What Really Went on At the Rex Heuermann House?
Sep 08, 2023, 03:00 PM
In a recent episode of the podcast "Hidden Killers" hosted by Tony Brueski, the discussion with psychotherapist and author Shavaun Scott delved deep into the psyche of serial killers, and the societal dynamics that enable them to thrive undetected.
Scott shed light on the chilling case of former Suffolk County Police Chief James Burke, highlighting the toxic atmosphere he created where victims of sex workers felt unsafe coming forward due to his own involvement in the industry. This alarming scenario, Scott posits, sets the stage for more sinister individuals to exploit and abuse an already vulnerable segment of the population. “It's really atrocious… if the police won't listen to people like that, what does one do?” Scott mused. The duo touched on the challenges that arise when those expected to be protectors – in this case, law enforcement officials – become predators. A shift in the cultural framework of law enforcement, Scott asserted, is essential to protect disempowered individuals and to preempt further tragedies.
The conversation also delved into the troubling response of law enforcement when it comes to collaborating with external agencies. Scott cited instances where local officials, motivated by interdepartmental politics and ego clashes, rejected the assistance of the FBI in critical investigations. Such reluctance, Scott noted, allows criminals to slip through the cracks and perpetrate more crimes. A case in point being the Golden State Killer in California, whose killing spree across different jurisdictions was not immediately linked due to the lack of information sharing among local authorities. “We need to do a better job and we certainly need to include the FBI and everybody needs to get over their egos and work together,” Scott urged.
Another poignant moment in the podcast came when Brueski and Scott discussed the repercussions of an investigation on innocent family members. Brueski mentioned a recent case involving Rex Heuermann and Asa Ellerup, where, amidst the investigation, the couple's pets were taken to a kill shelter. While acknowledging the necessity of a thorough investigation, Scott emphasized the importance of a compassionate approach to minimize the collateral damage inflicted on the innocent. “We're all for justice, but let's have a heart at the same time,” Brueski concurred.
The conversation took a psychological turn as Brueski and Scott explored the mindset of serial killers, particularly their ability to compartmentalize their heinous actions and maintain a façade of normalcy. Scott suggested that while serial killers might be capable of conducting a life review and acknowledging their differences from others, they might not feel genuine remorse for their actions. Instead, they may exhibit a morbid intellectual curiosity and a desire for attention. Scott added that many serial killers might eventually stop their killing sprees as they age, but the fantasies and the attachment to their 'souvenirs' might persist.
On a closing note, the podcast addressed the difficulty in identifying potential serial killers among the general population. Despite common red flags in children, such as a fascination with death, sadistic violence, or torturing animals, it is challenging to pinpoint telltale signs in adults due to the prevalence of such interests in mainstream culture. Scott highlighted the need for vigilance towards cold, callous, and predatory individuals, even though these traits do not definitively indicate a serial killer.
The episode wrapped up with a sobering reminder of the hidden dangers lurking in society and the urgent need for systemic change and increased awareness to protect the most vulnerable. The discussion underscored the complexity of the issue, and the ongoing challenges faced in identifying and apprehending these 'hidden killers'.
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Scott shed light on the chilling case of former Suffolk County Police Chief James Burke, highlighting the toxic atmosphere he created where victims of sex workers felt unsafe coming forward due to his own involvement in the industry. This alarming scenario, Scott posits, sets the stage for more sinister individuals to exploit and abuse an already vulnerable segment of the population. “It's really atrocious… if the police won't listen to people like that, what does one do?” Scott mused. The duo touched on the challenges that arise when those expected to be protectors – in this case, law enforcement officials – become predators. A shift in the cultural framework of law enforcement, Scott asserted, is essential to protect disempowered individuals and to preempt further tragedies.
The conversation also delved into the troubling response of law enforcement when it comes to collaborating with external agencies. Scott cited instances where local officials, motivated by interdepartmental politics and ego clashes, rejected the assistance of the FBI in critical investigations. Such reluctance, Scott noted, allows criminals to slip through the cracks and perpetrate more crimes. A case in point being the Golden State Killer in California, whose killing spree across different jurisdictions was not immediately linked due to the lack of information sharing among local authorities. “We need to do a better job and we certainly need to include the FBI and everybody needs to get over their egos and work together,” Scott urged.
Another poignant moment in the podcast came when Brueski and Scott discussed the repercussions of an investigation on innocent family members. Brueski mentioned a recent case involving Rex Heuermann and Asa Ellerup, where, amidst the investigation, the couple's pets were taken to a kill shelter. While acknowledging the necessity of a thorough investigation, Scott emphasized the importance of a compassionate approach to minimize the collateral damage inflicted on the innocent. “We're all for justice, but let's have a heart at the same time,” Brueski concurred.
The conversation took a psychological turn as Brueski and Scott explored the mindset of serial killers, particularly their ability to compartmentalize their heinous actions and maintain a façade of normalcy. Scott suggested that while serial killers might be capable of conducting a life review and acknowledging their differences from others, they might not feel genuine remorse for their actions. Instead, they may exhibit a morbid intellectual curiosity and a desire for attention. Scott added that many serial killers might eventually stop their killing sprees as they age, but the fantasies and the attachment to their 'souvenirs' might persist.
On a closing note, the podcast addressed the difficulty in identifying potential serial killers among the general population. Despite common red flags in children, such as a fascination with death, sadistic violence, or torturing animals, it is challenging to pinpoint telltale signs in adults due to the prevalence of such interests in mainstream culture. Scott highlighted the need for vigilance towards cold, callous, and predatory individuals, even though these traits do not definitively indicate a serial killer.
The episode wrapped up with a sobering reminder of the hidden dangers lurking in society and the urgent need for systemic change and increased awareness to protect the most vulnerable. The discussion underscored the complexity of the issue, and the ongoing challenges faced in identifying and apprehending these 'hidden killers'.
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The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com