Dr. Clark -CASEN

Tue, Jan 24, 2023 2:44PM 1:03:15 SUMMARY KEYWORDS chris, children, social media, parents, people, bullying, caisson, conversation, students, taught, learning, support, kids, social emotional learning, important, home, online, find, casein, empower

Chris, welcome. And thanks for joining us. I am excited to talk with you and hear about your journey and how caisson came to be. Can you start off by introducing or can you start off by letting folks know who you are? 03:39 I am. Chris Clark, Jr. I'm like just just telling my name or just Yeah, 03:49 tell me a little bit about yourself. 03:51 Excuse me, Wendy. Yes. Well, we get started Can I just my name? Pardon. I want to change my name. You can change your name. Okay. I just didn't want him talking. And then in the middle of him talking it it it changes Thank you. 04:16 Chris, tell me a little bit about yourself. 04:20 Um, current like presently or just like I'm just I'm sorry, I'm trying to just let go I don't want to I don't want to over explain and

04:32 so how about this Chris, can you tell us how you thought about let me try this again. Can you share with us about caisson? What that is? 04:47 Jason stands for collaborative investment for social emotional needs. It's it's, we it's it's bringing education and social media together. And it's it's preparing today's kids how to properly be prepared for it. Do you want me to go into how we how we got started? 05:20 Yeah, so let me interject for one second. Yes. Chris. All the movement that you're doing your head is making your voice change. So can you just sit with your shoulders back in the chairstop leaning and, and take your time when you talk fast Your words don't sound clear. Sorry. So to show this I know you're nervous. That's why I'm telling you this. 05:45 It's okay. Chris and it says it's new right? So yeah, never met me my name is Wendy Nice to see you. And it does kind of feel strange sometimes just to be asked questions that you may ormay not be asked on the daily but you're going to do fantastic I know it thank you. So could you tell me why you wanted to create caisson 06:14 I wanted to carry on because I when I was coming up on social media, I struggled a lot and Istruggled a little bit socially too. And it all stems from not when kids go through what I went through when I was coming up 06:36 I love that I have Chris I have three boys myself and it's such a new world. I did not have social media when I was a kid and I think that probably made things easier for me. So I can only Icannot imagine you know just seeing what my kids are going through and then the studentsthat I support through learning Essentials, where that social media element comes in. And I think it's fantastic that you and your mom got together to develop this program to supportother kids other youth to really help make it easier for them to navigate this tricky part of socialmedia and being social and interacting. Can you tell me what do you remember when you firstwent to mom and was like Hey we need something I need something how did it come kind ofcome about that conversation? Um

07:35 From what I recall it was in the middle of my birthing year of college so like the spring I want toI want to say and after talking to my dad about what I possibly want him to come up with thathouse kids I went after cowboys I went to her and was like I just just presented my idea thetimes done who there was all the social media thing the weekends for Tommy's major sites andshe was on board from from the beginning. 08:14 I love that I love that what a great mama you have what do you think of it now? Now thatyou've kind of seen well first How long has case and been around? 08:27 We've been around five years but the last couple years would be like real formed plus or whereis that now 08:39 and how do people find out about casein and find out about you guys 08:48 they can learn more about it from from our website and you just had reach out to us throughthe website blue bow just been wearing now has been like a big orange slip just to be able todo different social media stuff or through LinkedIn that's been helping us get the right people 09:21 I think Isn't that always the best things come from word of mouth right? What are you mostproud of with caisson? 09:32 I'm one that we're still kind of around building this but also I've I've liked when we went to thecommunity and did different camps and and just it's coming. It's like kind of nice to be able to be on this side of the aisle instead of just being the kid 19 It sounds like sounds cool but just it'sit's a different it's a different approach 10:09

10:09 I love that that is awesome how do you see K Sen helping students 10:17 um a couple different ways one on a social media friend like just like once they go through usthat they know like they're better prepared for it then going kind of roughly in going ruffled bymy blind literally I did because I was like alright so my parents are is going to be all fine I'mhere with but I didn't realize that especially as I got older if I posted my opinion would be I willdeal with the critiques of it but but I think that we got your back kind of I want to take sometime to be kind of just preparing them for both also I kind of see it only Ed education thoseoccasions I just it could be like a good learning tool we don't none erode 11:20 Can you walk us through what you do at caisson? Like what, what would a student expect toexperience 11:32 they'll go through the wellness county first, which teaches them social media, mental health,that sort of stuff, they'll go through different levels of that. And then once they go throughmostly completing the levels and everything, though, wish to move on to our mobile app app,to kind of just that everything they were taught leads to to that and once they go off andthey're there as long as they feel as long as it passes and stuff upgrade then they're good to go. Then they'll actually be able to do these major major sites. platforms 12:28 do you have any questions for me? Is there anything that I should be asking you that I haven't?Um 12:41 I don't think we were the actual conversation that led that led to even us going to even geteven before I went to my mom that sort of thing. 12:58 Let's do it. Let's dive in. Tell me about that. 13:01

In Austin's from a conversation I will talk to dad maybe like a few days prior to talking to myloan buddy. Like we do between Medina we have like a couple of different conversations. He had asked me what I wish I had throwing up backing up kids say that's like just a young classthat's given the the I don't know the answer. And then after a couple days of just thinking aboutit without having that conversation like he's like listen again I said it'd be cool if there was asocial media platform that educated kids on how to profit via social media in that come kind ofsense from and then it also give them a safe space that also comes from when I was a teenagerand I was just so new to for me I was I would either add add people that I hardly knew or howshould never edit where I would post of that. I kind of just I was very loose was my couch whatever. And but my dad and his friends while I was at school or when I would get home mydad would be like, hey Chris peters out or his friends would be like hey, did you see workChristmas soon? I would get a text recall. I like was received from my dad like Hey, tell you this.I'm in like that for protection in that and like influence. How ferrum helped me get a better understanding on what to do on social media. And I kind of wanted that to be kind of that digital but like look very, very safe space, where the same time it'd be socially, but like aprotected version of social media. 15:07 That's fantastic. And there are so many kids that could benefit from that. And you're right interms of posting things, and not really kind of thinking, maybe through of who's gonna see this,or who am I letting on and, and kind of those questions. So I love that you were able to reflecton your experience, and to then turn that into a positive to say, You know what, let's guide andteach other kids so that they can be safe, and still have the experience of social media. Thank you. You're welcome. Mom, anything else you want me to add? 15:49 No, I just am very proud of Chris. And the one thing that I tell him, and that we think of hisjourney and his processes, I said, we were able to take paint, turn pain into passion, and paintinto purpose. So the challenges that he faced growing up on social media in particular. And we called it his father and his friends policed his account. And, you know, they did guide them and groom them until he became appropriate. And one of the things Chris left out was he said, thechildren may not have the village that I had, that taught me how to become appropriate. And I want to provide that safe space in that village for the kids that don't have a village. And when he said that, to me, that I was all in front of beginning, I had no clue as to how I was gonnacreate this app or what I was going to do. But one thing I'm certain about, is when my childrencome to me with something positive especially, and they want to do something I want to find a way. And that's what I did, we found a way to make this happen. And it's unbelievable that his thought came five years ago, you know, actually almost six years now, because it was in 2017.And it started from an idea and what I did, I said that wasn't enough to just create an app, Ididn't know how to get started with it. But I went to the literature, I went straight to Google, to see what the gap wasn't education. And as an educator myself, I said, it has to be more. And I found that social emotional learning was a deficit among children. So what I did was I did a deep dive into social emotional learning. And I wanted to come up with an idea that will bridgesocial media, with social emotional learning. And that's how casein came about. And casein stands for collaborative advancement for social and emotional needs. And so everything we do,brings back to social emotional learning to tie it and bridge the gap from what children arelearning in school, to their real lives at home.

18:30 Can you? How do you bridge that gap? How do we bridge the gap? Yes. 18:37 So I am super excited about the platform that we have taken. Because each one of our courses we sell, can I just tell you the evolution of case and first, yes, please. So the evolution of casein came from this idea that Chris had with building the app. So I was able to find a way to buildthe app through Google, just prayer in Google, and I developed something called a third partycompany, and to see if it had teeth or to see if it was anything, we met with the superintendentof special education in our school district, and they liked what we what we did, and gavefeedback on how we can improve them what they thought and so we did that like threedifferent times. And then, and that was in 2018 2019. We did outreach. We went into the community. We went to summer camp, we went to churches and started presenting how to dosocial media, right. And before we even went out, we were able to partner with the office of thePA, the PA Office of Attorney General's office. And they came out with us. And they taught the dangers of social media. And then we went behind them and told the children how to do social media appropriately. And then we have more places lined up for 2020. But then the pandemic happen. So during a pandemic, while we were home, I am online. I'm a professor and I teach online. So during this time, I created these courses for caisson online. And then that was 2020 and 2021, we were able to pilot them one was in done in a high school artistic support class,and one was on Zoom. So I just wanted to tell you the evolution, and then we hired appdevelopers to take it to a whole nother level. So that's where we are today. So we're ready, just about ready to launch. But these courses, how we bridge the gap between the classroom andhome, we do it through social media platforms that the kids are already using, for example, orsocial emotional development course, is taught through gaming. So we use the gamingplatform, so the lessons that they're learning are for social emotional learning. And it starts off in person, you know, like with you in a person, but then we tie it into gaming, when you'replaying video games, the same tools you need in person to communicate, you need to practiceonline, and then we go into identifying bullying patterns, even over the gaming console, andhow behaviors you may think is funny or something could be hurtful to someone else, evenonline. And that's how we we bridge the gap with that. And when you're teaching is self awareness and social awareness. Yes, it's important in person, but it's equally as important or not. 22:12 How does this look for different students? 22:16 Are, we think that this platform can work for anyone, but our primary focus is children with

Are, we think that this platform can work for anyone, but our primary focus is children with specialty needs are learning differences, because they're in a more vulnerable population. And I just know that even from some of Chris's experiences in school, when there's a powerimbalance, or children, socially, aren't as fast like Chris used to stutter. So if he was nervous, and he started stuttering, then children could talk over talk him, and then his point would getlost or something and that, that think that can help cause self esteem issues or, you know,problems with wanting to speak up because he didn't feel empowered. Therefore, we reallywant to help children like that, to find their voice, to feel proud and to realize they are equallyas important as someone else. And that's done by building them up finding their strengths,discovering their strengths, constantly talking and lifting them. 23:33 How is that done through your mission in case and in terms of continuing that empowerment ofstudents so that they feel more fulfilled and confident, outside of just reassuring them? 23:47 Because the lessons are built on self discovery? For example, if the teacher asked aboutdifferences, and like one of the lessons is based on differences, and not only how people lookdifferent, but we have different jobs, different careers, different things we're good at and oncethey look into the community and talk about the differences and everything, then we kind ofbring it in. So then they talk about what their differences are and what they're good at. Some people might be good at basketball, some might be good at drawing, some might be good atplaying an instrument. But what are you good at and and drilling home the point that neitherone is better than others just different. And one thing we got from Stacy Montgomery isdifferent is different and different is awesome. Different. Yeah. And so we encourage them tofocus on their abilities as opposed to other people focusing on Someone's disabilities, we, wewant to empower them for what they can do and what they can do. Well, 25:06 that's right. What are the courses? Done one on one? Or is this something that's done througha classroom setting within a school district? 25:19 Okay? Well, we have different platforms. So what we, this is open for anyone that deals with a group of children. So if it's a psychologist, if it's a social worker, if it's a counselor, and you havethree or four students, or someone who fits this category that you are looking for, to helpstrengthen them, or empower them, or even if it's just social skills, you know, sometimes theymay not have any other issues, but maybe they are socially they're lagging, or they need socialconfidence and things. So this is a way to help a shy child as well, to come out of their shell andto be in a community of the children. Everything is guided, these are guided lessons, each module is six guided lessons. And Now, granted, if the instructor or the facilitator needs more time than they can take it. If if their group needs more than 45 minutes to an hour for aparticular topic, then they have the freedom to do that. But we have it designed to be 45 minutes to an hour of instruction with the students.

26:42 Do we need to keep practicing the skills that are taught or would students lose them if we, ifthey don't continue to stay current? 26:51 I believe we always want to have them practice to stay current. And I think what makes us unique is that we will offer a parallel course for the parents. So the parents can learn what the children are learning. So they can further the conversation at home. So they can strengthen them. So they so they know what questions to ask them to further that conversation to keepbuilding them up and building the tools that they need. 27:24 That's such an important concept. I know with learning essentials, and the students that wesupport, we sent home lesson notes and keep that collaboration and conversation open. I know we're talking about two different things here. But in terms of educating and empowering theparents with what the student is doing, and really supporting that family system really doesbreed success. Where does bullying come into play? And how do you address this topic, youkind of mentioned bullying, but I just wanted to dive deeper? Well, 28:00 whenever you have a power imbalance, it presents the opportunity for bullying. So if a child is bigger than another child, it could be that if a child is quicker with the tongue, and a child isn'tas quick, it could be that it's whatever that makes the skill set different can allow for bullying.There are different platforms for bullying, there are different levels, you have physical bullying,where we all are aware of that where a child might hit or push or or do something physical to achild. But then you have social bullying, where a child may be isolated. You have a group ofchildren that are isolating a child, you have verbal bullying, where they teasing and talktaunting, and everything. And then more recently, you have the cyber bullying where thesekids are hiding behind these platforms. And unfortunately, the cyber bullying has caused a lotof anxiety, depression and mental health issues. And that's something Chris may be able tospeak to you on because this is another reason why we're passionate about this. Chris dealt with bullying over social media which led to anxiety and depression and I don't want any parentto have to go through this. And fortunately we're blessed because we have a very tight family tight knit family. And since Chris was a my daughter was little, I've always communicated with them. So from the time they were children, we had open dialogue and communication.Therefore it was easy for him to share some of his thoughts and expressions. And by no means do I think he shared a mall. But he shared enough that I was able to get him help.

30:07 Chris, do you have any tips for parents that may be listening on how to become that safespace, as your mom's talking about? 30:18 From like, from day one, have open conversations with your kids, especially about mentalhealth instead of just as soon as they they're struggling, just just talk, just just just hear him out. And just continue, even, even if they may have flat out, say they're struggling, maybe talk,maybe tell them that you're here to listen, even if they may want to talk about later, that sortof thing? 30:55 And what would you say to parents that may be worried that they don't have the right words, tohave that conversation or worried that they're going to say the wrong thing? 31:10 So definitely, maybe, like, will maybe look up the right? wording, but also just kind of go justkind of go with it. If you think like, it's just hard to think of how just also think of different waysto phrase it, but just a senator, it's your child, just just talk to them how you will, how you don'thave them, in the words will kind of provide themself 31:48 I love that that's the best. How do parents monitor or become that safe space? For kids,especially when it comes to cyber bullying? Because like you said, it's quiet, right? You'reonline, a parent may or may not be aware of it. So what could parents do to be a better have a better understanding of what's taking place? 32:15 Like by parents, definitely, every once in a while, they would check in and like, how are youdoing on functioning just have different grown up, we said, look, especially as my husband andI got older, we would have different conversations with them. Like they weren't all always on, on a case about him. But every once in a while, just be like, Hey, how's it going? Is it different?Having like real conversations like that? Is is is the thing why? Because like always, is the rightway to kind of go present. So. 32:57 Dr. Clark, do you have anything you want to add?

Dr. Clark, do you have anything you want to add? 32:59 Yes, I will say first, know your child. And when you're in tune with your child, you get red flags,you get signals you get your spidey senses go up, and you know something's not right. Even when they tell you, they're fine. And when that happens, keep, I think there's a fine line between pushing them. And pressing them, I think is a fine line. Because you don't want to push them to the point where they shut down in a retreat. But you want to continue to engage them. So they will feel comfortable to open up. And it may be that you tell them a story about you if you notice that they're not opening up. It might be that you tell a story to happen to youat work or something that happened to you when you were younger, or something you saw onthe news to kind of start the conversation. And then hopefully, that will give them a window ofopportunity to speak up and tell you how their day went. But one of the things that happened inour home, since our children were old enough to go to school, probably even preschool, wealways asked How was your day? And regardless, and if they said good, what does good mean?What made it good? And that's what we did. And I think that's important. I remember when myson was about nine, and my daughter is almost two years younger, and he asked mesomething that she did was inappropriate. Like I forget what it was. It was something to do withboys and girls, but I forget the actual conversation but she said oh Whoa, you can't say that toMommy, you know, you can't. And I paused her right there. I said, No, he can, he can say anything to me. And, and, and I promised my children that they could ask me or say anythingto me, and I will answer them, and not be upset. And we will have a discussion because I never wanted them to feel as though they couldn't come to me. And they had to go to friends for bad information, as opposed to coming to me for the truth. So my point for sharing that is, I think it's important to set that up when they're little. Because when they get older, you're going to want them to come to you. And if you haven't established that relationship, they're not going to feel comfortable. 35:50 In addition to Boolean, how do we teach the functional online skills, can you tell us more aboutthat, you know, in terms of how a selfie can tell a predator where you are, or what pictures topost, what not to post those kinds of things. 36:07 And that's actually what we do with our social media readiness course, that we do a deep diveinto privacy settings, turning off the settings, which will let people know where you are.Because if you do take a picture and those settings on one, even if you don't see them,someone can click on that photo, and get the demographics get where the location was, andtrack a child, it's very important that you don't put we tell children don't put your schoolinformation on there. Because if a predator has your name, and they know what school you goto, and I know what city you live in, then it's easy for them to come and track you and find you.And who knows what else they they are capable of doing. We think it's very important forchildren to know that their digital footprint, just like your fingerprint, people will always be ableto find, you know, and even with Snapchat, people think that they can post something and it goes away. But once you put something out there, it's there forever. And how many people who are famous how many entertainers and people posted things years ago. And it came back later. And they had to deal with the consequences of things they posted early on, and maybe they'veevolved. Maybe it was true at the time. And that's not how they feel now. But it doesn't matter, because it was out there. And people can spin it any way that they want. And I believe that we can all grow and evolve. And I think it's true for anyone that wants to write. But when certain things are out there, people can twist it any way that they want. And they can make somethingfrom 20 years ago, seem like it was yesterday, even if you've evolved from it.

38:22 Who makes the rules of social media. 38:26 I think the person with the loudest now. And the person with the greatest following because Ithink it just constantly changes and evolves. And that's that's where we come into play.Because if you're not taught the right skills, and you're not taught to be confident, and who youare and your ability, you can fall for anything. So the important thing I know social media is here to stay, it's not going anywhere. So rather than to prevent a child or try to keep a childfrom it, we say teach them how to do it appropriately, teach them how to do it, right. So theywill learn how to navigate because those skills can not only be on social media, but in real lifeas well. You know, and it's how to navigate life. You know, so we're teaching on these socialskills through social media, but those same skills are going to be applied to work and for life ingeneral. And if you have the reality of it is if you have a child with poor social skills, they growup to be adults with poor social skills. So a lot of times parents would do these things if theyknew themselves, but sometimes parents have. They don't know how to teach it because they don't have it themselves. Therefore, if they go through the course with their children, gaps intheir learning with this stuff, they will be empowered not only to help their children, but to helpother people as well, because now they have better tools. 40:15 Chris, what are some ways that you talk to kids talk to teens about improving their socialinteractions online? 40:31 Think wisely of who you're following. And kind of stick constantly the ones that you actuallymay know, compared to just, oh, just because so and so follows them, just follow them throughand just just go off of trust, kind of, kind of stick to what a you're either interested in? Or be? Orwho you know, that sort of that best? My biggest advice for him? 41:12 Dr. Clark, do you want to add anything to that?

41:14 I think, Chris is is spot on. I think the big thing is, especially when they're at their vulnerableage, like our age group that we pretty much target is like nine to 13. And when they'reimpressionable like that, it's extremely important to only befriend people want on it, you know,in person. And even when you're doing gaming consoles, and you're playing these games withother people, it's better to be in communities with your friends, you know, in real life, peoplewho you have, that you can put a face to, because even if someone tells you, their 10 year oldor not a nine year old, 12 year old, online, you don't know who you're dealing with, they can putan image of anybody on there, but a lot how many times as parents have we seen these showswhere these predators are coming after these kids and thinking they're meeting kids, andthey're really meeting with law enforcement, you know, because they were up to no good. So I think that's the biggest thing, especially when they're younger to drill that in that there are alot of dishonest people out there. 42:36 What are the top three things you want teens and students to remember, as they're navigatingsocial media and this to both of you guys. 42:46 My top three things are, as we said, to communicate with people you know, in real life. Set privacy settings on your device that don't allow people to know where you are, and make yourmake parents shouldn't make sure their children's accounts are private. So just not anyone can find them or get to them, that they have to be approved and accepted. And then also, your digital footprint, what you put out there is there to stay. Regardless if it's an app that tell youthings are going to disappear or not always assume someone's taken a screenshot and do notsay things to someone's online that you're not able to say to their face. 43:44 Chris, do you want to add anything 43:50 that I'm trying to think ahead of Hello, that. 43:57 Yeah, mom had a lot to say. Yeah, excellent point.

44:01 I'll add two things since there's no way it's safe, late to connect, connecting with the rightpeople. And it's take no just one more thing. Just take control of, of who or what you may interact with. As you get on, if someone's going to is, is out there, free for you or not, or theymay not be there free messages. That's my advice. 44:48 Sounds so true and excellent. What can students do if they're facing difficulties in the social media world? 44:59 One of the worse. 45:03 Yeah, I can't keep up with the question. More. That was 45:09 absolutely. What can students do if they're facing difficulties and the social media world andthey're not sure what to do? 45:20 Got some that's kind of help me is. I didn't learn this until very late. But But then, Pete, he breaks every once in a while from me, either in that moment, or I've taken weeks or months offfrom places. And that's, that's, that's how can you to been another thing that was actually bad.Turn off your note, turn off your notifications, or Wow, that's awesome. And then that's, that's another thing that's, that helped me. I wish I would have gotten that advice. sooner. But that's, those are best to the I can give I can give them 46:22 I think he did. He did well with with. With that. But the one thing I would like to add for forparents, if you see your child, every time you walk by they closed their device, or they don'twant you to see something or they don't use the computer, in your company or your phone.Like they're like you see them but when you walk by their lashes they're hiding? I would I wouldwant one to inquire why? What's going on? What is it that's coming on, and they don't want youto see an ad our someone's being mean to them, or that they're being bullied in some way. And they don't want you to know. So if you suspect bullying, I would say really tried to open updialogue, have that conversation started. If you don't think they're being forthcoming with you, like I said, Maybe tell them experience you had was something you heard on TV, to try to getthem to open up the conversation to start talking. Sometimes children don't want you to know things because they think they're protecting you. And this is something I went through with Chris. He was upset. And I'm trying to ask him question I would notice certain times he went in,tell me something he would tell his dad. And I said, Well, how come you didn't say that to me, I was home with you before. And he said, Oh, I didn't want you to worry, but didn't want you to get upset. And so I had to learn to say to him, it's not your job to protect me. It's my job to protect you. And then I will say things like I have big shoulders, I can handle it. You know, and I think that for me that was powerful. Because if I wasn't in tune with him, I would may not havediscovered that I may not have noticed that. And you know, I didn't want him to have to waitthree hours until his dad came home to say something that he held in all of that time. And because that can lead to again, anxiety and depression. So, if you do suspect it find out first if itreally is and in fact bullying, because it could be if it's an isolated thing. It could just be a kid being mean. If it's repeated behavior, then that's bullying. If it isn't that bullying, maybe youneed to get the guidance counselor involved, the teacher involved in sometimes things arecriminal, you might have to get the police involved. But don't be afraid to dig deeper and to seewhat resources you need to further this because to be honest with you, as parents, it doesn'tneed to just stop with us in most cases. Sometimes you can just help your child to strengthenthemselves and learn how to advocate for themselves but then there are other times when youreally need help getting someone else involved.

49:55 That leads me to the next question because we talked about top Three things that you wouldwant teens or students to remember, what are the top three things that you would say for aparent or professional. And I'm kind of leaning actually towards a professional in the event thata child is struggling, but may not have that strong, connected family unit that you describe thatyou have in your home. So what are some advice that we can give folks that are listening tobetter support students that may not be living in their home, or in their home? Either way, 50:36 I think the biggest thing that I can say, for me first, and that I like to bring awareness tochildren, and then for other professionals, is to identify a safe adult, that safe space, because ina perfect world, your safe space, and you're safe adults should be your parents. Unfortunately, that's not always the case. But everyone needs to know that they're supported. Everyone needs to know that they have a trusted adult that they can go to. So I think the important thingis for professionals to help children identify who that trusted adult is in their lives. And even if like my son's case, and my daughter's case, they know they can trust their parents. But we've also identified other people that they can go to, they have grandparents, they have aunts, anduncles, they have people that any event that my son or daughter in any moment felt that theycouldn't come to me with a topic. They have people that we trust that we've identified, thatthey can go to, and we feel confident that they will give them good advice. So I definitely thinkhelping children identify who the trusted adults are in their life, it could be a teacher, it couldbe a coach, it could be their pastor, it could be a neighbor, like just someone else, you know. 52:19

as we wind down, is there anything? I know I asked you this, Chris. But for as we kind of wrapup our conversation that I didn't know enough to ask that I should have asked. 52:39 That was some time as we broke down a lot, the bond kind of I don't? I don't? I don't know. Buddy. What do you think? 52:59 The one thing I would say, is there comes a time in your child's life. And I would think is most children, that the outside voices become louder in your voice, the influences of their peers,social media, it just becomes louder. And no matter what you say to them, to build them, theytend to not hear you and not value what you're saying the way that you want to be valued.Sounds like you can identify with it. But it's true. Yeah. And what I will say is keep hope alive. 53:59 Where there's life, 54:02 there's hope. You can always hope for better tomorrow. And this in particular is something that I dealt with Chris, he's intelligent, he's smart. He is one of the kindest souls that I know. He is one of the most loyal people that I know. And he has all of these great attributes, all these positive qualities. And he managed to find the one voice that said something negative. And that could take down his whole day. You have 100 people saying something positive, the one thatsays something negative, and it will change his whole demeanor. It will change everything about him. And it hurt me to the core because As he looked, he was lost in that so to the parents to the professionals essay when that happens, continue to still talk, continue to stilllove on them continue to still say everything and and hope for the day that it turns aroundbecause it does it starts to turn around. And I'm glad that now Chris's starting to hear my voice again. And I'm not being overshadowed by the negative voices or the the influences of theoutside world. Beautiful. 55:45 My final question. And, Chris, you can do it separate from your mom if you want. But I alwaysask at the end of the podcast, if you had a billboard with one tip for parents, what would it beand why? So I Chris, yours may be different than moms. Do you want to add your two cents? 56:07 him mine is just to listen. And the reason why I say that is my parents, even as they still just they still listen to me. Regardless, if I'm talking about just every day talking about talking about work. They've always just listened to it. She could give us sorry, no, no, no, sir. Over there. Oh, I love it.

56:41 I love it. I love it. Dr. Clark, do you have one? 56:45 Yes, again, I said it already. But where there's like, there's hope. You can always hope for a better tomorrow. 56:54 I am incredibly thankful for both of you sharing your time sharing your light, and guidance withus today, I got goosebumps. Just fantastic. It really warms my heart and the relationship, Chris,that you have with your parents is amazing. And I can only hope that my boys will say the same thing. If they had the opportunity to be on podcasts to say the same thing about what we do inour house. But I appreciate your time today. So thank you for joining us. 57:28 Thank you for having us. You bet. 57:31 Can we share our platforms? 57:32 Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah, so we're gonna cut out and we'll just fix that. Sorry, Josh. Josh is our editor. So yeah, so where can people find you? 57:44 Well, Chris, do you want to start and then I'll add on. 57:52 I'll give the business accounts, where it's and then all my personal stuff as well. Our, our, our business case of business, Instagram is casein underscore social underscore what one is, that's

,g , our Instagram. And they want to recap, either one of us. My Instagram is it's Flint. At Chris nickel two, that's my serum in hers, Instagram is adopted by Eva. You can they can, they caneither reach out to us through the business, Instagram where they can resolve our personallives. Either way, we'll be there to do that. 58:49 So our website is www dot casein llc.com The CTA, s e n llc.com. And we are on LinkedIn at case an LLC. Or you can follow me at my aver Clark on LinkedIn. And I am happy to say that ifyou go on to the website, you can cut on select Contact us and find us there. And if you go tothe library resources, we have some downloadables that can help them with this conversation.Because we have the ultimate guide to bullying. And we have how to manage social emotional learning. So these are two documents that could further support parents with the conversationthat we had today. And I am pleased to say that I have a book coming out is titled help. Support for parents of children with learning and thinking differences. is to feel confident, capable and fulfilled. In this book, I'm not coming from the perspective of an expert, I am coming from theperspective of a parent who had to navigate the IEP and a 504. So I'm very familiar with special education. And as an educator, that's what I did was a literature review, to further support theparents to give them the tools and the places that they could go to find further information onthe topics. And we'll put all 1:00:38 those links in the show notes. So fantastic. Thank you very much for sharing that. And thank you for reminding me. Got caught up in my feelings there. Have to ask the important step of where people can find you. So thank you. 1:00:53 Thank you. Appreciate this is off now. Right? I'm going to hit pause right now. Okay. Oh, hold on. You. 1:01:05 So Chris, can you tell us where people can find you on Instagram? 1:01:08 Yes, our Instagram is Jason, underscore, social, underscore, wellness. 1:01:16 Heysen, underscore social underscore wellness. And we're going to put that in the show notes. And that's for Instagram. Yep. Perfect. Dr. Clark, thanks for joining us. Can you give us an introduction of who you are and a little bit about how you strategize and support our variouslearners?

1:01:39 Hi, yes, thank you for having us, Wendy. I am a Respiratory Therapy clinician for over 30 years.And I went back to school and I have my PhD in higher education and leadership andadministration. And currently, I am a college professor. And I'm a mother of two and the wife of Chris Clark senior. But how this became a passion for me to help other children and parentsand support parents, is based on my journey as a parent, with my children. My son, Chris, who's with me today. This was all his ideas bareheaded from him because of his experiences asa child with the IEP in school and his journey through school and my daughter, she had her ownjourney with the 504 plan. So I have been immersed into the special education and I just wantto support parents, and I want to support children, to empower them to be their best and to justbe confident in who they are. 1:03:01 Thank we all want that. So I am excited to talk today and learn more and how we can better dothat for our parents and for our students. So thank you. You're welcome.