Will NEW DNA From Heuermann Lead To More Murders?
Episode 41, Aug 17, 2023, 03:00 PM
In a recent episode of the acclaimed podcast "Hidden Killers," hosted by Tony Brueski, a deep dive was taken into the ongoing investigations surrounding the infamous Rex Heuermann. With insights from retired FBI Special Agent and Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, Robin Dreeke, the episode examined the controversial push to obtain new DNA evidence from the suspect.
Heuermann, speculated to be the 'Long Island Serial Killer,' has been a figure of intense scrutiny for law enforcement. "We're talking about, uh, Rex Heuermann and the new DNA that, uh, is going to be revealed shortly," Brueski began, setting the tone for a riveting discussion. It was recently revealed that the defense had fought against the submission of a cheek swab, claiming that the case was not robust enough to warrant such a procedure.
Drawing parallels from his time in counterintelligence, Dreeke highlighted the complexities surrounding the escalation of intrusive techniques. "You always use the least intrusive technique you can first," he stated, emphasizing the beauty of the Constitution that guards civil liberties and privacy. To escalate investigative measures, "it has to be escalated with bolted techniques," Dreeke added. He discussed the intense scrutiny that goes into escalating to sophisticated DNA tests, indicating that the mere fact that the case had reached this stage meant that lower-level evidence had already been extensively explored.
However, even in the face of mounting evidence, Dreeke was mindful of the role of defense attorneys. "Again, we're going back to a great defense attorney doing his job. Fight everything tooth and nail," he remarked. This resilience from the defense makes it all the more intriguing as to the depth and breadth of evidence the prosecutors hold.
Tony, chiming in, mentioned the rigorous standards prosecutors adhere to, stating, "Prosecutors don't like having any gaps. They don't like anything but a hundred percent on everything." The pursuit of the cheek swab, in this context, is seen as an attempt to close potential gaps and solidify the case against Heuermann.
But what remains alarming is the extent of Heuermann's suspected crimes. Beyond the three murders he's currently linked with, there's speculation of his involvement in several more. The evidence, however, seems somewhat inconsistent. The use of burlap sacks in some murders and the gruesome state of other bodies — dismembered and missing parts — has led many to question whether Heuermann's methods evolved or if multiple culprits are at play.
Brueski posed a haunting question: "Is this a beach that just has a lot of bodies from a lot of different killers? Uh, or did Rex change his ways over time?" Dreeke responded with an insight into the psychology of serial killers, noting that once they find a method that provides gratification, it's rare for them to shift radically. However, the central behaviors he pinpointed were strangulation, positioning of the bodies, and a potential foot fetish indicated by missing shoes from the crime scenes.
Despite the perplexing nature of the evidence and the varied conjectures, both hosts agreed on the consistent pattern of missing items, particularly shoes. However, as Dreeke cautioned, much of this is still conjecture. The investigation is ongoing, and until a clear conclusion is reached, the mysteries surrounding the Long Island Serial Killer continue to captivate the world.
With the new DNA revelations on the horizon, all eyes are on the unfolding case, waiting for the puzzle pieces to fall into place finally.
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Heuermann, speculated to be the 'Long Island Serial Killer,' has been a figure of intense scrutiny for law enforcement. "We're talking about, uh, Rex Heuermann and the new DNA that, uh, is going to be revealed shortly," Brueski began, setting the tone for a riveting discussion. It was recently revealed that the defense had fought against the submission of a cheek swab, claiming that the case was not robust enough to warrant such a procedure.
Drawing parallels from his time in counterintelligence, Dreeke highlighted the complexities surrounding the escalation of intrusive techniques. "You always use the least intrusive technique you can first," he stated, emphasizing the beauty of the Constitution that guards civil liberties and privacy. To escalate investigative measures, "it has to be escalated with bolted techniques," Dreeke added. He discussed the intense scrutiny that goes into escalating to sophisticated DNA tests, indicating that the mere fact that the case had reached this stage meant that lower-level evidence had already been extensively explored.
However, even in the face of mounting evidence, Dreeke was mindful of the role of defense attorneys. "Again, we're going back to a great defense attorney doing his job. Fight everything tooth and nail," he remarked. This resilience from the defense makes it all the more intriguing as to the depth and breadth of evidence the prosecutors hold.
Tony, chiming in, mentioned the rigorous standards prosecutors adhere to, stating, "Prosecutors don't like having any gaps. They don't like anything but a hundred percent on everything." The pursuit of the cheek swab, in this context, is seen as an attempt to close potential gaps and solidify the case against Heuermann.
But what remains alarming is the extent of Heuermann's suspected crimes. Beyond the three murders he's currently linked with, there's speculation of his involvement in several more. The evidence, however, seems somewhat inconsistent. The use of burlap sacks in some murders and the gruesome state of other bodies — dismembered and missing parts — has led many to question whether Heuermann's methods evolved or if multiple culprits are at play.
Brueski posed a haunting question: "Is this a beach that just has a lot of bodies from a lot of different killers? Uh, or did Rex change his ways over time?" Dreeke responded with an insight into the psychology of serial killers, noting that once they find a method that provides gratification, it's rare for them to shift radically. However, the central behaviors he pinpointed were strangulation, positioning of the bodies, and a potential foot fetish indicated by missing shoes from the crime scenes.
Despite the perplexing nature of the evidence and the varied conjectures, both hosts agreed on the consistent pattern of missing items, particularly shoes. However, as Dreeke cautioned, much of this is still conjecture. The investigation is ongoing, and until a clear conclusion is reached, the mysteries surrounding the Long Island Serial Killer continue to captivate the world.
With the new DNA revelations on the horizon, all eyes are on the unfolding case, waiting for the puzzle pieces to fall into place finally.
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The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com