Hello, and welcome to Eyewitness Beauty, the podcast where we talk about the biggest stories in the beauty industry each week. I am Nick Axelrod Welk, joined, as always, and of course, by the ever -charming, ever -lovely, ever -smiley, Diamond Rose Creek Bomb. Bomb. Yeah, that's what's so unfortunate about this audio medium, is nobody sees how-- Except for the Patreon. Except for the patrons. They know. Can I just make a disclaimer? I'm not feeling my best. Why? My eyes are red. I'm having a low moment. You know how life is full of ups and downs and highs and lows? [BLANK _AUDIO] I'm riding a low, I'm really tired and like since Evie is in a real bed and she's free range, like we haven't slept well, like I was in the most, I was in the most, I don't know, I was in the most beautiful part of slumber today, last night, whenever that was and then you hear "Downey !" And then you're like woken up from it. How does that not just crack you up every time? Her little, what, does she have a little continental accent? She has a little bit of like a rasp to her voice, which I like. But, I mean, it never actually makes us upset, but... it's just like It stirs me from the deepest darkest sleep. I've ever had and that's what I find just really tough on my physical well -being Can I tell you what you need to keep doing is the aura ring? What it's gonna tell me it's gonna tell me what I already know Yeah, but that's half the battle Is like telling yourself is being validated being validated is being validated by an app it's it's not great at real -time heart rate monitoring which I learned I need to stay in zone two if I want to serve body no have you heard face card no what's that so the face card is when you have like a face like when you're like fit have you heard the term The face card does not decline. Her face card is never declined. That means like you have like face. Who but who says these terms? So most recently, it's been used in a, my favorite, am I allowed to call him a twink or is that only for other twinks? It depends. It depends who. Troy Sivan, Troy. Oh, yeah, you can call him a twink. He uses it in my favorite one of my favorite top 40 pop songs at the moment, which is one of the girls. Have you seen it? Yeah, music video where he's in drag. He goes face card, no cash, no credit. So that means I'm beautiful. I have a face card, I don't need cash or credit. So I am now working on the body. part of that body card face the face I've been working on. I don't know if there's much improvement to make Well, I'm gonna say there's not much you can do Not much you can do unless you're gonna go invasive. It's I Don't really feel like doing at the moment. Maybe one day I do a little lift. I have a friend who believes that you should not touch your face until you turn 50 and then you get a lower face. You get your lower face done and your eyes done and then at 60, you get your upper face or something like that. Well, what are you leaving behind if you get your lower, like you're doing your eyes and your lower face? What's their forehead? I actually don't know. but your eyes like, you know, it takes away like the bags and the droopiness. And then lower is like your neck, right? - And your jawline? - I think lower is not, maybe it does include your jawline, I don't know. But then I don't know what your upper does. But I know that like right now the newest trends are not doing a full face. like they used to do, like doing sort of like pieces of facelifts, like you're lower, you're upper. I have a plastic surgeon friend. I mean, we haven't spoken since college, but he was giving me that. So you've heard of a plastic surgeon? No, no, no, we were like, we were, we were, um, kicking in the DMs and because we're were talking about, I won't put him on blast, but we were talking about a celeb, not his patient, but he was showing me where she had a little work done. I was like, oh, I see this, I see this guy. Like circled it, like a little like football analyst. He was like right here, the X, it was funny. Well, I was gonna say you have to get a heart rate monitor, not an aura ring, if you're gonna try it this week. - I know, but I, oh really? - One of the things that you wear around your chest. - Yeah. Yeah, because, and then you have to get around. - And you wear that all the time? It's like strapped around your chest all the time? - No, but if you want to lose weight, you have to stay in zone two, heart rate. There's, I think six zones in terms of heart rate. I get progressively higher. And if you go higher than zone two, your body is not burning fat. It's burning something else. And you want your body, you want to stay in zone two, which is kind of like low impact cardio. It's like, for me, you need to go higher than zone two. up a, like, not even power walking, not even like a quick -paced walk, and like not even like a high incline, I'm in Zone 2 easy. I don't know if that means I'm in good shape or bad shape. And then you keep your little phone open, and you track your heart rate, and you want to stay in Zone 2, and you don't want to go higher, you don't want to go lower. It's always, like, that weight loss zone is always, is always less strenuous than you think it should be like you think it should be like sprinting is what makes you lose weight but it's not it's like slowly walking. Yeah and my dumbass is using my aura ring to try dumbass heart rate. Hey don't talk about my co -host like that. Okay I'm sorry I'm not a dumbass actually. That's one thing I'm not. Actually not at all. all. I could call you lots of things. - I embody many, I have many facets to my personality. - 100%. - 100%. - But a dumb ass I am not. - Mm -mm. - And yeah, you just keep your little heart rate thing open. You know what, you do sweat more in zone two than you do in the higher zones. - And the key is doing it for like, an hour, right? - An hour, yeah. But I was at the gym running, thinking I needed to do that to stay in zone two because my aura ring was telling me my heart rate was much lower than it was. And then I got my little band heart rate monitor. I jumped on that equinox treadmill with the bounce to it. And I was power walking. - And it turns out it's not? - Right. - It was in zone two. I need the girls at Equinox in New York to start wearing flip flops in the common spaces in the locker rooms. I just need to everybody to start doing that. I'm so I'm I it's disgusting, frankly, to see you guys walking around with no shoes on barefoot, sauna, steam room, showers. I mean, there was there must be like an athlete. foot plantar wart pandemic in New York City. - That's so disgusting. - And they're all getting pedicures at your favorite places. So wherever, I don't know. I would just, if you live in New York, I would steer clear of any like public foot spaces right now because the girls are not wearing flip flops. Flip flops, I say, flip flops. Speaking of, let's get into the street. Sorry, do you have any personal stories? Because I thought that would be a good segue into something that you're working on this week, which is an investigation into. Oh, yes. Top stories. "Latest word also from National Press Services in Washington, D .C." This is as breaking news as we've ever had. And by breaking news, I mean it's been news since 1974. And heartbreaking for us personally. Heartbreak. Heartbreaking and breaking. Okay, so this was a tip. I was tipped off by a friend, not of the pod, I don't even think she knows I have a podcast, named Cara Price. She is, she has Belle Trist, that book club with Emma Roberts. She is very smart and very funny, lives in New York. She posted a screenshot of a blind item. That then I did a little bit more digging into And it turns out to be true. So there's a conspiracy on a tiktok a brewing that We've all never worn a pair of Uggs What is what do you mean we all have Uggs they're not Uggs the only she shoe that is an actual Ugg is sold from a single website in Australia called Uggs, Uggsince1974 .com .au and the brand Ugg that we buy in America that acquired Ugg but not the Australian brand Ugg just, I guess, guess the trademark UG in 1995 has been making UG boots in Countries that are not Australia So we have as a people have never like we thought that we were buying Like the original UG boots, right that we're like first for like You know Australians You know like the the, just like the very basic boot, I know. And it turns out that we're not. So if you now go to UGG since 1974, it's the original Australian made UGG boot. Same logo, which I don't understand. But if you go about us, they have a lot of explaining about all of this. Ready? Did you know you cannot buy Australian -made Uggs outside of Australia under the name Ugg? Yes, there's a difference between Ugg and Ugg since 1974. Why? Ugg since 1974 is a third generation Australian -made Ugg family owned and operated family business. We have proudly been hand -making Uggs here in Australia since 1974. We love our craft. Our logos are similar. We both sell Uggs, but beyond that, that's the end of our similarities. We do not currently nor have we ever had an affiliation or relationship with Ugg. [laughs] What the fuck? Ugg, like the American version of Ugg, is owned by a U .S. company called Deckers Outdoor Corporation and is publicly listed on the New York Stock Exchange. We manage, meanwhile, Ugg Australian, Ugg since 1974, all of their boots are manufactured at a workshop on the Gold Coast of Queensland, Australia. Ugg, our Ugg. is manufacturing boots in countries such as China, Vietnam, and the Philippines. It doesn't really explain how there are two... Yeah, I feel like they're leaving some crucial details out. Does that mean... Can we speculate now? Are we out that time? Okay, so did they not register their trademark in... the US market? And so somebody just... Well, okay, glad you asked. We're unable to expand under the UG name overseas because the trademark to the word UG is held in most countries by UG or Decker's Outdoor Corporation. Those motherfuckers. Our brand is only able to be used within Australia and New Zealand and even within Australia, there are now lots of other UG brands not made here. We're working to produce... the notion that UGG ought to be used as a generic word for a sheepskin boot, made only and entirely in Australia. Currently, this is not the case. As within Australia, anyone can sell an UGG boot regardless of where they were made. Then outside Australia, there is UGG, who maintains a trademark over the word UGG outside of Australia and New Zealand, despite its trademark in those countries being granted many years after UGGs were already being produced in Australia. Australia Okay, I'm gonna need we needed our Australian Representatives to write into the pod our readers and let us know what the fuck is going on with trademark law in Australia Well, it says it says if you have any other questions, you can contact us. So should we yeah, let's get to the bottom of this I mean, I also bought a pair and what I like I mean listen TBD, but I'm very excited to see how and if they're different. I noticed like they have an ultra mini. Great. Yeah, they're called the same. They have the same style names. And they're about the same price. Like an UGG since 1974 UGG is $149. The thing that's kind of laughable is that they are made. to order. And so, okay, I'm going to order, you know, my Ultra Mini. I'm not seeing. I'm going to check out. Ready? I'm going to check out. And here's what it's going to tell me when my order is going to be delivered. Ready? Dispatch in March 2024. I guess good things come to those who wait. What I'm not seeing on... on Uggs since 1974 .com are tie -dye. I'm not seeing the ribbed flat forms that are seven inches high. But it's the same font. Something must have happened. Something must have happened. If anyone knows what happened. Well, I think it's a shady trademark issue. because if you're starting a business, which you would know, Nick, like you want to register your trademark not only where you plan to do business, but in other in foreign markets. And actually, there's something I think called the Paris Amendment or the Paris Agreement where that has to do a trademark law that protects brands because there's so many fraudsters and people that may. their whole make a living off of trade registering for trademarks for brands that exist in other markets in like China or the Philippines. So that's a squatters. Yeah, exactly. Like people who exactly squat on website URL. So common words like lipstick .com like you can't buy because somebody bought that knowing it would be a valuable trademark or you would even see it on Instagram. and like usernames it used to be a big issue where people would register like major corporations like usernames you know fuji like my mom works for fuji fuji film the camera company i'm thinking like it's the only business over there called fuji no there's a million businesses over there called fuji it's a mountain yeah it's one of the most famous it's actually the most famous mountain one of the the most, besides Everest, it's one of the most famous mountains in the world. - Yeah, a major, major, like, influential mountain. - So would you consider, would you consider, like, I know that with necessary, when we were trademarking necessary, there was a concern that it was descriptive because it has a, you know, it means several things, but like-- - Necessary. - Exactly. So like, you could argue in some ways-- - There's a marketing term. No, no, it's not about being marketing term. It's just whether the name is descriptive and can you... Like, I can't trademark the name, like, "beauty." Yeah, or essential. But who uses "necessary" in terms of describing something? I actually don't agree that it's descriptive. So, I'll go to bat for you in court. Thank you. Anyways... Anyway, so like if anyone has any tips about like what happened what what the fight the the the fight that ended at all between the ugg sisters And also, it might it might do assume based on that about us statement that the term ugg is just like a colloquial term Well, that's what ugg since 1974 is arguing So it's not actually their brand name, it's just to them is a descriptive term. Okay. You know what? I'm now on the American Ugg website and I'm saying, "I'm going to our story." Okay. So what's interesting is that Ugg, our story begins in the 1970s with a surfer who broke convention and decided to live by his own authentic rules. rules. After realizing life as an accountant was not for him, Brian Smith moved to California. -Fake. -And recognized the desire to create sheepskin footwear for the surfing community. With a dream, Brian bravely pursued his passion, redefining his life and our culture forever. -This is fake. Brian Smith isn't real. Wait, I'm looking at his LinkedIn. Wait, Nick, I'm going to send you his LinkedIn. Just don't react. Nobody Google this guy. Nick is clicking. He was born in Australia. I'm not fine. OK, OK, with five hundred dollars of startup money, he founded UGG Imports to bring sheepskin footwear to America. America. I'm going to say something really controversial and anyone who's close to me knows this. I got a real problem with those Australians coming over here to the U .S. and starting all their little small businesses. Not all Australians, but some are just not to be trusted. They're opening their little cafes, they're serving avocado toast like they came up with it. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to take my ultramanis and I'm going to take them to rock them like he did with Bud Light. (laughing) - Like shoot, shoot, shoot. - We're gonna have, you know what we're gonna have? We're gonna have everybody meet me at Rockaway Beach this Saturday, 5 p .m. And we're gonna burn, we're gonna have an UGG bonfire. We're gonna burn the U .S. UGGs and we're gonna place all of our pre -orders for some UGG -19s. 1975. The weird thing is I don't think that, so he sold Ugg to Decker's Outdoor Corporation when sales reached $15 million, so he must not have sold it for that much money. I also say that because if you go to his website, Brian Smith Speaker, and his little icon is like an Ugg boot next to the word Ugg Founder Brian Smith. Smith. It's like all about booking him to speak and it's like 50 % deposit is non -refundable and secure to date, like blah, blah, blah, blah. Should we get him on the pod? Should we have him defend himself? Okay, so to have him talk to you in Southern California, it's $10 ,000. If he's going out of California. Will he do it for the exposure? Well, he'll do a one hour zoom call for $500. $500 Should we do it? I don't know if we have a fucking grill him No, I'd be like half of our monthly patreon. Okay, but do you know what I'm thinking is do you know how in New York City? There was Magnolia bakery and then like the baker or like the one of the owners like from Magnolia They like broke up. It was like a couple. They were partners something and then Billy's bakery launched Okay which was like the same thing, but just under a different name. And now there's both Billy's Bakery and Magnolia Bakery that are like from two separate, warring bakers. Similarly with Ugg, I wonder if Brian Smith, here's what I think Brian Smith did. I think Brian Smith was like, oh, you know, or that's British. He was like, I, these, these, you know, like our, these shoes are so, great for after you surf, they're so cozy. People in Southern California would love these." It was probably at a point where Ugg was not really a brand. It probably was just more like Minnetonka -Makasins kind of thing, where they were just sort of like a look of a Makasin or like a look of a ... But then he did kind of co -op the logo. logo? Because obviously he like he like probably at that point was like, oh can I import these and the ug since 1974 brand was probably like sure but then He probably bought the trademark in the US for it and then fucked up since 1974 up. I Don't like this at all. I really don't And also like this is such a funny name for the person who started he's not real. It's made up Decker Corporation just, like, made this guy up. They paid an actor. They're making him live his life as, like, a motivational speaker, just as, like, a front. So there's a new UG on the website. It's called the EZ Does It, D -U -Z -Z -I -T. This is UG -U -S. UG -U -S. And it can only be described as, "What was that?" brand like they're like candies, meats, um, sketchers, meat. What was like the one the flip -flop that had a platform that like was really big when we were kids? Flip -flop? Oh, Rocket Dog? Rocket Dog? Yeah, yeah, they're like a Rocket Dog shoe. They just keep on coming out with wackier and wackier. Oh, it's a mule. Are you talking about the mule? It's called the easy does it. There's an easy does it with laces and there's an easy does it with laces. Yeah Yeah, these are like Hit most crazy thing you've ever seen Like I need a poor bleach in my eyes after going to the ugly boss website It's so good. We take back everything we've said about there. No, but they're just like always coming up with the craziest things I know, but it's like You know the stuff isn't selling. So I think it is as my favorite podcast What's it called? sexy unique podcast Says it's gonna end up on trash Island You know what I mean? Do you think you know what they mean? Oh? Oh my god, there's a sesame seed UG collaboration. Didn't know about that one. - Don't like that. Did I tell you about the craziest morning of my life? When I was living in Green Point at the time, don't recommend it. And I was taking little Layla for a walk, my dog. And it was very, it was early in the morning. I was, you know, in the days between slumber and wickedness. And I turned around and I was like, the corner and I see in the distance. I was wearing my contacts. No glasses a big There was a crowd of people and a large yellow Blur like a few blocks down and I'm like what and as I walk forward It things start taking shape and edges are defined and it's fucking Big Bird. It's Big Bird in the flesh literally the Big Bird and they're filming Sesame Street. Is that crazy? That is I didn't I thought they filmed it on like a fake set. I didn't know they filmed it like in a real city They filmed they were filming this part on a this like oh, this was like the man on a street the man on the street segment I think it was a segment where Big Big Bird was buying like Big Bird on the street Nuts from yeah, he was like screaming at people and asking them to name a woman. No, I think he was with like a street. I think those scene was like, he was with a street vendor or something that was like selling peanuts. I don't know. But then I tried to take a photo. A bodyguard came up and put his hand in my face and I was like, "Whoa, this is not like, "this is not the Sesame Street I grew up with." And then there was like a nice producer sitting in her little like chair. - And they're like, "Oh, that's not the Sesame Street "you grew up with. "It's Sesame Street since 1974." 1974. Exactly. That is not affiliated with Sesame Street, which is a trademark of the Jim Hansen Corporation, which is owned by NBCUniversal. Which is owned by Decker's International. And now they have, are they Big Bird? Like did they like skin Big Bird and like make eggs out of them? Yes, probably. Are they, no, seriously, are they like yellow feathered eggs? The, the answer is... is always question everything question everything What what could an odd collaboration with sesame shoot look like if not for skin versions of your favorite? That would be the most genius thing. We're like blue like cookie monster blue Yeah, almost no, it's just pictures of them on them. It's not as creative as they would have it I'm so tired of not being hired to do weird shit like this. - It would be so fun, I know. - Are you gonna get Rafi and Evie? Some of these are good. - They're sold out. - They look like it is. I gotta say. - They're sold out. - Okay, very quickly, a few other things because we said this is gonna be a relatively shorter episode. Selena Gomez's Rare Beauty, from what I understood, like one of the number, the number one makeup brand maybe in Sephora. Sephora at some point recently is launching body care to which we are shaking in our little boots to which I say welcome and there's room for everyone and of course her body care line is themed around you know wellness and emotional health and it's called the find comfort body collection. I need her to launch a pair of shower sandals and I need her and of course her body line is going to come with some gloves that you have to wear moisturizing gloves that prevent you from getting back on Instagram when you said that you would take a break from social media. That makes your like phone too slippery. I'm excited. that there's just, it just means that all of us in the body care industry are going to have to up our games. You know what I mean? Good luck. I welcome him. I welcome the competition. Tom Ford launched a new fragrance. He's such a rascal. This one's called vanilla sex. The worst name for sex. Vanessa, when I was in a sorority, when I was in a sorority, we had code words for when girls were going through rush. You didn't want to like say nasty things about them, but you had code words that meant, you know, what you wanted to say. So I'm not gonna, so PV. And I better not, Nick, you were around when I got the backlash for the sorority article. And listen, you all were are complicit in this. so don't get mad at me. I learned it from you. So one of the terms was PV, which stands for plain vanilla. And that's what you would call a girl that was just boring as fuck. Like, she's really pretty. She comes from a good family, but she's PV. It kind of sounds like a venereal disease. I know. I was going to say, it feels like you need to sort of like take more probiotics or something. So for Tom Ford to call his fragrance vanilla sex, I'm like, boring sex? - Well, I think that's the joke. I think that's the sort of wink that Tom Ford is known for. I one time, side note, got a sample of fucking fabulous. The fragrance that he is probably following up with this one. And it was the most disgust. I usually like Tom Ford fragrances. It was the most disgust. fragrance I've ever smelled. Did you know that at the airport in Doha, they block out the fucking? Oh, I was going to say like they call it like just fabulous or something. Family fabulous. Oh, I don't know. I mean, I, I, we actually have a, I don't know if you know him actually. actually, but a friend of mine was one of the cop heads of copy at Tom Ford Beauty for like five or six years and did like lips and boys and did, I believe he did fucking fabulous. He's the genius with naming products and shades, Bob Reyes. And, but I don't, I don't, vanilla sex is not something he would come up with. I just feel that in my my core I just don't feel like there's a wink to this one because I think some vanilla is a Scent that does well across the board for him. I feel like it's just a scent category. He's trying to expand So he was just like what's something edgy of vanilla sex Not really I don't think that it's like meant to be like funny. I don't know that he understands that vanilla I personally don't actually think vanilla is boring. I love vanilla. I have 12 vanilla beans I love my life. Oh my god. I love vanilla. I made my own I bought an immersion blender last year and Made my own vanilla extract using everclear and vanilla beans and an immersion blender Or not immersion blender. Sorry sous vide machine. Oh, what why? because - Because you can in vodka or something, you can do that, but like the actual better way to infuse the flavor of vanilla is to put the beans in the alcohol solution in a jar and then put that jar in a water bath at a certain temperature, consistent temperature for like eight or 10 hours. and that actually makes it easier to infuse the flavors and that actually makes it easier to infuse the flavors and that actually makes it easier to infuse the flavors and that actually makes it easier to infuse the flavors and that actually makes it easier to infuse the flavors and that actually makes it easier to infuse the flavors yields a more rounded, fuller profile of vanilla and quicker. I imagine much quicker than like months, 24 months that I have to keep interesting. I got Balinese vanilla beans when I was just there. That's so funny because that's like, I think Balinese vanilla beans are the most prized, like the rarest. So I bought the vanilla beans. online. I think there may be Balinese, I forget which ones. And those are the ones that I made my vanilla with. I went to the, I went to like a little like vanilla bean farm in Bali. And they also had the coffee that is from the excretions of those animals that are like kind of like ferrets or foxes or like poop puffs. So yeah, I feel what it's called. I don't know. Well, I have it in there. I haven't cracked it open yet and like done the whole thing. But I've been on a tea kick lately. I think I talked about this last week. Experiment has been clearing up my acne and also Kate Young's charcoal pills. It's like anyone who gets on a tea kick is going through something. - I feel like chai is a little different. - When people give up caffeine, I know, but like tea has really any caffeine. - Do you understand that rose tea has a-- - Yeah, but like really-- - Black tea, green tea? No, you're wrong, sorry. Herbal tea? - Yes. - I'm over here drinking really strong, what's it, Missala chai in the tea store down there? I buy the loose leaf. We have a true kind of crime. corner We're gonna try something new here on the pod and cover like a really crazy true crime story with a beauty twist Very specific criteria, but continue So and this is recent too. So it kind of gave me the heebie -jeebies because I feel like This wasn't really my crew in Austin But I feel like I was definitely around these people and they the story takes place place in places that I patronized in Austin. So there is, as you know, a big health nerd community in Austin. And there is, there was this guy who was a big bicycle racer, he did like, not dirt bike, but like open road bicycle racing, you know, where the spandex like Lance Armstrong style. And he was in a relationship and lived with this woman. He was in a relationship with a woman who was a yoga instructor named Caitlin Armstrong, 36 years old. And yeah, she was just a yoga girl in Austin dating like a health fitness nerd. And he, meanwhile, had kind of of started a flirtatious relationship with a beautiful, stunning, gorgeous girly named Moe Wilson, who was an up and coming star in the cycling world. I mean, this woman is stunning. And it was like behind Caitlin's back that they were talking. Got it. And I think, and I think he kind of maybe misled Moe a little bit into thinking that Moe just seems like she really has her head on her shoulders. She would not want to be entrenched in the drama of a love triangle, let's say. So Moe is down in Austin for a race. She has her bike, she's staying at her friend's house. [BLANK _AUDIO] believe in the neighborhood office of South Congress. And this guy is like, let's go hang out. He told his girlfriend, Caitlin, that he was doing something else, not hanging out with this girl. She had her suspicion, so what does she do? She tracks him on the Strava app. I don't know anything about this app other than runners and bicyclists. use it. And apparently you can see where your friends are. So it's kind of like sharing your location. Got it. So be careful out there with your apps people because crazy shit can happen. So Caitlin, his crazy fucking girlfriend is tracking him on this app and she's following them place to place. They go out to eat and then they go to Barton Springs, which is like... Is he wearing like a whoop? Is that how like the app is... tracking his movements? - I don't know if it's his phone. I don't know if it's his whoop. I don't know if it's his, I don't know what. If it's his oar ring. Somehow he is able to be tracked on Strava and Caitlyn is like fucking creeping, falling them around. He drops Mo back off at her friend's house in Austin. She's there alone. He rides off on his motorcycle. Caitlyn. Caitlyn his crazy girlfriend drives up to the house knocks on the door Moe answers. This is horrible by the way. I kind of feel creepy like I don't know how Podcasters do like their whole career is like off of like making entertainment off of people's like horrible like life Okay, continue continue continue. She kills her. She shoots her Dad what yes Yes. The craziness. Just for, just for like cheating? Just for, but this girl is like innocent. Come on. She's innocent because her boyfriend like took her on a little date, which sounds like completely, it was like an, it was like a early dinner of like Barton Creek, go home by like 7pm kind of date. Kills her. Then she takes her on a little date. her bike, steals her bike and rides off, ditches the bike, the racing bike and then gets in her SUV and drives off. She's caught on ring cameras, her SUV, like all signs are pointing to this woman. So they take her in for questioning, they take her boyfriend in for questioning and they know what's going. The police kind of... have her number. After she's taken in for questioning, she immediately goes and steals her sister's passport. Why is that-- - Hold on, hold on. I thought she's in questioning, how can she do that? - 'Cause she wasn't arrested yet. They just took her in for questioning and they let her go. So there was like a little like sweet spot in there where she was like, I gotta get the fuck out of here. I just killed this person and I am, I'm on the run now. I'm-- I'm like, I've made that, I've made my bed, I'm gonna lay in it kind of a thing or I'm not gonna lay in it. I'm gonna get away from the bed. - Side note, I could never kill someone. - Never. I've had nightmares where I've accidentally killed people and it's like ruined me for like a month. - And for me, it's always like I drew, I drew, it was like a drive by or whatever. - One time this happened to me and I removed an air conditioner. from my window and a brick was propping it up on the outside that it was there and it fell to the ground. And I still like to this day, shudder at the thought of like, if somebody was walking below, I just, I wouldn't be able to live with myself. - What would you have done? So if somebody was, what would you have done? - I would have immediately called the police. - You would have? - Or the ambulance. - And if that person died, you would be charged with manslaughter. - What am I gonna do? do? Pretend it wasn't me maybe just close the window Nick. I thought you were the one that couldn't ever no no no I mean, I just I Here's one thing you have to know about me I'm not a dumbass and I'm also like really into following the rules. I don't like breaking rules me true Like I really I don't like ruffling feathers. I don't I ruffling feathers Actually, maybe that's one of the things that brings us together because Casey always laughs that one of our first dates, like when we got our check, they didn't charge us for the bottle of sake that we had at the sushi restaurant, and I like told them. - Oh, I'm okay with that. - And Casey was like, what the fuck? - That's not a rule, that's like human error, that's a little gift from God. You're weird, I don't know. So I'm with Casey on that one. So where were we? Okay, so she steals her sister's passport. passport flies to New York and then takes a plane out of New York to Mexico, I think I'm getting I might get some details wrong, but I Feel like we're like now. We're in Austin. We're in Mexico. Like yeah, this is worldwide. She goes to Mexico. What does she do? She gets a fucking nose job. She gets lip filler. She gets a bolero plasti. Is that what it's called where you get she got the Yeah, yeah, she got got a lower. She did exactly what you were just talking about. She got her lower face done. Because in Mexico, in Mexico, she went to some random clinic in Mexico. I looked up the actually the clinic and I was like, this is bleak. Can you imagine like your life is over? You've fucked up. You've ruined everyone's lives and your own. And now you're having to go to like some random plastic surgery. But was she doing it to like change her appearance? Yeah. Yes. She was like, is it Minority Report where he goes to like change his face? I don't know. To like an underground, it was like very much that I imagine I wasn't there. But she goes and she gets plastic surgery from this guy with her sister's passport. And then she fucks off to like a wellness retreat in Costa Rica with all these other like hippie wellness people. And she's trying, she's like begging. begging the guy that owns the Hostel to like pay her to teach yoga classes because she like needs the money and Then the police somehow track her down there. They actually added her back to the US and now she's in prison Or she was in jail awaiting her trial She fucking fakes an injury It runs away escapes again That's on us And that now she's now she's in prison for the rest of her life She okay. We threw the book at her. Yeah. Oh, Texas doesn't like that. We don't like that at all. That is a creepy story Isn't that creepy? Can you imagine put yourself in her shoes like getting like can you imagine your cortisol levels would be just like through the fucking roof? And then you're going in you're getting plastic surgery From like a dog like did she even I I don't even know like was she on real self checking the reviews or was she? she just like where's the nearest plastic surgeon? I think you're maybe desperate. Yeah How in? Does that bring you back to when you were in Korea getting like the B shape small face? So my question though is is she in the same jail that Elizabeth Holmes and Jen Shah? No, that's a minimum security Let's check. Where is Caitlyn? I'm shung in jail. Caitlyn. I wish I mean like you can't I'm murderer Can't be in a minimum security prison I don't think. - No, we have to protect Jinsha and Elizabeth Holmes because we can't put them in there with crazy-- - Murders, no. Okay, I have to go, but this has been-- - You don't like my story? - I did, I mean that's shocking, but anyway, the headline today is about the-- - All of the rules. - And don't fuck with the decor court. - Don't kill. - No. don't fuck with the Decker court I witness beauty is produced by Jonathan Corman and edited by A .J. 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