uh, they robbed the first National bank of East Chicago during this robbery police officer. participantOne:(1087080-1095360): Villager and Hamilton returned to Chicago where, uh, they robbed the first National bank of East Chicago during this robbery police officer. participantOne:(1095360-1098520): William O'Malley was killed villager was charged with the murder. participantTwo:(1095360-1098520): William O'Malley was killed villager was charged with the murder. participantOne:(1098800-1101320): The game then traveled to Tucson. participantTwo:(1098800-1101320): The game then traveled to Tucson. participantOne:(1101320-1101980): Wait hold on. participantTwo:(1101320-1101980): Wait hold on. participantTwo:(1102020-1104080): So he was charged with William O'Malley murder. participantOne:(1102020-1104080): So he was charged with William O'Malley murder. participantTwo:(1104080-1107680): But but we believe is what we we don't <unk>. participantOne:(1104080-1107680): But but we believe is what we we don't <unk>. participantOne:(1107680-1110820): Yeah, I was gonna say a part of what what. participantTwo:(1107680-1110820): Yeah, I was gonna say a part of what what. participantTwo:(1110880-1115840): Joe would I've written in this outline is is just the official story. participantOne:(1110880-1115840): Joe would I've written in this outline is is just the official story. participantTwo:(1116260-1117980): Um, yeah, so so. participantOne:(1116260-1117980): Um, yeah, so so. participantOne:(1119080-1127120): Really, I think there's very credible evidence that actually deliver himself was not was not in his Chicago. participantTwo:(1119080-1127120): Really, I think there's very credible evidence that actually deliver himself was not was not in his Chicago. participantTwo:(1127160-1131980): When this bank robbery happened because he was seen in Daytona Beach? participantOne:(1127160-1131980): When this bank robbery happened because he was seen in Daytona Beach? participantTwo:(1132460-1134180): Uh, the day before. participantOne:(1132460-1134180): Uh, the day before. participantTwo:(1134400-1140420): And by 193301934 road standards or highway standards. participantOne:(1134400-1140420): And by 1933 or 1934 road standards or highway standards. participantOne:(1140460-1145940): It I I I'm not exactly sure how long a trip from Daytona Beach to Chicago. participantTwo:(1140460-1145940): It I I I'm not exactly sure how long a trip from Daytona Beach to Chicago. participantOne:(1145980-1147140): East Chicago, Indiana. participantTwo:(1145980-1147140): East Chicago, Indiana. participantTwo:(1147140-1150400): Would have been a but it would've been dealer. participantOne:(1147140-1150400): Would have been a but it would've been dealer. participantTwo:(1150400-1151920): Basically would have had to driven. participantOne:(1150400-1151920): Basically would have had to driven. participantTwo:(1151920-1155980): All night get there the next day to carry out this robbery. participantOne:(1151920-1155980): All night get there the next day to carry out this robbery. participantOne:(1156380-1159160): So it's it's it's very questionable. participantTwo:(1156380-1159160): So it's it's it's very questionable. participantOne:(1159160-1162120): That was even at the Chicago bank robber. participantTwo:(1159160-1162120): That was even at the Chicago bank robber. participantOne:(1162120-1164400): Now, John Hamilton was there's. participantTwo:(1162120-1164400): Now, John Hamilton was there's. participantTwo:(1164400-1166320): No, because he's actually wounded there. participantOne:(1164400-1166320): No, because he's actually wounded there. participantOne:(1166740-1170660): Um, Hamilton had not accompanied the game to Beach. participantTwo:(1166740-1170660): Um, Hamilton had not accompanied the game to Beach. participantOne:(1171000-1175940): Um, and so there's a very good chance that, uh, the deliver was was not even there. participantTwo:(1171000-1175940): Um, and so there's a very good chance that, uh, the deliver was was not even there. participantOne:(1176720-1179620): But nonetheless witnesses, placed him there. participantTwo:(1176720-1179620): But nonetheless witnesses, placed him there. participantOne:(1179860-1193600): Uh, O'Malley is killed and you know this becomes part of the villagers story that, uh, you know the villager killed O'Malley and then he's, you know, he's charged for it in in a Lake county, Indiana. participantTwo:(1179880-1193600): Uh, O'Malley is killed and you know this becomes part of the villagers story that, uh, you know the villager killed O'Malley and then he's, you know, he's charged for it in in a Lake county, Indiana. participantTwo:(1194380-1197560): Just for reference, you to I'm showing the map. participantOne:(1194380-1197560): Just for reference, you to I'm showing the map. participantOne:(1197560-1203200): How long it would take for someone today to drive from Daytona Beach to East Chicago, Indiana? participantTwo:(1197560-1203200): How long it would take for someone today to drive from Daytona Beach to East Chicago, Indiana? participantOne:(1203200-1205500): And it's 17 hours and five minutes. participantTwo:(1203200-1205500): And it's 17 hours and five minutes. participantOne:(1206400-1212260): Um, and that's with today's road conditions I'll be able to and 24 hour gas stations. participantTwo:(1206400-1212260): Um, and that's with today's road conditions I'll be able to and 24 hour gas stations. participantOne:(1213400-1213960): Those days. participantTwo:(1213400-1213960): Those days. participantOne:(1214040-1215100): Yeah, true true. participantTwo:(1214040-1215100): Yeah, true true. participantTwo:(1215300-1217620): Um, and the other thing is to. participantOne:(1215300-1217620): Um, and the other thing is to. participantOne:(1217700-1229520): Um, you know, we we talked about previously that the date of the last time he was saw even if it was a day or two off let's just even call it a week like the, you know, it wasn't a week. participantTwo:(1217700-1229520): Um, you know, we we talked about previously that the date of the last time he was saw even if it was a day or two off let's just even call it a week like the, you know, it wasn't a week. participantTwo:(1229960-1231300): Could they've done it in a week. participantOne:(1229960-1231300): Could they've done it in a week. participantOne:(1231300-1234280): That's a that's, a tough task to get up there in a week. participantTwo:(1231300-1234280): That's a that's, a tough task to get up there in a week. participantOne:(1234360-1236500): Yeah, I mean, although they did move around quick. participantTwo:(1234360-1236500): Yeah, I mean, although they did move around quick. participantTwo:(1236500-1237720): We do know the delivering. participantOne:(1236500-1237720): We do know the delivering. participantOne:(1237720-1244230): Did move around quick that was their M oh. they were able to travel the whole country very quickly robbing and moving and robbing and moving. participantTwo:(1237720-1244190): Did move around quick that was their M oh. they were able to travel the whole country very quickly robbing and moving and robbing and moving. participantTwo:(1244230-1249350): Yes, yeah, but again, it you know, they didn't have that much. participantOne:(1244270-1249350): Yes, yeah, but again, it you know, they didn't have that much. participantTwo:(1249350-1250770): Gasoline again. participantOne:(1249350-1250770): Gasoline again. participantTwo:(1250770-1252610): They did they did stage there. participantOne:(1250770-1252610): They did they did stage there. participantTwo:(1252670-1254790): You know, extra gasoline for these bank. participantOne:(1252670-1254790): You know, extra gasoline for these bank. participantOne:(1254790-1257790): Robberies, but it's gonna be damned hard to stage. participantTwo:(1254790-1257790): Robberies, but it's gonna be damned hard to stage. participantOne:(1257830-1263150): You know, gasoline from Florida to the very northern tip of Indiana. participantTwo:(1257830-1263150): You know, gasoline from Florida to the very northern tip of Indiana. participantTwo:(1264300-1265000): So there you go. participantOne:(1264300-1265000): So there you go. participantTwo:(1265000-1279080): So so we try to well, I'm gonna try to share my screen with pertinent information as we go along this podcast because I feel like, um, if you're watching on you to or you're listening in your years or your headphones. participantOne:(1265000-1279080): So so we try to well, I'm gonna try to share my screen with pertinent information as we go along this podcast because I feel like, um, if you're watching on you to or you're listening in your years or your headphones. participantTwo:(1279280-1280360): You know, don't do while. participantOne:(1279280-1280360): You know, don't do while. participantTwo:(1280360-1281320): You're driving, please. participantOne:(1280360-1281320): You're driving, please. participantOne:(1281320-1288020): But you know, you can at least watch on YouTube and see, but um, I feel like it'll be a little bit extra. participantTwo:(1281320-1288020): But you know, you can at least watch on YouTube and see, but um, I feel like it'll be a little bit extra. participantOne:(1288080-1290680): I I would love to see what the weather was. participantTwo:(1288080-1290680): I I would love to see what the weather was. participantTwo:(1290740-1292180): If someone could we could look up. participantOne:(1290740-1293440): If someone could we could look up the weather was. participantOne:(1293480-1295540): Yeah, this is well, it's January 19. participantTwo:(1293640-1295540): This is well, it's January 19. participantTwo:(1295580-1297640): You know, it's January Christmas it's, Christmas. participantOne:(1295580-1297640): You know, it's January Christmas it's, Christmas. participantTwo:(1298620-1306570): And so you know, obviously in Florida, the weather's probably good, but the further North you went a you could have slow sleet. participantOne:(1298620-1306570): And so you know, obviously in Florida, the weather's probably good, but the further North you went a you could have slow sleet. participantTwo:(1306610-1308670): Uh, all kinds of road. participantOne:(1306610-1308670): Uh, all kinds of road. participantTwo:(1308670-1309150): Hazards. participantOne:(1308670-1309150): Hazards. participantOne:(1309150-1310670): That would slow down. participantTwo:(1309150-1310670): That would slow down. participantTwo:(1310670-1313510): And and again, you know a lot of roads. participantOne:(1310670-1313510): And and again, you know a lot of roads. participantTwo:(1314210-1316130): Yeah, because you don't have interstate highways. participantOne:(1314210-1316130): Yeah, because you don't have interstate highways. participantTwo:(1316170-1317130): Well, that's, what I'm saying. participantOne:(1316170-1317130): Well, that's, what I'm saying. participantTwo:(1317170-1323340): So then the reason and and if you didn't realize I guess tied this one's for you the reason we we care. participantOne:(1317170-1323340): So then the reason and and if you didn't realize I guess tied this one's for you the reason we we care. participantTwo:(1323340-1332200): So much on where he was is because one of the main things people always argue about John is that he was a he was a murder right. participantOne:(1323340-1332200): So much on where he was is because one of the main things people always argue about John is that he was a he was a murder right. participantOne:(1332200-1337140): He was a killer, but what we are saying is that this was the only time. participantTwo:(1332200-1337140): He was a killer, but what we are saying is that this was the only time. participantOne:(1337140-1339020): He's ever been really associated with it. participantTwo:(1337140-1339020): He's ever been really associated with it. participantTwo:(1339020-1344570): And it was a charge that typically lead to his, you know, basically being public. participantOne:(1339020-1344570): And it was a charge that typically lead to his, you know, basically being public. participantTwo:(1344570-1348770): Any number one was that he that he was charged with this murder. participantOne:(1344570-1348770): Any number one was that he that he was charged with this murder. participantTwo:(1348770-1353390): And then like essentially had had evidence to be make him an, um, public. participantOne:(1348770-1353390): And then like essentially had had evidence to be make him an, um, public. participantTwo:(1353390-1354190): Any number 1. participantOne:(1353390-1354190): Any number 1. participantOne:(1354230-1360670): But we care because if that's the case, it's another reason, the F B I didn't do what they were supposed to do at the time. participantTwo:(1354230-1360670): But we care because if that's the case, it's another reason, the F B I didn't do what they were supposed to do at the time. participantTwo:(1360970-1362470): And made him something. participantOne:(1360970-1362470): And made him something. participantTwo:(1362470-1366550): He wasn't which was he was murder, which we wanna we want the truth. participantOne:(1362470-1366550): He wasn't which was he was murder, which we wanna we want the truth. participantTwo:(1368280-1368640): Records. participantOne:(1368280-1368640): Records. participantOne:(1368640-1369580): Straight let's let's. participantTwo:(1368640-1369580): Straight let's let's. participantTwo:(1369580-1371100): Just what what really happened. participantOne:(1369580-1371100): Just what what really happened. participantTwo:(1371100-1371280): That's. participantOne:(1371100-1371280): That's. participantOne:(1371280-1372280): What we wanted <unk>? participantTwo:(1371280-1372280): What we wanted <unk>? participantTwo:(1372280-1374360): So when people say, well, he was a killer. participantOne:(1372280-1374360): So when people say, well, he was a killer. participantTwo:(1374400-1377140): You know, and all those Facebook groups and stuff. participantOne:(1374400-1377140): You know, and all those Facebook groups and stuff. participantTwo:(1377180-1381360): We I could see Travis and Mike getting also mad they're like no, he wasn't. participantOne:(1377180-1381360): We I could see Travis and Mike getting also mad they're like no, he wasn't. participantTwo:(1383460-1383880): Something. participantOne:(1383460-1383880): Something. participantTwo:(1383880-1385720): Funny just this week. participantOne:(1383880-1385720): Funny just this week. participantTwo:(1385760-1388660): I scoops of my duties. participantOne:(1385760-1388660): I scoops of my duties. participantOne:(1389180-1392360): I bring it into an altar Malley descend. participantTwo:(1389460-1392380): Bring into an altar Malley dependent. participantOne:(1393410-1394570): Get the hell out of here. participantTwo:(1393410-1394570): Get the hell out of here. participantOne:(1394610-1395210): Travis. participantTwo:(1394610-1395210): Travis. participantTwo:(1395210-1395990): You make shit up. participantOne:(1395210-1395990): You make shit up. participantOne:(1395990-1396470): All the time. participantTwo:(1395990-1396470): All the time. participantTwo:(1397030-1402950): I'm being serious as me being on the law enforcement side and them not being on the law enforcement side. participantOne:(1397030-1402950): I'm being serious as me being on the law enforcement side and them not being on the law enforcement side. participantTwo:(1402950-1407850): It was really interesting because I asked him and said, O'Malley that's a interesting name. participantOne:(1402950-1407990): It was really interesting because I asked him and said, O'Malley that's a interesting name, <unk>. participantTwo:(1407850-1413650): I said you wouldn't be related to the altar killed me, Chicago during the donor days and you said. participantOne:(1407990-1413650): You wouldn't be related to the altar killed me, Chicago during the donor days and you said. participantTwo:(1413650-1414770): Yes, he's a great. participantOne:(1413650-1414770): Yes, he's a great. participantOne:(1414770-1418430): Great nephew of O'Malley <unk>. participantTwo:(1414770-1418430): Great nephew of O'Malley <unk>. participantTwo:(1418430-1423670): So you're telling me, you met another great great nephew because you're great nephew. participantOne:(1418430-1423670): So you're telling me, you met another great great nephew because you're great nephew. participantTwo:(1423750-1425850): Yeah, oh. that's crazy. participantOne:(1423750-1425850): Yeah, oh. that's crazy. participantOne:(1427280-1433500): So now the deliver a relative is in law enforcement Valley relative is shot. participantTwo:(1427280-1433500): So now the deliver a relative is in law enforcement Valley relative is shot. participantOne:(1433580-1436100): Yeah, [laughter]. participantTwo:(1433580-1436100): Yeah, [laughter]. participantTwo:(1436720-1438680): Um, deliver was charged with murder. participantOne:(1436720-1438680): Um, deliver was charged with murder. participantOne:(1438680-1442920): Okay, so we keep going the game then traveled to Tucson, Arizona for another vacation. participantTwo:(1438680-1442920): Okay, so we keep going the game then traveled to Tucson, Arizona for another vacation. participantOne:(1443640-1445800): They send the vacation a lot in 14. participantTwo:(1443640-1445800): They send the vacation a lot in 14. participantOne:(1446320-1449240): What the if you're gonna be a gangster that's? participantTwo:(1446320-1449240): What the if you're gonna be a gangster that's? participantTwo:(1449240-1451840): What it's all about I mean, this is not a nine to five job? participantOne:(1449240-1451800): What it's all about I mean, this is not a nine to five job? participantOne:(1451840-1453860): I mean, I'm I'm a gangster. participantTwo:(1452620-1458100): A Max or so I could take a you know, really cool vacations shoots. participantOne:(1453860-1456760): So I could take a you know, really cool vacations. participantOne:(1457520-1458080): Boots. participantTwo:(1458320-1462540): Yeah, and a little rate they were, um, they were arrested. participantOne:(1458320-1459480): Yeah, and a little. participantOne:(1460750-1462530): They were um, they were arrested. participantOne:(1462530-1464930): And deliver was returned to Crown. Indiana. participantTwo:(1462540-1463180): And delivered. participantTwo:(1463180-1464920): Was returned to Crown. Indiana. participantTwo:(1464920-1468340): And to stand trial for the murder of A O'Malley. participantOne:(1464930-1468470): And to stand trial for the murder of O'Malley. participantOne:(1468810-1470570): Um, I love this part too. participantTwo:(1468820-1473460): Um, I love this part too because one Tucson Arizona has villager days. participantOne:(1470570-1473470): Because one Tucson Arizona has deliver days. participantTwo:(1473780-1477020): Um, celebrating, this I think it was recently. participantOne:(1473810-1477030): Um, celebrating, this I think it was recently. participantTwo:(1477020-1479420): I think it's in the spring or late winter. participantOne:(1477030-1479410): I think it's in the spring or late winter. participantTwo:(1479660-1483940): Um, right, when he was arrested in Tucson, they do like a whole deliver days thing. participantOne:(1479670-1483950): Um, right, when he was arrested in Tucson, they do like a whole deliver days thing. participantTwo:(1483940-1489090): So to this day, he's still kind of figure out there, but then also there's. participantOne:(1483950-1489090): So to this day, he's still kinda figure out there, but then also there's. participantTwo:(1489090-1492870): So many States that wanted his caller right. participantOne:(1489090-1492870): So many States that wanted his caller right. participantTwo:(1492870-1494130): They wanted him right. participantOne:(1492870-1494130): They wanted him right. participantOne:(1494130-1500990): They wanted to rest him and Indiana jump through hoops to push through the warrant or is it am. participantTwo:(1494130-1500990): They wanted to rest him and Indiana jump through hoops to push through the warrant or is it am. participantTwo:(1500990-1502730): I right saying that guys. participantOne:(1500990-1502730): I right saying that guys. participantOne:(1502730-1503030): Well, <unk>. participantTwo:(1502730-1503030): Well, <unk>. participantTwo:(1503030-1505330): I mean, obviously murder. participantOne:(1503030-1505330): I mean, obviously murder. participantTwo:(1505630-1508930): Uh, you know, kind of is a truck bank robbery. participantOne:(1505630-1508930): Uh, you know, kind of is a truck bank robbery. participantTwo:(1508970-1509970): Yes, okay, that's <unk>. participantOne:(1508970-1509970): Yes, okay, that's <unk>. participantTwo:(1509970-1512570): You know, so the the murder. participantOne:(1509970-1512570): You know, so the the murder. participantTwo:(1512570-1514450): Warrant was in Lake county, Indiana. participantOne:(1512570-1514450): Warrant was in Lake county, Indiana. participantOne:(1514590-1516290): But you know a. participantTwo:(1514590-1516290): But you know a. participantOne:(1517400-1518860): It's it's really one thing. participantTwo:(1517430-1518870): It's it's really one thing. participantTwo:(1518990-1524050): I'll, just say this to the listeners that, uh, you know when we we, we can't really go into it now. participantOne:(1519000-1524040): I'll, just say this to the listeners that, uh, you know when we we, we can't really go into it now. participantOne:(1524040-1534180): It's it's, a lot of detail, but uh, go back and look at that rest of the deliver gang and and Tucson not a shot was fired. participantTwo:(1524050-1534130): It's it's, a lot of detail, but uh, go back and look at that rest of the deliver gang and and Tucson not a shot was fired. participantTwo:(1534450-1536310): They got the entire game. participantOne:(1534460-1536300): They got the entire gaming. participantTwo:(1536920-1544680): Uh, with with I think there was a little bit of a scuffle with involving Pierpont in his arrest, but it was amazing. participantOne:(1536920-1544680): Uh, with with I think there was a little bit of a scuffle with involving Pierpont in his arrest, but it was amazing. participantTwo:(1544680-1546960): How they took the entire delivery gang down? participantOne:(1544680-1547020): How they took the entire delivery gang down? participantTwo:(1547420-1563070): It just it caught him just just read handed and you know in the the the FBI and again, I you know, I was an LPN I'm proud of served a, but but I gotta say the Tucson police department. participantOne:(1547460-1563070): It just it caught him just just read handed and you know in the the the FBI and again, I you know, I was an LPN I'm proud of served a, but but I gotta say the Tucson police department. participantOne:(1563330-1566890): Did one hell of a job, bringing the delivering down who. participantTwo:(1563330-1566890): Did one hell of a job, bringing the delivering down who. participantTwo:(1567650-1568690): The FBI had him. participantOne:(1567650-1568690): The FBI had him. participantOne:(1568690-1570590): Cornered three times and they got away. participantTwo:(1568690-1570590): Cornered three times and they got away. participantTwo:(1570590-1570830): So. participantOne:(1570590-1570830): So. participantOne:(1572130-1573990): Actually the fire department. participantTwo:(1572130-1573990): Actually the fire department. participantOne:(1574170-1574890): Recognized. participantTwo:(1574170-1574890): Recognized. participantTwo:(1576650-1577710): The fire department. participantOne:(1576650-1577710): The fire department. participantTwo:(1577710-1578690): Actually brought them down. participantOne:(1577710-1578690): Actually brought them down. participantTwo:(1578950-1581560): Yeah, and we keep and and. participantOne:(1580060-1581520): And we keep and and. participantOne:(1582320-1583520): Hopefully we keep that. participantTwo:(1582320-1583520): Hopefully we keep that. participantTwo:(1583520-1586340): Uh, the tradition going maybe we can go out to Tucson one year. participantOne:(1583520-1586340): Uh, the tradition going maybe we can go out to Tucson one year. participantTwo:(1586380-1587500): Maybe we can be a part of that. participantOne:(1586380-1587500): Maybe we can be a part of that. participantTwo:(1587500-1588120): This year. participantOne:(1587500-1588120): This year. participantTwo:(1588340-1589660): Yeah, <unk>. participantOne:(1588340-1589660): Yeah, <unk>. participantOne:(1589720-1592260): Yeah hell there might be freaking Berry. participantTwo:(1589720-1592260): Yeah hell there might be freaking Berry. participantTwo:(1592260-1594040): Treasure once we pull out this map. participantOne:(1592260-1594040): Treasure once we pull out this map. participantOne:(1594080-1602080): Well, actually, you know, Joe you're, not far off the bark is during the course of some of the the Hollywood stuff that we were involved in. participantTwo:(1594080-1602080): Well, actually, you know, Joe you're, not far off the bark is during the course of some of the the Hollywood stuff that we were involved in. participantTwo:(1602610-1607330): Uh, there there was a letter that surfaced that was I think Travis, correct. participantOne:(1602610-1607330): Uh, there there was a letter that surfaced that was I think Travis, correct. participantOne:(1607330-1611590): If I'm wrong, but it was hidden in the wall a at that at the hotel, a. participantTwo:(1607330-1611590): If I'm wrong, but it was hidden in the wall a at that at the hotel, a. participantTwo:(1612510-1615550): Yeah, it was what was the Congress hotel. participantOne:(1612510-1615550): Yeah, it was what was the Congress hotel. participantOne:(1616430-1621990): Hotel they're doing renovations and found a letter from 193334. participantTwo:(1616430-1621990): Hotel they're doing renovations and they found a letter from 193334. participantOne:(1622810-1629920): In the wall and was sent to Indianapolis the writing on it was just dead on for delivers writing. participantTwo:(1622810-1629900): In the wall and was sent to Indianapolis the writing on it was just dead on for delivers writing. participantTwo:(1630120-1630660): Now. participantOne:(1630120-1630660): Now. participantOne:(1630740-1644060): Uh, I don't think, villager actually, I don't think villager actually stayed in the Congress hotel, but uh, the the writing on it was dead on so what's, the letter saying where is the letter now we don't have all the letter. participantTwo:(1630740-1644060): Uh, I don't think, villager actually, I don't think villager actually stayed in the Congress hotel, but uh, the the writing on it was dead on so what's, the letter saying where is the letter now we don't have all the letter. participantOne:(1644780-1647660): The letter I just saw a peak bits and pieces of it. participantTwo:(1644780-1647660): The letter I just saw a peak bits and pieces of it. participantTwo:(1648320-1651460): Uh, but I think as far as I know the the hotel. participantOne:(1648320-1651460): Uh, but I think as far as I know the the hotel. participantOne:(1651500-1655840): I guess still has it, but there's an interesting fact about when John was caught out there. participantTwo:(1651500-1655840): I guess still has it, but there's an interesting fact about when John was caught out there. participantTwo:(1655840-1658360): He was also the FBI report. participantOne:(1655840-1658360): He was also the FBI report. participantTwo:(1658780-1660740): He ate a piece of letter. participantOne:(1658780-1660740): He ate a piece of letter. participantTwo:(1662000-1662240): It. participantOne:(1662000-1662240): It. participantOne:(1663620-1674280): Yep, and there were actually they're actually newspaper reports at the time to that talked about the the dealer game had buried money out out in Tucson. participantTwo:(1663620-1674280): Yep, and there were actually they're actually newspaper reports at the time to that talked about the the dealer game had buried money out out in Tucson. participantOne:(1674320-1676220): Uh, not specific. participantTwo:(1674320-1676220): Uh, not specific. participantTwo:(1676260-1685540): Unfortunately, the the reports are specific, but so again, this talk of buried boot has been with the dealer game from the start. participantOne:(1676260-1685560): Unfortunately, the the reports are specific, but so again, this talk of buried boot has been with the dealer game from the start. participantTwo:(1686340-1687220): Todd Stewart. participantOne:(1686340-1687220): Todd Stewart. participantOne:(1687220-1688760): I have a question for you guys real quick. participantTwo:(1687220-1688760): I have a question for you guys real quick. participantOne:(1688800-1695520): So you guys are obviously retired from your former life, but are you guys private investigators? participantTwo:(1688800-1695520): So you guys are obviously retired from your former life, but are you guys private investigators? participantTwo:(1695520-1701600): Now could you be considered that now, like some of the work that you do outside of the podcasting and your regular. participantOne:(1695520-1701600): Now could you be considered that now, like some of the work that you do outside of the podcasting and your regular. participantOne:(1701600-1702980): I mean, what's, you know what I'm saying. participantTwo:(1701600-1702980): I mean, what's, you know what I'm saying. participantTwo:(1704720-1707420): Were both licensed investigators that's. participantOne:(1704720-1707400): Were both licensed investigators that's. participantOne:(1707400-1708100): What I want to know? participantTwo:(1707420-1708100): Why I wanted to know? participantTwo:(1708140-1715840): Okay, because I didn't know that and I know I'm in my head as of you're I'd be asking that to like, because we're gonna be looking into this stuff like where's the Berry. participantOne:(1708140-1715840): Okay, because I didn't know that and I know I'm in my head as of you're I'd be asking that to like, because we're gonna be looking into this stuff like where's the Berry. participantTwo:(1715840-1721880): Treasure and stuff and like as license private investigators, we wanna give legitimacy to our podcast into this developing. participantOne:(1715840-1721880): Treasure and stuff and like as license private investigators, we wanna give legitimacy to our podcast into this developing. participantOne:(1721880-1737120): Podcast that we're doing because you guys are legitimate, like we're gonna use tactics that that we could go to court and essentially be able to prove our case is it when I'm just not Thompson going around [laughter]. participantTwo:(1721880-1737160): Podcast that we're doing because you guys are legitimate, like we're gonna use tactics that that we could go to court and essentially be able to prove our case is it when I'm just not Thompson going around [laughter]. participantTwo:(1737360-1745180): You know, Joe I'll I'll, speak for card for a second and it maybe something that he's he's never actually thought of but as you go through. participantOne:(1737360-1745180): You know, Joe I'll I'll, speak for card for a second and it maybe something that he's he's never actually thought of but as you go through. participantOne:(1747160-1750900): As you gain experience as an investigator and and try it's the same thing with you. participantTwo:(1747160-1750900): As you gain experience as an investigator and and try it's the same thing with you. participantTwo:(1750900-1755860): No doubt, um, you know when you work a case and you gather evidence. participantOne:(1750900-1755860): No doubt, um, you know when you work a case and you gather evidence. participantTwo:(1756380-1762820): What you learn overtime is is that typically what you're gathering is gonna be used in court? participantOne:(1756380-1762820): What you learn overtime is is that typically what you're gathering is gonna be used in court? participantOne:(1762900-1766240): Okay, you may have to go to trial you may have to testify to this. participantTwo:(1762900-1766160): Okay, you may have to go to trial you may have to testify to this. participantTwo:(1766200-1778860): So as I worked any case I always had in the back of my mind is this gonna be convincing at trial is this something that is relevant to my case. participantOne:(1766280-1778860): So as I worked any case I always had in the back of my mind is this gonna be convincing at trial is this something that is relevant to my case. participantOne:(1778920-1779820): It you know. participantTwo:(1778920-1779820): It you know. participantTwo:(1779860-1782080): Um, is the chain of custody? participantOne:(1779860-1782080): Um, is the chain of custody? participantTwo:(1782080-1785900): Tacked that that will allow this to be a entered in court. participantOne:(1782080-1785900): Tacked that that will allow this to be a entered in court. participantOne:(1785960-1787040): Yeah, <unk>. participantTwo:(1785960-1787040): Yeah, <unk>. participantTwo:(1787080-1788320): Yeah, admissible. participantOne:(1787080-1788320): Yeah, admissible. participantOne:(1788380-1794520): So you just you learn as you go along that that that's, how you look at any piece of evidence. participantTwo:(1788380-1794520): So you just you learn as you go along that that that's, how you look at any piece of evidence. participantTwo:(1794520-1800920): Anything as you go along and yeah, that's exactly how I've looked at this case from the very beginning. participantOne:(1794520-1800920): Anything as you go along and yeah, that's exactly how I've looked at this case from the very beginning. participantTwo:(1801140-1807840): You know, a with for instance, the map that we reference an episode one that we found on the deliver farm. participantOne:(1801140-1807840): You know, a with for instance, the map that we reference an episode one that we found on the deliver farm. participantTwo:(1808040-1812740): That there has been a chain of custody, maintained with that map from the very day. participantOne:(1808040-1812740): That there has been a chain of custody, maintained with that map from the very day. participantTwo:(1812740-1813500): We found it. participantOne:(1812740-1813500): We found it. participantTwo:(1813740-1815560): That exists to this day. participantOne:(1813760-1815540): That exists to this day. participantTwo:(1815700-1819720): It's gonna so so, it's documented where it's been who's handled. participantOne:(1815700-1819720): It's gonna so so, it's documented where it's been who's handled. participantTwo:(1819720-1822320): It and what testing has been done on it. participantOne:(1819720-1822320): It and what testing has been done on it. participantTwo:(1822380-1824160): So, uh, yeah, we're. participantOne:(1822380-1824160): So, uh, yeah, we're. participantTwo:(1824160-1827860): This is not something we're doing just as some haphazard. participantOne:(1824160-1827860): This is not something we're doing just as some haphazard. participantTwo:(1827920-1829400): You know what. participantOne:(1827960-1829400): You know what. participantOne:(1829400-1831380): Hey, what is what is this kind of stuff. participantTwo:(1829400-1831380): Hey, what is what is this kind of stuff. participantOne:(1831460-1832640): You know what are we doing here. participantTwo:(1831460-1832640): You know what are we doing here. participantTwo:(1832640-1837380): The the now we we we approach this as a real investigation as professionals. participantOne:(1832640-1837380): The the now we we we approach this as a real investigation as professionals. participantTwo:(1837560-1841520): Uh, looking at this as if we have to prove this in court now. participantOne:(1837560-1841520): Uh, looking at this as if we have to prove this in court now. participantOne:(1841520-1848000): No one's going to jail behind anything that we're gonna do, but uh, as far as the history goes. participantTwo:(1841520-1848000): No one's going to jail behind anything that we're gonna do, but uh, as far as the history goes. participantOne:(1849060-1857200): It is historically we don't have to prove this beyond a reasonable doubt as we would in criminal court, but uh, I and I bet you taught is the same way. participantTwo:(1849060-1857200): It is historically we don't have to prove this beyond a reasonable doubt as we would in criminal court, but uh, I and I bet you taught is the same way. participantTwo:(1857200-1857720): And Travis <unk>. participantOne:(1857200-1857720): And Travis <unk>. participantTwo:(1857720-1858380): The same way. participantOne:(1857720-1858380): The same way. participantTwo:(1858440-1859560): Anything I approach. participantOne:(1858440-1859560): Anything I approach. participantOne:(1859560-1864520): I think about is this beyond reasonable doubt you know, will this will this work in court? participantTwo:(1859560-1864520): I think about is this beyond reasonable doubt you know, will this will this work in court? participantTwo:(1864520-1866680): So it's, the same process. participantOne:(1864520-1866680): So it's, the same process. participantOne:(1866680-1867400): We're, applying here. participantTwo:(1866680-1867400): We're, applying here. participantOne:(1868500-1868780): <unk>. participantTwo:(1868500-1868780): <unk>. participantOne:(1868780-1873940): You would have to because you know if we approve history has changed. participantTwo:(1868780-1873940): You would have to because you know if we approve history has changed. participantTwo:(1874000-1887800): We have rewritten history, there's gonna be a lot of day Sayers, but if we show it that we've done, it professionally like an investigation then I think the public will see it differently than like us on a reality TV show or something. participantOne:(1874000-1887800): We have rewritten history, there's gonna be a lot of day Sayers, but if we show it that we've done, it professionally like an investigation then I think the public will see it differently than like us on a reality TV show or something. participantTwo:(1888650-1893270): That's doing this with passion and professionalism we'll show. participantOne:(1888860-1893320): Doing this with passion and professionalism we'll show. participantOne:(1893400-1897460): I guess you know, the proof and putting yep, exactly. participantTwo:(1893410-1897450): I guess you know, the proof and putting yep, exactly. participantTwo:(1898010-1902170): And and hence why we need to do this on ourselves. participantOne:(1898020-1902140): And and hence why we need to do this on ourselves. participantOne:(1902180-1913050): Are on our own and not with Hollywood backing for any reason we could probably show parts you know, 2% of the whole thing on a big. participantTwo:(1902210-1913050): Are on our own and not with Hollywood backing for any reason we could probably show parts you know, 2% of the whole thing on a big. participantOne:(1913090-1913370): You know. participantTwo:(1913090-1913370): You know. participantTwo:(1913370-1915010): Yeah, it would get publicity in Hollywood. participantOne:(1913370-1915010): Yeah, it would get publicity in Hollywood. participantTwo:(1915010-1923330): But nobody's gonna do an investigation like us, especially with your qualifications look, you know, I'm on the lonely former TV reporter host. participantOne:(1915010-1923390): But nobody's gonna do an investigation like us, especially with your qualifications look, you know, I'm on the lonely former TV reporter host. participantOne:(1923470-1924910): My investigation to guys. participantTwo:(1923470-1924910): My investigation to guys. participantOne:(1924910-1926370): I mean to be very clear. participantTwo:(1924910-1926370): I mean to be very clear. participantTwo:(1926410-1928130): I was a fluffed reporter. participantOne:(1926410-1928110): I was a fluffed reporter. participantTwo:(1928170-1928910): I was more. participantOne:(1928170-1928910): I was more. participantOne:(1929090-1930030): I was a morning. participantTwo:(1929090-1930030): I was a morning. participantOne:(1930030-1931130): Cheryl reporter. participantTwo:(1930030-1931130): Cheryl reporter. participantOne:(1931230-1937370): I you said you were bluffer [laughter]. participantTwo:(1931230-1937370): I you said you were bluffer [laughter]. participantTwo:(1937370-1942370): They I the stuff that I did was very light in the morning. participantOne:(1937370-1942370): They I the stuff that I did was very light in the morning. participantOne:(1942410-1944990): Energy jumping up on trampoline parks. participantTwo:(1942410-1944990): Energy jumping up on trampoline parks. participantOne:(1944990-1945890): When they open in town? participantTwo:(1944990-1945890): When they open in town? participantOne:(1945930-1947870): I didn't have my occasional. participantTwo:(1945930-1947850): I didn't have my occasional. participantTwo:(1947890-1956230): You know, East East Indianapolis, shooting or fire or there's a bunch of true or a live crime stuff. participantOne:(1947910-1956230): You know, East East Indianapolis, shooting or fire or there's a bunch of true or a live crime stuff. participantOne:(1956230-1956890): That I did. participantTwo:(1956230-1956890): That I did. participantOne:(1957360-1958880): Um, you know, bleed it leads. participantTwo:(1957360-1958880): Um, you know, bleed it leads. participantOne:(1958880-1972580): Kind of news daily new stuff that I did in the morning, but most of my stuff was so having you guys, I mean, I I didn't mind on own investigations on some, but it was never hard until I started in for Miss Cindy and then I really do into like true crime history, but I'm a history book. participantTwo:(1958880-1972580): Kind of news daily new stuff that I did in the morning, but most of my stuff was so having you guys, I mean, I I didn't mind on own investigations on some, but it was never hard until I started in for Miss Cindy and then I really do into like true crime history, but I'm a history book. participantTwo:(1972580-1976490): So to have you guys here and legitimize. participantOne:(1972580-1976490): So to have you guys here and legitimize. participantTwo:(1976490-1980090): What we're doing is only gonna make this more fun? participantOne:(1976490-1980090): What we're doing is only gonna make this more fun? participantOne:(1980090-1986930): And plus you all have to teach me to to make sure I don't you know, screw up the chain of command in a lot of ways. participantTwo:(1980090-1986790): And plus you all have to teach me to to make sure I don't you know, screw up the chain of command in a lot of ways. participantTwo:(1987070-1992550): Yeah, that's <unk>. participantOne:(1987070-1992550): Yeah, that's <unk>. participantOne:(1993140-1997460): I also have the family aspect where I can be painted in seeking a different direction. participantTwo:(1993140-1997460): I also have the family aspect where I can be painted in seeking a different direction. participantTwo:(1997720-1999240): But I have two outsiders. participantOne:(1997720-1999240): But I have two outsiders. participantOne:(1999280-2001400): You are kind of very <unk>. participantTwo:(1999280-2001400): You are kind of very <unk>. participantOne:(2001500-2007500): Yeah, my guy is, um, could you know I guess shift my thinking? participantTwo:(2001500-2007500): Yeah, my guy is, um, could you know I guess shift my thinking? participantOne:(2007500-2011420): So I I'm really happy to be a steward. onboard with this investigation. participantTwo:(2007500-2011420): So I I'm really happy to be a steward. onboard with this investigation. participantTwo:(2012810-2014270): Um, thanks guys. participantOne:(2012830-2014270): Um, thanks guys. participantOne:(2014270-2015250): That was good side bar. participantTwo:(2014270-2015250): That was good side bar. participantOne:(2015290-2019050): I I know we're in Tucson, Arizona, right now after you got arrested. participantTwo:(2015290-2019050): I I know we're in Tucson, Arizona, right now after you got arrested. participantOne:(2019050-2028710): And brought back to Crown Crown Crown., but um, I I think that was a really good side bar because I'm glad we did that because honestly, it just is so cool. participantTwo:(2019050-2028710): And brought back to Crown Crown Crown., but um, I I think that was a really good side bar because I'm glad we did that because honestly, it just is so cool. participantOne:(2028750-2029390): That were that. participantTwo:(2028750-2029390): That were that. participantOne:(2029390-2030990): You guys are here and we're gonna do this. participantTwo:(2029390-2030990): You guys are here and we're gonna do this. participantOne:(2031030-2032290): So legitimately. participantTwo:(2031030-2032290): So legitimately. participantOne:(2032350-2036110): Yeah, just just just just to clarify for those listeners. participantTwo:(2032370-2036110): Yeah, just just just just to clarify for those listeners. participantOne:(2036210-2038350): Maybe not familiar with Indiana. participantTwo:(2036210-2038350): Maybe not familiar with Indiana. participantTwo:(2038810-2044410): When we talk about Crown. and Lake and Lake county and East Chicago? participantOne:(2038810-2044410): When we talk about Crown. and Lake and Lake county and East Chicago? participantOne:(2045250-2045990): O'Malley. participantTwo:(2045250-2045990): O'Malley. participantTwo:(2046030-2053030): The first National bank of first of East Chicago was in Chicago, obviously East Chicago is in Lake county. participantOne:(2046030-2053030): The first National bank of first of East Chicago was in Chicago, obviously East Chicago is in Lake county. participantOne:(2053250-2056010): The county seat of Lake county is Crown. participantTwo:(2053250-2056010): The county seat of Lake county is Crown. participantOne:(2056500-2061480): So any trials a that kind of thing was held in Crown. participantTwo:(2056500-2061480): So any trials a that kind of thing was held in Crown. participantOne:(2061480-2063680): So that's that's, the connection that's that's. participantTwo:(2061480-2063680): So that's that's, the connection that's that's. participantTwo:(2063680-2065080): Why delivers in Crown.? participantOne:(2063680-2065080): Why delivers in Crown.? participantTwo:(2065120-2069560): Yep, Crown. jail in March 1933. participantOne:(2065120-2069560): Yep, Crown. jail in March 1933. participantTwo:(2070920-2072280): Is that right 1933? participantOne:(2070920-2072280): Is that right 1933? participantTwo:(2072280-2072920): March. participantOne:(2072280-2072920): March. participantTwo:(2074480-2076700): 343433. participantOne:(2074480-2076700): 343433. participantTwo:(2076740-2077400): That was wrong. participantOne:(2076740-2077400): That was wrong. participantOne:(2077440-2080160): Yeah, form go ahead. participantTwo:(2077440-2080160): Yeah, form go ahead. participantOne:(2080260-2080960): Just ask here. participantTwo:(2080260-2080960): Just ask here. participantTwo:(2081000-2083180): So Indiana was able to get him. participantOne:(2081000-2083160): So Indiana was able to get him. participantOne:(2083160-2085360): Extradited from Arizona up. participantTwo:(2083180-2085360): Extradited from Arizona up. participantOne:(2085890-2094650): Yes, and to also to just let me interject real quick of the the law enforcement officer that brings villager back from Arizona. participantTwo:(2085900-2094640): Yes, okay, and to also to just let me interject real quick of the the law enforcement officer that brings villager back from Arizona. participantTwo:(2094640-2102360): Is a guy named Matt Leach, Matt Leach was with the Indiana state police and he will also be a prominent figure. participantOne:(2094650-2102370): Is a guy named Matt Leach, Matt Leach was with the Indiana state police and he will also be a prominent figure. participantTwo:(2102780-2108840): Uh in this tail after delivers killed Leach was involved in the investigation. participantOne:(2102790-2108850): Uh in this tail after delivers killed Leach was involved in the investigation. participantTwo:(2108840-2110020): Villager from the start. participantOne:(2108850-2110030): Villager from the start. participantTwo:(2110020-2112500): He was dog in his pursue villager. participantOne:(2110030-2112510): He was dog in his pursue villager. participantOne:(2112690-2114790): Uh, he was a little bit out shown. participantTwo:(2112740-2114800): Uh, he was a little bit out shown. participantOne:(2114830-2130590): I guess a publicity wise by the FBI, but a Leech will have a very important part to play as far as, um, uh, some conspiracy or corruption allegations that surfaced after Dillinger died. participantTwo:(2114840-2130600): I guess a publicity wise by the FBI, but a Leech will have a very important part to play as far as, um, uh, some conspiracy or corruption allegations that surfaced after deliver died. participantTwo:(2132000-2132840): Definitely. participantOne:(2132000-2132840): Definitely. participantTwo:(2133120-2141060): Yeah, well and I'm trying to pull up a picture of because I've, never seen a picture of him and I really wanna see if if it's, John. participantOne:(2133120-2141060): Yeah, well and I'm trying to pull up a picture of because I've, never seen a picture of him and I really wanna see if if it's, John. participantTwo:(2141840-2145720): John really like having fun with that guy is that him. participantOne:(2141840-2145720): John really like having fun with that guy is that him. participantOne:(2146240-2146720): That's him. participantTwo:(2146240-2146720): That's him. participantOne:(2146760-2147740): Yeah, that's him. participantTwo:(2146760-2147740): Yeah, that's him. participantOne:(2149810-2151490): And so, so yeah, there you go. participantTwo:(2149810-2151490): And so, so yeah, there you go. participantTwo:(2151490-2155610): I'm at Leach just for the conspiracy folks out there that there's there's there. participantOne:(2151490-2155610): I'm at Leach just for the conspiracy folks out there that there's there's there. participantOne:(2155670-2158070): I actually like I said, we'll, go in depth about what. participantTwo:(2155670-2158070): I actually like I said, we'll, go in depth about what. participantOne:(2158110-2183480): Leach a pound after the killing villager, but um, he later wrote a manuscript about the you know, the villager, the pursuit of villager that investigation and some things had had traveled somewhere to a present the manuscript to a publisher and you know, mysteriously was killed in a single car car crash of and the manuscript was never found. participantTwo:(2158110-2183480): Leach a pound after the killing villager, but um, he later wrote a manuscript about the you know, the villager, the pursuit of villager that investigation and some things had had traveled somewhere to a present the manuscript to a publisher and you know, mysteriously was killed in a single car car crash of and the manuscript was never found. participantOne:(2184830-2189070): Here's the state police website to the manager was never found. participantTwo:(2184830-2189070): Here's the state police website to the manager was never found. participantOne:(2189270-2189730): Yeah. participantTwo:(2189270-2189730): Yeah. participantTwo:(2192670-2193990): Love huh. participantOne:(2192670-2193990): Love huh. participantTwo:(2194070-2195930): I don't know, but I'd love to read that then. participantOne:(2194090-2195930): I don't know, but I'd love to read that then. participantTwo:(2197000-2204860): Oh my interesting we're gonna think about the state police is John's brother Hubert, which you guys to find out doing our investigation. participantOne:(2197000-2204860): Oh my interesting, we're gonna think about the state police is John's brother Hubert, which you guys to find out doing our investigation. participantTwo:(2204860-2213360): How much the involvement he had with the game, but he later went on to work for the state police and mechanic and retired from the state police a mechanic? participantOne:(2204860-2213380): How much the involvement he had with the game, but he later went on to work for the state police and mechanic and retired from the state police a mechanic? participantTwo:(2215100-2215900): That's cool. participantOne:(2215100-2215860): That's cool. participantTwo:(2216900-2218620): Don't know why they hired even [laughter]. participantOne:(2216900-2218620): Don't know why they hired even [laughter]. participantOne:(2220350-2222470): Um, okay, let's. participantTwo:(2220350-2222470): Um, okay, let's. participantTwo:(2222470-2223230): Keep going guys. participantOne:(2222470-2223230): Keep going guys. participantOne:(2223230-2227830): Were running at a time for this episode, which is great, which is which this is pretty good stuff. participantTwo:(2223230-2227830): Were running at a time for this episode, which is great, which is which this is pretty good stuff. participantTwo:(2228470-2234470): Um, he's at Crown. jail in 1934 formed a new game with baby. participantOne:(2228470-2234470): Um, he's at Crown. jail in 1934 formed a new game with baby. participantTwo:(2234470-2235470): Face Nelson Homer. participantOne:(2234470-2235470): Face Nelson Homer. participantOne:(2235470-2238010): Vanmeter and John Hamilton was Hamilton part. participantTwo:(2235470-2238010): Vanmeter and John Hamilton was Hamilton part. participantTwo:(2238010-2240780): The old game Hamilton was part of the original gang. participantOne:(2238010-2240800): The old game Hamilton was part of the original gang. participantTwo:(2240780-2249320): I think, uh, I think Hamilton was really, uh, you know a mentor advisor that villager actually looked up to they had a few successful. participantOne:(2240800-2249320): I think, uh, I think Hamilton was really, uh, you know a mentor advisor that deliver actually looked up to, they had a few successful. participantTwo:(2249320-2250960): Robberies in 1934. participantOne:(2249320-2250960): Robberies in 1934. participantOne:(2250960-2252900): And took some time off in St. participantTwo:(2250960-2252880): And took some time off in St. participantTwo:(2252880-2254360): Paul during their stay in St. participantOne:(2252900-2254360): Paul during their stay in St. participantTwo:(2254360-2266860): Paul, their landlady became suspicious and called the FBI when the Bureau responded there was a brief shoot out, but all the gang members got away, although deliver was wounded in the leg villager and girlfriend. participantOne:(2254360-2266930): Paul, there, landlady became suspicious and called the FBI when the Bureau responded there was a brief shoot out, but all the gang members got away, although deliver was wounded in the leg deliver and girlfriend. participantTwo:(2266900-2277440): Billy Frechette made their way to the family farm in Morris Ville during the weekend of April 6th to 8th 1934, right under the surveillance of the FBI. participantOne:(2266930-2277590): Billy Frechette made their way to the family farm in Moore's bill during the weekend of April 6th to 8th in 1934, right under the surveillance of the FBI. participantOne:(2277830-2278690): Billy was later. participantTwo:(2277870-2278690): Billy was later. participantTwo:(2278690-2280010): Arrested in Chicago. participantOne:(2278690-2280010): Arrested in Chicago. participantTwo:(2280050-2290470): And depressed, that deliver went and depressed cylinder went for a vacation to a login upper Wisconsin known as little Bohemia, the FBI later. participantOne:(2280050-2288990): And depressed, that deliver went and a depressed cylinder went for a vacation to a large in upper Wisconsin known as little Bohemia. participantOne:(2289250-2290470): The FBI later. participantTwo:(2290470-2297820): Tracked them two little Bohemia and after a shoot out that left an innocent civilian, dead, the entire deliver gain got away. participantOne:(2290470-2297890): Tracked them two little Bohemia and after a shoot out that left an innocent civilian, dead, the entire deliver gain got away. participantTwo:(2297900-2299940): Did the FBI kill that civilian? participantOne:(2297970-2299230): Did the FBI kill that? participantOne:(2299270-2299730): Selena. participantTwo:(2300020-2301960): Yeah, yeah, yeah, [laughter]. participantOne:(2300210-2301930): Yeah, oh. yeah, [laughter]. participantTwo:(2302080-2303400): Just <unk>. participantTwo:(2303400-2311280): What happened is a the Bureau had intelligence that the deliver game was at little Bohemia that they were? participantOne:(2303430-2303910): What. participantOne:(2303910-2311290): So what happened is a the Bureau had intelligence that the delivering was at little Bohemia that they were. participantTwo:(2311580-2316660): They were a about to leave a that their departure was imminent. participantOne:(2311590-2316650): They were a about to leave a it was that their departure was imminent. participantTwo:(2317440-2319180): So when they finally get there. participantOne:(2317440-2319180): So when they finally get there. participantTwo:(2319180-2320160): It's it's it's. participantOne:(2319180-2320160): It's it's it's. participantOne:(2320200-2323940): Uh, probably 11 o'clock midnight or so. participantTwo:(2320200-2323940): Uh, probably 11 o'clock midnight or so. participantTwo:(2324180-2326020): Uh, they're disoriented. participantOne:(2324180-2326020): Uh, they're disoriented. participantTwo:(2326280-2329740): They write up and it just as they as they write up. participantOne:(2326280-2329740): They write up and it just as they as they write up. participantOne:(2329740-2332300): They don't have time to surround the building as normal. participantTwo:(2329740-2332300): They don't have time to surround the building as normal. participantTwo:(2332300-2333760): It would be normal procedure. participantOne:(2332300-2333760): It would be normal procedure. participantOne:(2334360-2341800): Ah, some guys are coming out of the bar and, um, there's a call for them to haul. participantTwo:(2334360-2341800): Ah, some guys are coming out of the bar and, um, there's a call for them to haul. participantOne:(2341800-2342500): They get in a car. participantTwo:(2341800-2342500): They get in a car. participantOne:(2342500-2347720): The these three guys get in a car they're starting to leave the Bureau says Hall. participantTwo:(2342500-2347720): The these three guys get in a car they're starting to leave the Bureau says Hall. participantOne:(2347780-2348140): There. participantTwo:(2347780-2348140): There. participantTwo:(2348140-2352400): They don't stop and they opened up and smoke them. participantOne:(2348140-2352400): They don't stop and they opened up and smoke them. participantOne:(2352820-2359780): Uh, and and one of one of the three was killed turns out just a complete innocent uninvolved person. participantTwo:(2352860-2359780): Uh, and and one of one of the three was killed turns out just a complete innocent uninvolved person. participantTwo:(2359780-2368440): Who is drinking at the bar and of course, this gunfire then alerts the villager game who returned a baby face Nelson returned? participantOne:(2359780-2368440): Who is drinking at the bar and of course, this gunfire then alerts the villager game who returned a baby face Nelson returned? participantOne:(2368440-2373460): Fire somewhat the rest again just just ran out the back and got away. participantTwo:(2368440-2373460): Fire somewhat the rest again just just ran out the back and got away. participantTwo:(2373520-2379160): So the Bureau thinking that the gang is trapped there stood just sat there. participantOne:(2373520-2379160): So the Bureau thinking that the gang is trapped there stood just sat there. participantTwo:(2379160-2379900): All night. participantOne:(2379160-2379900): All night. participantTwo:(2379980-2384520): Uh, you know, thinking, oh. we've got them trap ladies behind. participantOne:(2380000-2384520): Uh, you know, thinking, oh. we've got them trap ladies behind. participantTwo:(2384840-2386140): They left the ladies behind. participantOne:(2384840-2386100): They left the ladies behind. participantTwo:(2386460-2389080): So there with them and yeah, the FBI. participantOne:(2387660-2392060): With them and yeah, well the S P I had the ladies strapped, but the the gang had gotten away. participantTwo:(2389080-2392040): I had the ladies strapped, but the the gang had gotten away. participantTwo:(2392480-2394280): Um, interesting. participantOne:(2392500-2394300): Um, interesting. participantTwo:(2394320-2396180): I mean, it's just it's just crazy. participantOne:(2394340-2396180): I mean, it's, just it's just crazy. participantTwo:(2396180-2407020): How much lock and also how much a because that's happier lock that those revisions were coming out of the bar, right at that moment to the. where it stopped the FBI from doing their job, which is surrounding? participantOne:(2396180-2407010): How much luck and also how much a because that's year lock that those revisions were coming out of the bar, right at that moment to the. where it stopped the FBI from doing their job, which is surrounding? participantOne:(2407010-2408510): The and I'll I'll. participantTwo:(2407020-2410780): The building and I'll I'll just tell you a very interesting story for me. participantOne:(2408510-2410770): Just tell you a very interesting story for me. participantOne:(2410770-2411290): That don't. participantTwo:(2410780-2411280): That don't. participantTwo:(2411280-2411900): Do that. participantOne:(2411290-2411950): Do that. participantTwo:(2411940-2413100): So I don't wanna hear you. participantOne:(2412010-2413110): So you don't wanna hear you. participantTwo:(2413100-2414280): Tell another interesting. participantOne:(2413110-2414670): Tell another interesting story. participantOne:(2414810-2419750): Well, I I this this was a personal experience that was very very weird. participantTwo:(2414810-2419750): Well, I I this this was a personal experience that was very very weird. participantTwo:(2419790-2428410): Okay, so when you so, uh in 2021 and Travis was involved in this and well, uh, we were part of a an episode of expedition. participantOne:(2419790-2424710): Okay, so you could show a in 2021 and Travis was involved in this as well. participantOne:(2425060-2428420): Uh, we were part of a an episode of expedition. participantTwo:(2428410-2429970): Unknown on the discovery channel. participantOne:(2428420-2429960): Unknown on the discovery channel. participantOne:(2429960-2432220): And it's a somewhat highlighted the map. participantTwo:(2429970-2432230): And it, uh, somewhat highlighted the map. participantOne:(2432220-2432540): It didn't. participantTwo:(2432230-2434970): It didn't go in to near the detail that we're gonna go into. participantOne:(2432540-2445180): Go in to near the detail that we're gonna go into a, but we actually filled a sequence or a a segment of the episode at little Bohemia it's in far, upper northern Wisconsin it's a beautiful place. participantTwo:(2435760-2445180): Ah, but we actually filled a sequence or a segment of the episode at little Bohemia it's in far, upper northern Wisconsin it's a beautiful place. participantOne:(2445220-2447340): I I recommend anybody going there. participantTwo:(2445240-2447360): I I recommend anybody going there. participantOne:(2447340-2448940): They it's there's a nice restaurant. participantTwo:(2447360-2448940): They it's a there's a nice restaurant. participantTwo:(2448940-2449500): There. participantOne:(2448940-2449200): There. participantTwo:(2449680-2453520): It's very virtually unchanged from from 1934. participantOne:(2449690-2453510): It's very virtually unchanged from from 1934. participantOne:(2453510-2454890): When the delivering was there? participantTwo:(2453520-2454720): When the deliver game was there? participantTwo:(2455560-2464440): Um, and so after we had we had wrapped actually filming, one night up there and we all had a few drinks in the same bar where. participantOne:(2455590-2464450): Um, and so after we had we had wrapped actually filming, one night up there and we all had a few drinks in the same bar where. participantTwo:(2464440-2465820): Dylan, Gyr would've been. participantOne:(2464450-2465810): Dylan, Gyr would've been. participantOne:(2466590-2469090): And uh, had an early morning. participantTwo:(2466600-2469080): And uh, had an early morning. participantTwo:(2469080-2475280): The next day and so I I was gonna leave and so I I you know, was leaving the bars by myself. participantOne:(2469090-2475290): The next day and so I I was gonna leave and so I I you know, was leaving the bars by myself. participantOne:(2475490-2477970): I walked out the door and. participantTwo:(2475520-2477980): I walked out the door and. participantTwo:(2479500-2480620): Hello, hold. participantOne:(2479500-2480620): Hello, hold. participantOne:(2481520-2498900): Well, FBI holdup, not quite not quite but it was it was it was the weirdest feeling that I had actually been transported back in time because I walked out the very same door that these civilians would've walked out of it facing the words that where the FBI. participantTwo:(2481520-2498900): Well, FBI holdup, not quite not quite but it was it was it was the weirdest feeling that I had actually been transported back in time because I walked out the very same door that these civilians would've walked out of it facing the words that where the FBI. participantOne:(2498900-2502700): Would've been and I I swear for about. participantTwo:(2498900-2502700): Would've been and I I swear for about. participantTwo:(2504010-2505390): A second or 2. participantOne:(2504010-2505390): A second or 2. participantOne:(2505430-2512530): I I I was transported back in time and I was in 1934 and I it's like the FBI is right out there in front of me. participantTwo:(2505430-2512530): I I I was transported back in time and I was in 1934 and I it's like the FBI is right out there in front of me. participantOne:(2512570-2514910): It was the weirdest experience of my life. participantTwo:(2512570-2514910): It was the weirdest experience of my life. participantOne:(2515500-2518760): Uh, but, um, I it happened. participantTwo:(2515500-2518760): Uh, but, um, I it happened. participantTwo:(2518800-2519700): I can't deny it. participantOne:(2518800-2519700): I can't deny it. participantOne:(2519740-2523160): Did you get to talk to Melvin Melvin FBI agent? participantTwo:(2519740-2523160): Did you get to talk to Melvin Melvin FBI agent? participantTwo:(2523780-2524260): No. participantOne:(2523780-2524260): No. participantOne:(2525600-2531060): So no, I talked to you, but but, but the words, where, Melvin was we're, right in front of me. participantTwo:(2525600-2531060): So no, I talked to you, but but, but the words, where, Melvin was we're, right in front of me. participantOne:(2531060-2532360): It was the weirdest thing. participantTwo:(2531060-2532360): It was the weirdest thing. participantTwo:(2534080-2534900): Did you hear <unk>? participantOne:(2534080-2534900): Did you hear <unk>? participantTwo:(2535860-2536640): No, good shots. participantOne:(2535860-2536640): No, good shots. participantOne:(2536640-2540360): But it's almost like I like they were just about to happen. participantTwo:(2536640-2540360): But it's almost like I like they were just about to happen. participantTwo:(2540480-2543100): It was was it was the weirdest experience. participantOne:(2540480-2543100): It was was it was the weirdest experience. participantOne:(2543100-2546220): My wife do you there's something to say. participantTwo:(2543100-2546220): My wife do you there's something to say. participantTwo:(2546220-2547020): I mean, I'm pair. participantOne:(2546220-2547020): I mean, I'm pair. participantOne:(2547020-2548120): Normally challenged. participantTwo:(2547020-2548100): Normally challenged. participantOne:(2548380-2549140): I don't things. participantTwo:(2548420-2549140): I don't things. participantOne:(2549140-2552680): Don't happen to me her normal wise like hosts and talking and. participantTwo:(2549140-2552680): Don't happen to me her normal wise like hosts and talking and. participantTwo:(2553500-2565560): But there's something be said about feelings and being part of like history and walking and touching and yeah, and again, you know, I I I'm like you Joe. participantOne:(2553500-2565560): But there's something be said about feelings and being part of like history and walking and touching and yeah, and again, you know, I I I'm like you Joe. participantTwo:(2565560-2572160): I think we we've talked about that before because we were in a haunted place supposedly haunted place, time. participantOne:(2565560-2572160): I think we we've talked about that before because we were in a haunted place supposedly haunted place, time. participantOne:(2572160-2577620): And and I we both said I you know, I've, never experienced anything like this, but I I it. participantTwo:(2572160-2577620): And and I we both said I you know, I've, never experienced anything like this, but I I it. participantTwo:(2577620-2578720): Wasn't like a haunting. participantOne:(2577620-2578720): Wasn't like a haunting. participantOne:(2578720-2581990): It was just more like like for that brief moment. participantTwo:(2578720-2581990): It was just more like like for that brief moment. participantOne:(2581990-2583610): I was in 1934 and. participantTwo:(2581990-2583610): I was in 1934 and. participantTwo:(2584390-2586510): I just can't explain it any other way it was. participantOne:(2584390-2586510): I just can't explain it any other way it was. participantOne:(2586510-2587190): So weird. participantTwo:(2586510-2587190): So weird. participantOne:(2587230-2587950): Sure, do you know? participantTwo:(2587230-2587950): Sure, do you know? participantOne:(2587950-2588190): That's. participantTwo:(2587950-2588190): That's. participantOne:(2588190-2588810): So interesting. participantTwo:(2588190-2588810): So interesting. participantOne:(2588850-2590510): I've, never heard you tell that story. participantTwo:(2588850-2590510): I've, never heard you tell that story. participantOne:(2590570-2594810): Yeah, but you know, when we found the map, a few days prior to find the map. participantTwo:(2590630-2594810): Yeah, but you know, when we found the map, a few days prior to find the map. participantOne:(2594810-2601080): I had that dream about John walking to this missed and pointing up the ground where we found the map. participantTwo:(2594810-2601040): I had that dream about John walking to this missed and pointing up the ground where we found the map. participantTwo:(2601080-2611680): Yeah, yeah, like and I thought that was extremely weird that like our past is reaching out to tell us something exact that we've said from star Travis. participantOne:(2601120-2611680): Yeah, yeah, like and I thought that was extremely weird that like our past is reaching out to tell us something exact that we've said from star Travis. participantTwo:(2611680-2616620): That there is something to this that there's just there's more than meets the, I in this case. participantOne:(2611680-2616620): That there is something to this that there's just there's more than meets the, I in this case. participantTwo:(2617020-2619980): It's inexplicable to me, but it's there, there's. participantOne:(2617020-2619980): It's inexplicable to me, but it's there, there's. participantTwo:(2619980-2621080): No question. participantOne:(2619980-2621080): No question. participantTwo:(2621120-2623000): That there's something to this. participantOne:(2621120-2623000): That there's something to this. participantTwo:(2623240-2629880): Oh yeah, definitely a can I pull up another picture real quick of little Mia, please. participantOne:(2623280-2629880): Oh yeah, definitely a can I pull up another picture real quick of little Mia, please. participantTwo:(2630700-2632840): Shoot is this the is this the bar. participantOne:(2630700-2632840): Shoot is this the is this the bar. participantOne:(2635200-2636420): Got that's such a small picture. participantTwo:(2635200-2636420): Got that's such a small picture. participantOne:(2636420-2636520): I'm. participantTwo:(2636420-2636520): I'm. participantTwo:(2636520-2637700): Sorry, it's tiny. participantOne:(2636520-2637700): Sorry, it's tiny. participantTwo:(2637700-2639320): I gotta put put on the readers. participantOne:(2637700-2639320): I gotta put put on the readers. participantOne:(2639360-2641940): It looks like huh. participantTwo:(2639360-2641940): It looks like huh. participantOne:(2643150-2647150): Uh, yes, so if you look all the way to the left. participantTwo:(2643180-2647140): Uh, yeah, so if you look all the way to the left. participantOne:(2647210-2650550): Yeah, okay, that was the that was the door. participantTwo:(2647220-2650560): Yeah, okay, that was the that was the door. participantOne:(2650550-2651450): I came out of that's. participantTwo:(2650560-2651440): I came out of that's. participantTwo:(2651440-2653320): Actually where the bar is the <unk>. participantOne:(2651450-2655070): Actually where the bar is that the door that's in the middle. participantTwo:(2653320-2655040): The door that's in the middle. participantTwo:(2655080-2658840): It leads to the restaurant, but the bars all the way over to the left. participantOne:(2655110-2659810): It leads to the restaurant, but the bars all the way over to the left hand. participantTwo:(2662000-2664240): I'm trying to zoom in and I'm just having trouble here. participantOne:(2662000-2664240): I'm trying to zoom in and I'm just having trouble here. participantOne:(2664280-2666220): Okay, get there get there get there. participantTwo:(2664280-2666220): Okay, get there get there get there. participantTwo:(2666260-2668380): Okay, we're kind of we're kinda going [laughter]. participantOne:(2666260-2668380): Okay, we're kind of we're kinda going [laughter]. participantOne:(2670540-2671140): Oh. it's. participantTwo:(2670540-2671140): Oh. it's. participantTwo:(2671200-2673680): You know what it is a it's a beautiful place. participantOne:(2671200-2673680): You know what it is a it's a beautiful place. participantTwo:(2673720-2687930): A really is it sits on a Lake in fact, a you know the delivery gang got out and they, they ran around this Lake and they got away in various ways, but a man, it was just such an experience and a really cool. participantOne:(2673720-2687930): A really is it sits on a Lake in fact, a you know the delivery gang got out and they, they ran around this Lake and they got away in various ways, but a man, it was just such an experience and a really cool. participantTwo:(2687990-2691890): So, uh, we're we're doing great, but also running at a time. participantOne:(2687990-2691890): So, uh, we're we're doing great, but also running at a time. participantOne:(2691890-2693110): So, we're gonna keep going here. participantTwo:(2691890-2693110): So, we're gonna keep going here. participantTwo:(2693690-2695050): Dilger. participantOne:(2693690-2694950): Dilger. participantOne:(2695190-2695670): . participantTwo:(2695190-2695670): . participantOne:(2696440-2713480): You said after a little and meter had classic surgery to alter their fingerprints and facial features one of the one of the more important facts for our investigations for this conspiracy because a lot of people are like well, he had plastic surgery and stuff. participantTwo:(2696470-2715730): You said after a little and meter had classic surgery to alter their fingerprints and facial features one of the one of the more important facts for our investigations for this conspiracy because a lot of people are like well, he had plastic surgery and stop a he altered his fingerprints. participantOne:(2713520-2715720): Uh, he altered his fingerprints. participantOne:(2715720-2715940): So. participantTwo:(2715730-2715950): So. participantOne:(2717240-2723400): Of course the guy on the table on the all Topsy after the biographic was not correct. participantTwo:(2717240-2723400): Of course the guy on the table on the all Topsy after the biographic was not correct. participantTwo:(2723400-2727100): You know, wasn't a matching up with John delivers history. participantOne:(2723400-2727100): You know, wasn't a matching up with John villagers history. participantOne:(2727140-2758130): So, well, yeah, there were some some a features physical features of it that didn't match, but at least according to the prints that were taken of the course, the fingerprints had been altered on that fingerprint of that of the course now that said believe not that was not an uncommon thing at the time there were several criminals that that tried to thinking that that if I had my fingerprints a altered or Radich dated, they won't be able to identify me. participantTwo:(2727160-2758120): So, well, yeah, there were some some a features physical features of it that didn't match up, but at least according to the prints that were taken of the course, the fingerprints had been altered on that fingerprint of that of the course now that said believe not that was not an uncommon thing at the time there were several criminals that that tried to thinking that that if I had my finger prints the altered or Radich dated they won't be able to identify me. participantTwo:(2758520-2771770): Um, so so it was not an unheard of thing at the time to have your your fingerprints, a mutilated with acid, which was the description of the process was just set sounds like unbelievable pay? participantOne:(2758530-2771770): Um, so so it was not an unheard of thing at the time to have your your fingerprints, a mutilated with acid, which was the description of the process was just set sounds like unbelievable pay? participantOne:(2771890-2775670): Yeah, that does I mean, we'll go into the the changes. participantTwo:(2771950-2775670): Yeah, that does I mean, we'll go into the the changes. participantOne:(2775710-2779450): Uh, and when we go into your because we're gonna get a real index. participantTwo:(2775710-2779450): Uh, and when we go into your because we're gonna get a real index. participantOne:(2780270-2785170): We're gonna give our listeners a real indefinite, look of what your, what your report says. participantTwo:(2780270-2785170): We're gonna give our listeners a real indefinite, look of what your, what your report says. participantTwo:(2785170-2786490): And that's and that has a lot in it. participantOne:(2785170-2786490): And that's and that has a lot in it. participantTwo:(2786490-2791750): So anyway, shortly after after that deliver began staying with Anna, Sage. participantOne:(2786490-2791750): So anyway, shortly after after that deliver began staying with Anna, Sage. participantOne:(2791750-2794230): And he had a girlfriend named poly Hamilton. participantTwo:(2791750-2794230): And he had a girlfriend named poly Hamilton. participantTwo:(2794330-2797130): He was going, um, he was going by the name. participantOne:(2794330-2797130): He was going, um, he was going by the name. participantOne:(2797130-2799210): Jimmy Lawrence, Sage. participantTwo:(2797130-2799210): Jimmy Lawrence, Sage. participantTwo:(2799210-2803350): Who was facing deportation turn villager into the FBI? participantOne:(2799210-2803350): Who was facing deportation turn villager into the FBI? participantTwo:(2803350-2803830): Who later? participantOne:(2803350-2803830): Who later? participantOne:(2803830-2806990): Tracked and killed him at the bar graph feature in in Chicago. participantTwo:(2803830-2806990): Tracked and killed him at the bar graph feature in in Chicago. participantOne:(2807700-2815680): There were several discrepancies between the features of the dead, man and deliver and his father and sister didn't initially believe it was him. participantTwo:(2807700-2815680): There were several discrepancies between the features of the dead, man and deliver and his father and sister didn't initially believe it was him. participantOne:(2815900-2822320): Delivers father had him buried under a slab of concrete to avoid someone to digging him up. participantTwo:(2815900-2822320): Delivers father had him buried under a slab of concrete to avoid someone to digging him up. participantTwo:(2824280-2824580): Now. participantOne:(2824280-2824560): Now. participantOne:(2824600-2826860): Again probably dig him up though. participantTwo:(2824620-2826860): Again probably dig him up though. participantOne:(2826940-2839580): Yeah, so again, all all of all of that information is is what I would call the official story a as we go through this podcast alot of those things we can pick a part and we'll. participantTwo:(2826940-2839580): Yeah, so again, all all of all of that information is is what I would call the official story a as we go through this podcast alot of those things we can pick a part and we'll. participantOne:(2839580-2854640): Tell you the alternate side of of of that story, but yeah, that's that's, the official, uh, uh, it's part of the story and then almost immediately after delivers draft the FBI received information that he was still alive. participantTwo:(2839580-2854560): Tell you the alternate side of of of that story, but yeah, that's that's, the official, uh, uh, it's part of the story and then almost immediately after delivers draft the FBI received information that he was still alive. participantTwo:(2854840-2855960): The Bureau maintained. participantOne:(2854840-2855960): The Bureau maintained. participantOne:(2855960-2866830): That deliver had been positively identified through fingerprints and during the course of the deliver game bank mobile robberies, approximately $200,000 in negligible bonds. participantTwo:(2855960-2866840): That deliver had been positively identified through fingerprints and during the course of the delivery game bank Rabel robberies, approximately $200,000 in usual bonds. participantOne:(2866830-2872590): Were stolen and never recovered the Bureau documented documented efforts to find it. participantTwo:(2866840-2872600): Were stolen and never recovered the Bureau documented documented efforts to find it. participantOne:(2872590-2874010): Was unsuccessful. participantTwo:(2872600-2874020): Was unsuccessful. participantOne:(2874050-2874510): Yep. participantTwo:(2874060-2874540): Yep. participantTwo:(2877140-2877540): Yes. participantOne:(2877150-2877970): Yes, when you. participantTwo:(2879420-2885020): Sir, when you say <unk>, what did you call it on non negotiable bonds or negotiable bonds? participantOne:(2879990-2885020): When you say <unk>, what did you call it on non negotiable bonds or negotiable bonds? participantOne:(2885060-2891420): So that means that means basically it's not a bond it's issued to somebody you know in their name. participantTwo:(2885060-2891420): So that means that means basically it's not a bond it's issued to somebody you know in their name. participantOne:(2891460-2907780): Anybody can show up and and negotiate this Bon and in fact some of the cash it's, not cash it's, not cash it's a bond a you know, drawn on a particular bank and probably none of those banks exist anymore. participantTwo:(2891460-2907780): Anybody can show up and and negotiate this Bon and in fact some of the cash it's, not cash it's, not cash it's a bond a you know, drawn on a particular bank and probably none of those banks exist anymore. participantTwo:(2908500-2918260): Ah, but uh, some some of those bonds were actually negotiated after the fact the they were never a able to be traced anyone. participantOne:(2908500-2918260): Ah, but uh, some some of those bonds were actually negotiated after the fact the they were never a able to be traced anyone. participantOne:(2918300-2925980): So there and I say after the fact I mean, after deliver died some of those bonds surfaced that someone had negotiate. participantTwo:(2918340-2925980): So there and I say after the fact I mean, after deliver died some of those bonds surfaced that someone had negotiate. participantTwo:(2927320-2929740): Um, I'm interested to see. participantOne:(2927320-2929740): Um, I'm interested to see. participantTwo:(2929940-2933980): So I do honestly, I was under the impression it was always cash. participantOne:(2930060-2933980): So I do honestly, I was under the impression it was always cash. participantOne:(2934300-2936180): No <unk>. participantTwo:(2934300-2936180): No <unk>. participantTwo:(2936460-2937960): I mean, when you go to a bank don't. participantOne:(2936460-2937960): I mean, when you go to a bank don't. participantTwo:(2937960-2941480): You think, you're gonna hear here for the bank's money, but it's just negotiable bond. participantOne:(2937960-2941480): You think, you're gonna hear here for the bank's money, but it's just negotiable bond. participantTwo:(2941480-2945840): So what would they would they go and sell those bonds or like use those bonds for money? participantOne:(2941480-2945840): So what would they would they go and sell those bonds or like use those bonds for money? participantTwo:(2946250-2949110): Well, again, it was one of the things that that's that's. participantOne:(2946250-2949110): Well, again, it was one of the things that that's that's. participantOne:(2949110-2949770): Why they had? participantTwo:(2949110-2949770): Why they had? participantOne:(2949770-2954470): So much of it because they at the time if your gangster on the run. participantTwo:(2949770-2954470): So much of it because they at the time if your gangster on the run. participantTwo:(2954590-2955530): It doesn't. participantOne:(2954590-2955530): It doesn't. participantTwo:(2955530-2956930): Do you a lot of good? participantOne:(2955530-2956930): Do you a lot of good? participantTwo:(2957230-2958850): I don't know what the <unk>. participantOne:(2957250-2958850): I don't know what the <unk>. participantTwo:(2958850-2959810): I don't know. participantOne:(2958850-2959810): I don't know. participantOne:(2959810-2962090): I don't know necessarily know what the procedure. participantTwo:(2959810-2962090): I don't know necessarily know what the procedure. participantOne:(2962090-2963930): The 193301934. participantTwo:(2962090-2963930): The 193301934. participantTwo:(2963930-2968560): Was for you know, a negotiated [laughter]. participantOne:(2963930-2968560): Was for you know, a negotiated [laughter]. participantOne:(2968560-2989280): You know, did you have to show some kind of id a prob probably not because, uh, it just times were simpler in those days, but again, it wasn't easy as did you could just walk into a store and give them a bond a you know, as you could that's what I'm saying and you're saying and it makes more sense? participantTwo:(2968560-2989280): You know, did you have to show some kind of id a prob probably not because, uh, it just times were simpler in those days, but again, it wasn't easy as did you could just walk into a store and give them a bond a you know, as you could that's what I'm saying and you're saying and it makes more sense? participantOne:(2989280-2993740): Actually, I think let me get this right because we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna stop this episode. participantTwo:(2989280-2993740): Actually, I think let me get this right because we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna stop this episode. participantTwo:(2994340-3003620): Um, because we're running at a time, but essentially they used all the cash and they had these bonds kinda left over and so that's what's hidden. participantOne:(2994340-3003620): Um, because we're running at a time, but essentially they used all the cash and they had these bonds kinda left over and so that's what's hidden. participantOne:(3003880-3006440): Yeah, well they knew that the the bonds have value. participantTwo:(3003900-3006440): Yeah, well they knew that the the bonds have value. participantTwo:(3006480-3009820): So they're not gonna just throw them away or you know, not take them. participantOne:(3006480-3009820): So they're not gonna just throw them away or you know, not take them. participantTwo:(3009860-3011160): So that so they had them. participantOne:(3009860-3011160): So that so they had them. participantOne:(3011930-3018170): You know, and and I guess with the thought we can use them at some. it certainly wasn't easy it's easy to use cash. participantTwo:(3011930-3018190): You know, and and I guess thought we can use them at some. it certainly wasn't easy is easy to use this cash. participantOne:(3018210-3023110): You guys know like if like we go through this like I want one, huh. participantTwo:(3018230-3023090): You guys know like if like we go through this like I want one, huh. participantTwo:(3023130-3028630): Oh yeah, yeah, not just not for the money, but for like just the pure fact that that would be. participantOne:(3023150-3031110): Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, not just not for the money, but for like just the pure fact that that would be showed up to have one of the one of them. participantTwo:(3028630-3030930): So due to have one of those one of them. participantOne:(3031110-3031170): <unk>. participantOne:(3032520-3034180): Okay, guys great job. participantTwo:(3032530-3034190): Okay, guys great job. participantOne:(3034180-3035480): How you guys feel good? participantTwo:(3034190-3035490): How you guys feel good? participantOne:(3035540-3038180): We all love hot authoring, huh. participantTwo:(3035570-3038190): We love hot Street, huh. 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