Conversation With a Psychopath About the Mind Of Rex Heuermann
Aug 31, 2023, 11:00 PM
In a gripping episode of the podcast "Hidden Killers," hosted by Tony Brueski, listeners were given an intimate look into the mind of a diagnosed psychopath. M.E. Thomas, author of Confessions of a Sociopath: A Lifespan Hiding in Plain Sight, discussed the complexities of living with this misunderstood personality disorder.
Tony Brueski begins by referencing Rex Heuermann, who, though unconfirmed, he speculates might be a sociopath or psychopath based on his behaviors. The primary discussion revolves around the art of mask-wearing, a metaphor for the sociopath's habit of presenting different personalities to different individuals.
“I'd imagine that must be exhausting, trying to compartmentalize things that way,” Brueski remarked, probing Thomas about the strain of living multiple realities.
Thomas revealed that the challenges of managing these “masks” varied over her life. During her younger years, where life was transient – moving from junior high to high school to college – it was more about reinvention. The real pressure mounted when she stepped into a stable career. One misstep, one moment of inconsistency in these masks could lead to significant consequences. Thomas noted, “It only became more difficult when I became a little bit more stable… there was more of a serious consequence, I guess, if I dropped the ball on something.”
She further elaborated on the toll of juggling these personas, saying that maintaining a career and long-term relationships became incredibly draining. "Being around people, talking to people was really draining," Thomas shared.
In a particularly candid moment, Thomas described how she navigated relationships. She explained that when she couldn't maintain the personality she had built with someone, she would typically abandon the relationship. "It wasn't a reflection on them really," she clarified, highlighting that the burden of living up to another's expectations while adapting to new situations was just too much.
Brueski then pivoted the conversation back to Rex Heuermann, asking Thomas to speculate on his mental state now that he's potentially been caught for crimes. Thomas, emphasizing that it's purely speculative, said that Heuermann might feel relief initially. He would be free from the taxing burden of pretending. Yet, as time moves on, she theorizes that he might begin to miss the intimacy and connection from his past life, saying, "Even people with personality disorders want an intimate connection with people."
When asked about regret, Thomas dissected the difference between regretting the crimes versus regretting getting caught. She opined that for someone like Heuermann, it might not be about sloppiness. "I don't think he would see it necessarily as sloppiness. He'd just be like that was just me taking more risks, but also getting more reward," she speculated.
The enlightening conversation on "Hidden Killers" provides a unique perspective into the minds of individuals who, by their very nature, live in the shadows of society. Through M.E. Thomas’s candid sharing, listeners gain a deeper understanding of sociopathy's intricacies and the continuous dance between revealing and concealing one’s true self.
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Tony Brueski begins by referencing Rex Heuermann, who, though unconfirmed, he speculates might be a sociopath or psychopath based on his behaviors. The primary discussion revolves around the art of mask-wearing, a metaphor for the sociopath's habit of presenting different personalities to different individuals.
“I'd imagine that must be exhausting, trying to compartmentalize things that way,” Brueski remarked, probing Thomas about the strain of living multiple realities.
Thomas revealed that the challenges of managing these “masks” varied over her life. During her younger years, where life was transient – moving from junior high to high school to college – it was more about reinvention. The real pressure mounted when she stepped into a stable career. One misstep, one moment of inconsistency in these masks could lead to significant consequences. Thomas noted, “It only became more difficult when I became a little bit more stable… there was more of a serious consequence, I guess, if I dropped the ball on something.”
She further elaborated on the toll of juggling these personas, saying that maintaining a career and long-term relationships became incredibly draining. "Being around people, talking to people was really draining," Thomas shared.
In a particularly candid moment, Thomas described how she navigated relationships. She explained that when she couldn't maintain the personality she had built with someone, she would typically abandon the relationship. "It wasn't a reflection on them really," she clarified, highlighting that the burden of living up to another's expectations while adapting to new situations was just too much.
Brueski then pivoted the conversation back to Rex Heuermann, asking Thomas to speculate on his mental state now that he's potentially been caught for crimes. Thomas, emphasizing that it's purely speculative, said that Heuermann might feel relief initially. He would be free from the taxing burden of pretending. Yet, as time moves on, she theorizes that he might begin to miss the intimacy and connection from his past life, saying, "Even people with personality disorders want an intimate connection with people."
When asked about regret, Thomas dissected the difference between regretting the crimes versus regretting getting caught. She opined that for someone like Heuermann, it might not be about sloppiness. "I don't think he would see it necessarily as sloppiness. He'd just be like that was just me taking more risks, but also getting more reward," she speculated.
The enlightening conversation on "Hidden Killers" provides a unique perspective into the minds of individuals who, by their very nature, live in the shadows of society. Through M.E. Thomas’s candid sharing, listeners gain a deeper understanding of sociopathy's intricacies and the continuous dance between revealing and concealing one’s true self.
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The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com