00:00.00 tduval18 Hello and thanks for tuning back in so we got some bad news and some good news. So starting with the bad news. Jovanda is not here today. So I'm solo dolo. But good news is we have our returning guest back Pat's back

00:20.23 Pat Hey what's up.

00:23.20 tduval18 So we're gonna be going over his new album which is actually released for tomorrow right on April Fourteen which is the release date but Devonda and I were special and we got to listen to the album before it was released.

00:32.83 Pat Yep yet.

00:42.92 tduval18 Because we're fancy.

00:46.42 Pat Ah, yeah, yeah, um, signowed to that too. Um April Fourteenth sals on my birthday just had to put out there. But um, yeah, we did that on purpose. But yeah I mean ah, aside from the fact that from the last time I was on the podcast. You know.

00:51.17 tduval18 At all that's foreign.

01:02.00 Pat It felt like it didn't really feel like an interview. It just felt like you know two middle school. Um, you know high school friends is catching up really and that's why I loved about it and had such a great time on the podcast last time I was just like you know what Tyler nashly youall deserve to check out the album before release. So why? the heck not, you know? so.

01:18.84 tduval18 Well thank you for that. I'm glad that we were special enough to listen to it but I'm going to be jumping all over the place because my notes are not I'm not the organized one I'm very chaotic but.

01:21.42 Pat Like.

01:24.98 Pat Absolutely.

01:37.10 tduval18 I Definitely wanted to start out with I Really liked this album a lot. Um I thought it was really really good and I don't know if this was your vibe but when I listened to it.

01:44.39 Pat Ah, thank you. Ashley.

01:53.96 Pat Plus.

01:54.35 tduval18 I Almost kind of felt like you were telling a story like a love Story journey if that makes sense so like beginning of it. You know, very like I love you and then jumping towards like the middle you left I'm sad.

02:00.72 Pat Yeah, yeah.

02:13.16 tduval18 But do you still think about me and then at your end 1 song you're like all I have left is me which I really liked that part so tell us about is that the vibe you were going for. Was it a story kind of feel.

02:30.20 Pat Um, yeah, really good question. Ah I was just like going for like what was feeling at the time you know and as Tyler said you know from the last podcast about like how Taylor Swift mentions how her albums are different seasons. You know. And this was just a season about you know, like just not even just like you know you know, sad love stuff. But you know like just my mental health in general. You know there were songs about my mental health with the haters in my life. Um overwhelmed with. Stuff that was going on with like you know is music worth chasing after like you know all these people hate my guts you know to like having like you know this girl hurting me and you know make me feel like I wasn't valued so there were a lot of factors that were put into this album you know and crazy. How. Like all those negative things that were going on in my life made me go like um the opposite effects happening where I'm like you know, um I remember a conversation. My best friend and I he was like Pat. Not everyone's driven like you and that was just like the inspiration behind the album like you know, just like. Despite all the bad things that are going on in my life. You know like you know, 3 out the obstacles so should never stop you from being you know driven to do what you're supposed to be doing like I remember a I remember a documentary I watched it was a Justin Timberlake documentary and he was saying that.

03:54.78 Pat I was supposed I'm doing the 1 thing that people told me I wasn't supposed to do and I was like bro j t I felt that to the core man I thought that man. So.

04:03.96 tduval18 I I love doesn imber like I think you fantastic, but um, now that you mentioned with the seasons. You know how like how? okay so Taylor sees the seasons some artists they see their albums in.

04:08.60 Pat That is my there. That's my guy but continue.

04:23.87 tduval18 Colors or shapes or numbers like I know 21 pilots I think they I'm not I don't listen to them too too much. But I think they had ah an album that was just like yellow or was it red or something. Do you have a vision with your albums like do you see.

04:34.72 Pat Yeah.

04:42.00 tduval18 Ah, certain things like do you see colors or numbers.

04:47.73 Pat Um, I definitely see like it's a certain season where I just feel like even though like a lot of songs were like on this album were like a lot darker than the best of me ep I see the season turning brighter because I feel like that was the point of the album to kind of have the album start off like you know where. Talking about the dark stuff and then move your way up to oh you know it's getting brighter. That's why I like know when you hear Driven. It's like the brightest song off the entire album in my opinion. So That's just like the way I see is just like a brighter Season. You could say you know just like it's it goes dark and then sorry what you saying.

05:10.29 tduval18 Um, you know.

05:15.87 tduval18 Um, and I Oh no, no go ahead.

05:24.68 Pat I was just gonna say that it feels like the point I was trying to make for this album is make it feel like there's a light at the end of the tunnel. That's why you know it's like these songs can start off pretty dark but as you reach towards the end of the album you're like. Oh There is a light at the end of the tunnel kind of a thing if that makes sense what I'm trying to say.

05:41.44 tduval18 No dude that makes that really makes sense because honestly, that's the vibe I was getting like how I mentioned like I felt like a story that you were telling kind of like from the beginning you know you're in. Love you break up, You're upset and then at the end you're like all at like I have me like that's it.

05:58.92 Pat Yeah, wow.

06:00.77 tduval18 But and I do notice it's like Hea upbeat to like I was getting a lot of 90 s techno vibe I got a lot of techno vibe off of this album which which I really like.

06:12.40 Pat My god um, the beginning song. Yeah, the beginning song every dream like you know screams it in my opinion, the beginning song it screams technoly like you know in the beginning of the album I was definitely trying to make an album that was out of my comfort zone really cause like. I've done the whole acoustic pop thing I've done the whole like you know, ah like like just straight pop records and everything like that I feel like that's the job I'm an artist. You know you're supposed to like you know, change it up every time you know and it's crazy enough though. Even though my new album comes out tomorrow. Already have no songs for the next album and I already you know what kind of album I want to make so which is the crazy I won't give any spoilers but I know that you and Tyler would I'll definitely reach out to you I'll be like hey I got another album you want to hear Ed before it comes out.

06:57.86 tduval18 Always and that kind of you kind of answered my question also of because we had all talked about how artists kind of change their sound over time like with different albums so you kind of answer that already I was going to ask if you feel. That your sound is changing you know from your first album to this new album.

07:22.70 Pat I feel like yeah I mean ah the very first ep I was just fresh out of a band and I was like this like you know discovering you know myself like trying to find my sound. You could say you know and I feel like you have to make different sounds of music in order to find like you know. But that's a part of the journey you know and looking back at my not even just like my very first ep but like you know back when I was in the back when I started in face day back when I was in a pop punk band transitioning from a poppunk band to my current full length album now is just like It's one of those things like you know you just look back on it and you're just like wow I mean like I never thought I was gonna make solo pop music I'll be honest Ashley I never thought that I always thought that you know the guys and I we would you know stick together we would become like the next all time low and we would like continue making pop punk music. But you know.

08:03.55 tduval18 You.

08:17.16 Pat Everything happens for a reason we all, you know have our own music journey and I know that in the end like you know it's gonna be all right and I'm gonna be making you know music that I'm passionate about and stand by it. So.

08:27.24 tduval18 I Love that I Love your passion behind your music and with that being said with you being in the band. How? Okay with you being a solo artist versus being in the band. So since being a solo artist a lot of all of your creative ideas All of the songs are just on your shoulders. How how is that different between like Solo versus band is it harder Would you say or is it easier because you work better alone.

08:58.40 Pat Um, in the beginning I'd say that it would been harder because like I wasn't confident um in myself and you know you know this Ashley we did go to kenwood after all, you know people will suck but like people Ken would suck and and I'm just like thinking how like.

09:10.45 tduval18 Um, if you do.

09:15.12 Pat Ah, around the time too I mean like I will come on like I was only 16 seventeen years old you know I didn't know what the heck I was doing you know and at the time you know, making that type of music you know? Ah, but I feel like back then yeah I needed.

09:21.79 tduval18 Over here.

09:32.91 Pat 3 other guys with me because I didn't have the confidence to write music on my own but it wasn't until that you know when the when the group broke up and you know one of the guys was telling me you know you're not meant to write music for Yourself. You know your mentor be. You're a band Guy. You're meant to write music for us and that. Right? There was like I wouldn't say is the thing that sparked the idea of me going off my own but it's the truth. You know? Ah so when I was like so when the group broke up and I started writing music for myself I felt like you know what I want to say easier or harder I'll know it's.. It's hard for me to describe it you know because like I think like I think it's easier on the creative side of things. But I think it gets harder when it comes to like the part of like you know, promoting everything by yourself and at least like from my experience like you know when I had 3 other guys with me. You know when it came to. Um, splitting time for studio time or splitting time for ticket sales and everything like that at least I knew I had 3 other guys with me and if we um if we messed up we all messed up if we all did great. We All did great. You know it was like us. You know we had each other but when you're by yourself and.

10:46.56 Pat Never gonna forget my first solo show at the record and it was like when the record just reopened record 2.0 and ah you know I remember my first time going on stage as a solo artist at the record and I'm just like oh my gosh this is freaking awesome. You know I was like I felt like this was the first time i.

10:50.76 tduval18 No.

11:06.10 Pat Could officially say I accomplished it a lot more as a solo artist than I ever did in a group So a lot of those things like you know stand um like a lot of stuff just makes me go like man like it's crazy to look at that music journey as you said, but long story short I'm going on and on but like it just. I wouldn't say like yeah I mean creative wise like it is easier when it comes to like you know, not having 3 other guys with you to say Oh I don't like the way how that sounds or I don't like the way how like this is played that kind of thing at least this way. It's like yeah. I Have full control to say Yeah, this is the type of music I Want to make this is the type of music I stand By. You know if you guys don't like it. You know like go fuck yourselves kind of a thing so that's way how I see it.

11:52.10 tduval18 I can see that I feel like I mean I've never been in a band or anything but I feel like it would almost be harder to be in a band for me because I feel like I'm kind of like a people pleaser. So if I were to say an idea. And nobody liked it. I don't feel like I would be the type to try to fight for it. So I feel like being a solo artist. It's it is just you you can do and say whatever you want and in the end of the day. It's.

12:14.84 Pat Yeah.

12:29.16 tduval18 It's all up to you So I feel like definitely being a solo artist would would be easier in that aspect.

12:35.57 Pat It's also I will say this too about being a solars because I feel like any music journey you have has its ups and downs. But I feel like also its a solar artist. There's a lot more pressure that goes on to it. You know there's a lot more pressure that goes on to it. You know, selling tickets by yourself paying studio time by yourself. You know ordering merch by yourself. A lot of that you know when you at least when you have 3 other guys. It's like easier when it comes to the business side of things but in the ends I feel like it's a lot more rewarding because I'm looking back. You know thinking like how like yeah I mean I had 2 failed um you know eps. Before best in me and then I came out with best in me and then you know I started to become known in the Baltimore music scene and then all of a sudden like you can't just like you know say that you know you can't just make a full length album. You know, like right like you know without. All the other stuff you know like when people are saying like we want more new music. We want more new music and I'm like what are you guys talking about it just came out with this ep best to me. You guys want new music and I'm like wow that's amazing is like the best feeling ever you know thinking like oh people actually care that you do want to buy your tickets. They want to buy immerse. They want more new music.

13:29.20 tduval18 By home.

13:41.99 Pat You know, a lot of that stuff is like you. We don't really like think about that until you're like oh Wow like this is amazing like I want to keep want to keep at it. You know so.

13:48.94 tduval18 Hey, yeah, getting that uplifting feeling and it's just like all positive. Everybody wants to hear your stuff and then and then yeah going back to driven like that it drives you to want to produce more and you know better yourself. But actually being speaking of that I noticed your vocals in this album were really really pretty. They were like they were really really Clean. So I just wanted to you know.

14:18.58 Pat Ah, that you ask.

14:24.13 tduval18 Say I really appreciated your your vocals they they did they did they sounded super good and also for who was number 3 why on the song why I really liked how you had the.

14:28.40 Pat Ah, thank you.

14:38.93 Pat Oh my god.

14:43.82 tduval18 Intent instruments like I don't know if instruments is really the word I'm looking for but during the chorus how it was just super intense I Really? yeah yeah.

14:49.82 Pat Yeah.

14:56.89 Pat You mean like the cinematic feeling hey the cinematic fear. Yeah, yeah, so um, fun story about the song why it's actually 1 of my favorite songs off the album well like ah so.

15:09.87 Pat So after I released my second ep aberration I was already writing you know music for my third ep that never released called simple clarity and one of those songs was called y but you know I never finished that ep because you know. A lot of haters were getting to me and it would make me have that feeling of like you know quitting music because like a lot of haters were saying stuff like you know, no one likes you no one likes your music you know where are you going with your music. No where yeah, like you know and saying stuff about this like you know Pat thinks he's so.

15:31.64 tduval18 Why people are all.

15:42.88 Pat You know, famous because of this or he you know and I was like waiting like you I was just like having like this intense like you know, like heavy like dark weight now going like when is this paint ever going to go away and and it went to a point where I was just like thinking like wow I mean I know we had a conversation about this with Tyler the last time I was. On the podcast talking about how you know when you're you know when you are doing something like music like you should be. You know, getting exposed like you know like you should be seen professionally you should be getting paid for us and then around that time my second ep aberration I wasn't feeling like. Was accomplishing anything in music as well. You know I wasn't doing shows I didn't have merch I didn't yeah I wasn't playing out of state I wasn't doing any of that stuff. So yeah, sorry if ah if my voice gets emotional just makes me thinking about that. It's like a really tough time for me. Well ah when i. Was working on my third ep well my unreleased ep simple clarity. Not only the haters were you know getting to me but it was also the recording process of the ep was you know a lot slower than the first 2 eps like I felt like no work was getting done and I was just like you know what. I had to take a break from music you know 2019 like ah 2019 was like a really tough year for me, it was ah you know I was posting a lot of depressing stuff on Facebook and it was like nothing but depressing stuff after depressing stuff after that. It's just like making me go like.

16:58.78 tduval18 Who.

17:14.41 Pat I'm not going anywhere with the music a lot of people hate me a lot of people are like saying this about me so I had to take a break from music to focus on my mental health and then you know like ah when Twenty Twenty hit the pandemic hit and everything like that it kind of like woke me up and go like shit you know. What have I accomplished in the music scene I haven't accomplished anything you know so I was just like okay I told myself that if the day when we're allowed to get out. You know of quarantine I told myself I was going to go back into the studio and then they like do it the right way make sure like I will never take anything for granted ever again. But anyways. Um, that long story right? there back to the song. Why so there was a song off that unreleased ep called why and this is an amazing thing. How like makes me go like holy crap I really do have fans who support me like well someone who. Um, is a phantom um, you know someone who's a fan reached out to me and was like I love your song. Why and I was like what what are you talking about like that song was never released like how did you find that song. It was a unleased song and then she was just going on and on going like you know I you should? um.

18:19.40 tduval18 Of you.

18:26.80 Pat You should rerecord it. You should put it on your album is why on your new album and then I was like you know what? this is what I mean by I actually do have fans who care about me who so I was just like you know what? Okay I'm gonna add y to the album so I went to the new Studio rerecorded the song and you know I Mean. Made me go like Holy Crap. This is so much different from the original version. So Everything happens for a reason I feel like if simple clarity was never you know shelved I never would have like you know like had never had like you know would have been able to rerecord why and have it out for streaming platforms for everyone to hear. So. For you to talk about that Song. That's like you know that song says a lot to me really so because I wrote that song back in 2014 So for me to have that song like on stream. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that's that's the story behind why in this album? Well not the actual song song but the story behind like you know how it got into the album.

19:09.99 tduval18 Oh wow.

19:22.58 Pat So.

19:24.87 tduval18 That's that's really cool I love it when songs have deep meaning like that and it's awful at the time but sometimes you know you need to kind of hit rock bottom to really boost yourself up.

19:28.69 Pat Yeah.

19:39.18 Pat Exactly Yeah I mean like.

19:42.50 tduval18 Um, but no, this is probably 1 of my favorite albums that you that you did.

19:47.57 Pat Ah, thank you Ashley now like I feel like we needed this and this feels like ah like the last podcast was like very very fun and catching up this this conversation just got very very serious just by talking about how yeah but this is the part of you know this is the reason like why we're like you know. We were talking about this album? Um, you know driven because like the journey for this album was not the easiest. There were a lot of people who you know like were really close with me who've shunned me from their lives who were you know. And there's a song off the album that says a lot about the song lost from that album.

20:26.28 tduval18 The song lost. Oh oh what? that the last one. Oh the the last one can you hear me.

20:29.81 Pat Are you still there. Ashley I lost you for a bit as no, no it was in the middle it was right after the song room yeah can hear you? Yeah yaki here you can hear me. Yeah, you yeah.

20:41.29 tduval18 Sorry about that sometimes my internet bad I can sorry my internet goes bad sometimes.

20:51.83 Pat It's Good. It's good. Yeah, there was a song after memories a song called loss that talks about you know everything that we were just discussing about the haters and everything like that. How I was having a lot of people who were really really close to me once I thought we would have like the strong you know, bon and then you know. Easily just shun me from their lives. It was like you know one of those type of songs you know and I had to write about it I had to you know and it had to be on the Album. So.

21:18.86 tduval18 That was at like that was my favorite song out of all of them I That's the yeah I loved the piano um is that the one that has the piano.

21:22.28 Pat Really.

21:36.45 tduval18 I I Really and like I said before your voice is really really pretty. So with the piano and just the rhythm of it. The lyrics hit different and.

21:37.26 Pat Yep, yeah, the Solo Piano song.

21:54.50 tduval18 I don't know I that was my favorite song I think and then I also really liked who was number 4 number 4 driven I've driven was actually my second I really like it one a lot honestly, that's the piano. The way you're voicing the piano go. It's just it just works.

22:05.94 Pat Ah, thank.

22:12.69 Pat Yeah.

22:13.34 tduval18 And driven. It's just like happy. It's uplifting the vibe. The vibe is just there.

22:21.85 Pat Yeah, well, um, when I recorded lost it was like when the songs like where this has never happened to me ever in the studio. It was the first time I felt like breaking down in the vocal booth. Because like when I when you're when you're in the studio you get excited. You know you're just like oh my god a song I wrote is like coming to life. You actually get to hear it actually come to life but this was one of those songs like where I was legit. You know feeling like ah breaking down the vocal booth because I couldn't stop thinking about. All the people who I was close with people who I never thought you know would you know shun me from their lives like you know, did you know and it was like it was a hard time it really was a hard time and I felt like if I didn't put it on the album I would just be lying about how I felt during that time and driven being the most uplifting song from the album you know. Yeah I wanted people to um, like listen to that to that song going like you know what? like you know, despite all the things are going on in my life. You know what'll you know I will get there I don't know how but you know I will get to where I am like you know I just got to have faith in it and like you know, just keep believing and know. That's why when people listen to this album I want them to feel like despite you know because this is the thing about driven is' like like I know if you could it like you know if you this was the vibes you're getting when you're listening to the album but me as the artist like this is just like how I one it's like you know my audience would feel about it like.

23:49.67 Pat You can't just have every song be so uplifting saying yeah I'll chase after means my dreams I'll chase after because it's just so unrealistic. It's so unrealistic I feel like you have you have to say you have to write songs about hitting Rock Bottom You have to sing about how someone hurts you and broke your heart. You have to have you have to write about like no the people who've.

23:55.26 tduval18 Okay.

24:08.73 Pat Betray it and shun you you have to write that stuff because otherwise it's like oh yeah I mean like you know, Yeah, you're just writing a song. You know you can't you can't be drivenpping without you know, like you said you gotta hit rock bottom in order to get back and back on top. You know so that's where that's why I want you know people to listen to this out to this album like that's why I want them to take from that.

24:13.77 tduval18 Boom.

24:28.19 Pat You know so.

24:30.60 tduval18 Well I was definitely getting that vibe for sure if that's the vibe you were going for and another thing too for um, empty highway that when I was listening to it for some reason it just took me back to high school cause.

24:33.55 Pat Yeah.

24:47.28 tduval18 Back in the day when gas wasn't dollars we would We would all just drive around listening to music and then going back to like having a lot of techno stuff in that there was like that little breakdown kind of if you will the breakdown.

24:50.86 Pat I Know right.

25:05.40 tduval18 But yeah, it was yeah but yeah, just gave me that vibe of like as soon as I listen to it I'm like damn this takes me back to driving around you know 16 17 Li Blair Music just like in that in that good head space.

25:05.57 Pat Um, oh my God to know right.

25:20.86 Pat Right? Yeah I mean ah, empty highways. Actually my favorite song off the album actually gave you and Tyler a shout out on the last podcast I did when I was performing that um song well because I mentioned. Um, mentioned you and Tyler from the last podcast interview I did talking about how a podcast the podcast we did previously you know relating to a topic that we were talking about in the last um you know podcast. But anyways total side down to that. But yeah, um, empty highway is my personal favorite off the album and it's just a song about like you know, just ah. Whenever I would get anxiety whether whatever situation it is you know I would go on night drives because of just like it's just therapeutic. It's just therapy you know and I would just like go on night drives and just think about how like now when um, when I have trouble sleeping you know sometimes like just. Driving on that empty highway you know, just like thinking about like the stuff that's going on it just like helps like you know it just helps me you know and just like driving around just like think about that stuff you know like everyone's got their own therapeutic ways of doing it but just like driving around you know, just with the music um playing and everything like that. I don't know why just like helped me on so much you know so and like you said you know back when I don't do this much anymore. But like you said back when gas was cheaper. That's what good. Yeah.

26:35.68 tduval18 Right? No but I really yeah I felt that I felt that empty highway song actually I've I've related a lot to a lot of these songs it just it was super uplifting and and and again with the 90 S vibe you know I love the 90 s and the vibe was there. It was and then for the first the very first song that I'm not afraid when I listened to that my instant thought was I can totally see like you playing it live and you know.

26:56.57 Pat I did ten I do too. Yeah.

27:08.35 Pat Yeah.

27:14.25 tduval18 Because lighters aren't a thing anywhere and people just wave their phones kind of back and forth I Hope when you play that I hope I hope they do that way. What.

27:15.65 Pat Yeah, that's funny. You say that happened 5 that actually happens live so that's how funny you say that because like what I know it.

27:28.41 tduval18 I Hope they do it to that song because that's the vibe.

27:35.40 Pat Yeah I do that live. Um you know? Ah so one of the things I did I'm never gonna forget this. This was like 1 of the record shows I did I think it was September of last year I remember I played that song live I'm not afraid and I was just giving the speech about like how. You know people had their lighters up and I was giving a speech about how no matter like you know how many haters come your way never be afraid to be you and then the crowd just immediately had that response and starts. Um, you know cheering and everything like that I mean it makes me go like wow I did something you know that you know I touched. You know the audience by saying that you know and that's the best feeling ever knowing that you've touched the audience in a way that you know you never thought possible and it makes you go like wow I mean like this is why you know this is why I do what I do this is why I'm a performer you know because I want to have people like you know. Feel a certain way about I want them to feel uplifted and make them feel like it's okay, you know it's okay like every like whatever you're going through. It's gonna be all right? You know so.

28:33.49 tduval18 Is that your like what's your favorite. What's the best show you've ever done I should say like that you feel like with like you totally wronged it or is that hard to say.

28:43.60 Pat Um, best know, ah all right talking about like any um, all my shows in general or just as a solo artist.

28:53.98 tduval18 It could be whatever you want like. Overall.

28:58.44 Pat Okay, okay, overall um, probably I would have to say the record show of September of last year maybe because that was like the biggest like you know audience I've ever performed it I mean in front of you know it was like my biggest audience ever sold like. I mean I've outsold a vos sold the amount that tickets I sold you know for tomorrow's album release show so tomorrow might be the best show in my life ever I don't know yet, you know it hasn't happened yet but like I hope it is not I'm not going to jinx and so knocking on wood but ah.

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29:31.40 tduval18 Put it in the Universe stay universelessness.

29:33.90 Pat I'd have to say September of last year yeah I'd have to say September of last year because it was my biggest audience ever and you know it was like the best time you know, seeing all these people from different. You know, phases of my life. You know people who have supported me from the best of me ep people who have been around since my band days. You know it's just like cool to see different. You know audience of people you know and it's it's the it's the best feeling ever you know and another one that tops that in my opinion another one that tops that would have to be um, let's see maybe has to be my very first show ever the 8 by 10 would face a day.

29:57.90 tduval18 Cooking.

30:12.92 Pat You know that was probably like 1 of my favorite shows ever and the reason for that was because you know when you're 17 and you're you know, granted this was at the 8 by 10 club and this was a school night this was on on a Wednesday you know when you're 17 and you are you know, having all these. Kids from kenwood come out to see you despite it being a school night and you know you have all these kids coming out you and you're hearing everyone screaming out loud and singing along to your song. You know you feel like ah for a seventeen year old like that's the best feeling ever. You're like oh my gosh like you know.

30:33.47 tduval18 Her.

30:50.17 Pat That feeling never goes away and it makes you go like man I want to continue doing this want to continue doing this so when the group broke up and I was ah like trying to do things on my own as a solo artist and you know being overwhelmed with like oh I'm just doing open mics I'm you know, not the record wasn't around the record was closed around that time. You know, a lot of venues were closed around that time and everything like that you make you appreciate it a lot more now versus when you were younger because you never know when it's gonna go away. You know you never think about that stuff when you're 17 you're just thinking oh isn't it fun to you know.

31:25.42 tduval18 In her.

31:27.45 Pat Play with three other guys and have all these classmates. You know you got them saying you never think about that when you're when you're in high school. You just think oh this is really fun. You know you never think you never think of the end you could you say you know you know you never think about the end of it.

31:30.17 tduval18 Right.

31:42.94 tduval18 Set with that show that you played the the show that you played that had the most people do do you find yourself getting more nervous if you look out, you're like Holy fuck like there's a shit toned people right now like more than I'm used to.

31:45.42 Pat So I feel like this time I feel what's up. Yeah.

32:03.45 Pat I feel that way every show to be honest. Ah I think um, it just comes with like the more experience you get? You know you just become more used to it but I do get those nerves I think this time around I I'm a lot more nervous about tomorrow. Because it's my headlining album ma release show because I was talking about this on um I was talking about this on a podcast interview I did with mouth full of graffiti shout out to Brad Cox so when I ah when I did the mouth full of graffiti podcast. Ah I was talking about a bunch of local artists that I looked up to. You know back in the day and I I remember back in high school I would see ah the local record bands. They would talk. You know they would have their they would have their Cd release shows. You know at the record on Friday Friday Saturday nights I remember thinking like wow how cool would it be to. Have that same crowd. How cool would that be to have a Cd release show. You know how cool will it be to like now feel like feel that you know for one night and everything like that you know and ah it it really inspired me, especially someone that we went to high school with wasn't a popular um local. Ban at the time you remember Josh I won't say his last name you know for podcast reasons but he was in a band called you know, yeah, storm to beaches. Yeah.

33:16.35 tduval18 Yes, yeah, yeah I know you're talking about I don't remember the band but I remember it wasn't the ban.

33:29.78 Pat Remember my former bandmates and I we would see Josh's band storm beaches a lot back in high school and when they had the sold out wrecker um cd release show back in 2010 I thought oh my god this is the coolest thing ever like you know how cool would it be to have a um headlining cd release show you know. So it was that high school memory that made me go like oh my god like I want to have this someday you know I want to have this someday. So the fact that no my headlining cd release show is tomorrow. It makes me go like my 17 year old self right now would be. You know off. Would be off the roof right now you know.

34:08.87 tduval18 Yeah, you, that's it's so exciting and yeah, it's so cool that it's on your birthday like that's so sick like you're celebrating like this big milestone of having your release party and it's your birthday like yeah, the vibes I can only but it's everything.

34:17.59 Pat Um I am.

34:25.38 Pat On top of that too.

34:29.30 tduval18 It's gonna be so fantastic and I wish I could go because honestly the wrecker I've never been to a bad show like it's always it's so it's just amazing like the record's amazing. This album's amazing like it's gonna be fantastic.

34:43.25 Pat Love it and well also to add on with you saying not only it's my record on you know, album release show. Not only it's my birthday but it's also my music video as well. So ah, someone who I've worked with.

34:56.92 tduval18 Oh.

35:01.50 Pat Yeah, we went all out with this one? Yeah so um, a buddy of mine who actually took pictures for my sophomore ep aberration Ian Bell like so we've been ah you know we've been working together ever since you know my sophomore ep. And you know I've always wanted I've always loved working video with him. He's done my music video for best in me. Um, and this this goodbye so I hit him up again and I was like hey Ian you know this is my album release and my birthday you know we need to go all out so we're like let's make a concert music video out for this. So. Anyone who's listening to this podcast right now like now. Well actually you'll be you know? Well I take that back because like the show would be um, already done by them but like you know guys check out that music video when it comes out for real for that way but on top of that too not just a music.

35:46.30 tduval18 Um, do that is so stay.

35:52.20 Pat Not only just a music video though we are also having a mini documentary right? after the album right after the album comes out because it feels like a time capsule because yeah, yeah, busy, busy. Yeah, so we're doing a ah.

35:57.67 tduval18 Holy shit, you're gonna be busy.

36:08.45 Pat Mini documentary right? after the album comes down too because when Ian and I started filming this mini documentary so it was ah so it was during the time of promoting the best to me ep and it was still during weird times. It was like during like late 2021 so it was still kind of like still kind of weird times but not so weird times at the same time you know so it's and also on top of that too I was still promoting the best of me ep so not that many people like you know knew about me at the time in the music scene I was still rebranding myself and everything like that. So it's. Fun to it's crazy to think about it's like a time capsule seeing how you start from playing smaller crowds to like you know playing you know a headlining at the record with like a lot of people and everything like that. That's the cool thing about this mini documentary. You're literally seeing the evolution of the album you know process you know from you know. Making ah having a photo shoot of the I'm not afraid single to you know like recording the album in the actual studio to like seeing all my shows that I've done and everything like that. It's a really cool mini documentary and it was something that I've always wanted to do especially with the album and title driven. It just like if. Felt so so right to have a documentary along with the album cause like we've been talking about and this whole podcast so far it is a story it is um you know it is a journey and it feels like you know, very very special to have this album be documented. You know.

37:42.94 Pat Talking about my story saying what needs to be heard saying like yeah I mean like I'm human too and I went through all these obstacles to get to where I am now. So that's why I feel like a documentary was like you know much needed for this album So that's how I feel about it. But.

37:56.70 tduval18 I I love music documentaries like I remember like back in high school I was a middle school I don't remember but a lot of bands were doing that like I remember simple plan did theirs I think it what was like.

38:12.69 Pat Um, yeah, well is are you talking about their second album. The still not getting any album.

38:16.83 tduval18 I I think so because it was like ah a package for you or something it was called and it it was something along those lines of that. But anyway it was ah it was like a documentary behind the the process of making the album like different different clips.

38:35.70 Pat Oh my god.

38:36.90 tduval18 And those are always so so much fun to watch because like you get to see them like a band that you just see behind the scenes and see their their different sides because people that plight one stage. Sometimes like they act completely different non on stage not saying. That's a bad thing but like you could just see like the different personalities in the documentary and then when my chemical romance came out with theirs like the life on the murder scene. Um, but I music documentaries are so sick.

38:55.88 Pat As.

39:12.76 Pat Ah, yeah, and you bring up a good point too. You bring up a very good point about like having 2 different personalities because like um like something that I struggle with is like I sometimes as much as I love like where I'm going with the music scene. I do sometimes feel like I have an identity crisis sometimes it's like sometimes it's like there's um, Pat Runney the musician and then there's Patrick alsidon the person and sometimes like I get into this like you know, sometimes like I feel like people like value. The musician more than the person or people forget about like the person like does that make sense. What I'm trying to say you know because that's where yeah and I sometimes get nice in crisis.

39:49.33 tduval18 Um, no yeah I see I Yeah and it's It's also crazy to.

40:01.20 tduval18 It's it's also crazy too when like like how you were mentioning like this person and that person like the lead singer from crownly empire crowned the empire and Andy his. It's so crazy how he actually acts.

40:15.28 Pat Yeah.

40:18.83 tduval18 On stage versus in person because on stage he's like like crazy outgoing and just like bouncing all over the place and then when you see him in person like yeah, he's cool and he talks but it's just like it's really crazy like you could just see. He's just more to himself I guess I mean I've only met him once like so I don't know him like that. But like that was the first thing I noticed I was like wow that's just so crazy how you have like a stage personality versus offstage.

40:49.20 Pat Um, and statement.

40:54.82 Pat I'm the same way to be honest and people like are surprised like when they see me like at my shows and they're like you're like you're so confident so like energetic and everything like that. But then offstage I'm like you know, just more laid back and just chilled and everything like that you know it's weird but like not, it's. Ah, different feeling when you're on stage because when you're on stage and you're performing in front of all those people you feel like you're on top of the world like and when you're off stage. It's just like what is life right now like sometimes like I come back from a show and I get into really big funk because I'm just like.

41:20.81 tduval18 Um, right.

41:27.32 Pat Damn like I just played in front of all these people and now I'm just like on back to just I'm back to just my regular life right Now. It's Crazy. You know, but that's like you know what? you know it's It's so Weird. It's just so weird. But you know it makes me more. Dedicated to my music now more than ever when I see people like who come out to support me and new faces every time you know it makes me go like man I deserve that blue check without having to pay $14 a month just like everybody else like okay side note to that. But that's like my biggest pet peat right now.

41:55.60 tduval18 Um, a poem break and then.

41:59.56 Pat As my biggest pet peeve right now is like why did Instagram had to had that feature of $14 a month for a blue check it destroys the purpose. It destroys the purpose of like the point the purpose of the blue check was like showing you're a public known figure.

42:06.82 tduval18 That's so stupid Dude I Totally agree with you I think it's still done.

42:16.99 tduval18 Um, right, it was just my of my poem I agree I do I think it's stupid saying you I think that is so.

42:18.23 Pat You know and now it's like oh you can you can again I know it's so stupid now I'm just like now it makes me not want a blue check hey look every time I'm on your podcast. We have to talk. We still have to talk pet peeves. Okay. Even when Tyler's not here. We still got to talk pet peeves. Okay like um every time an a one every time an as somer video pops up I immediately think about you too mid joke.

42:39.86 tduval18 That's a pet peeve I Totally agree I think it's silly.

42:51.46 tduval18 Worse of absolute worse I Really hate it. We were just talking about. Um yeah is like I don't know people are weird or I don't do we talk about it last time where people just eat like not even.

42:56.67 Pat But videos of people chewing. Ah.

43:04.48 Pat Will begin.

43:08.47 tduval18 With like the speaker like they straight up. We'll just set their camera up and just eat like have you seen Wolf like who to watch somebody eat that's disgusting.

43:15.14 Pat Um, yeah, so to say no but I know what you I didn't know.

43:22.72 Pat I I New pet beve though. New pet beve that I have them right now I think it's because like I've been working out to prep for tomorrow show and everything like that but New pet peeve I have is a gym pet peeve where okay, they're like you know when I'm at the gym track. You know there's the Run. There's the one. Run Um, jog and walking okay and this old man is always walking on the running side. Okay, new Pet Pe was just like yo like you're about to get run over like and you see me running everything like that and I always got to go to the other side because this old man is still walking on the running side. It literally says run right in front of you.

44:00.47 tduval18 I would hate that shit too I would as it should because if there's direction Follow follow. Follow the directions I don't even know if I.

44:01.25 Pat Like why are I don't I don't know Ashley I don't know it's just like it bothers. It drives me fucking insane drives me insane.

44:15.69 Pat Exactly so that's really pet. Be new pet be right there? What about you Ashley got need.

44:18.43 tduval18 Um, any new one I think the one I most pressed one I don't know if had any new ones but the only one that I'm like super pressed about that pisses me off is when people don't return their shopping cart like back either putting it back.

44:36.70 Pat Um, yeah I can see an out feet. Yeah.

44:37.40 tduval18 Or putting it in a little cart thing that I absolutely I Absolutely hate that That's I I want to punch the person who just like leaves it and it takes up a parkin spot. So either it takes off a parking spot or they just leave it in the middle. But then you have those people.

44:53.93 Pat Um, eight.

44:56.66 tduval18 That say like oh well somebody cleans the carts or somebody picks the carts up. It's like set their job to go through the entire parking lot. Their job is to go to where the cart station is and and get the carts stop being lazy.

45:04.69 Pat Um, it's so.

45:13.67 Pat It's just so rude, you know so ah Tyler when you're hearing this though I mean like you know like you messaged me your new like you know, message me a pet fe tyler because like you know I just love talking pet Pes with y all I just love it ever since you allll talked about asmr videos I just like.

45:23.29 tduval18 I Know she has a lot of. Those are the worst I will never watch them. You watch those do? what do you watch? those? Yeah,, don't lie. Okay.

45:31.61 Pat Oh my god I remember the last time was on and then she was talking what what as a mars no, but they pop up they pop up on my insta and I um, you know I send it to my friend to troll my friend a lot of times. So just because I told my friend of that they just keep popping up but I just mute them and send it to my friend and she gets so mad every time. Oh speaking of my friend shout out to 1 of my fans from Montana so I remember the last ah podcast I did with you and Tyler. Ah, when she was asking my favorite Jonas brother and then she screams justice for Kevin well one of my fans for Montana she's actually a Kevin girl so just got putting out there. There are Kevin fan role. Yeah, there are Kevin fans out in the world. y'all.

46:13.27 tduval18 Oh I'm I'm glad my'm boys getting some recognition I'm glad oh you know what? and just she is always about that man like justice for Kevin.

46:23.30 Pat Yeah I know I know Tyler said Justins performance.

46:31.83 tduval18 It's funny.

46:33.64 Pat Exact yeah I I know Tyler couldn um, be here. So I just had to mention that that yeah I like there's one of my fans from Montana is a Kevin girl. So I put out there.

46:41.46 tduval18 I Know she'll appreciate that she will very much appreciate that my last one that I just thought about a pet The a lot of people have been doing it lately. But when people call me Bestie I don't know if you've seen that it's like.

46:48.28 Pat I Know right.

47:00.30 Pat Um, homeless go and.

47:00.72 tduval18 Like Bestie Can you grab me a soda or hey bestie. Do you I don't know just I don't know why that just makes me cringe. But do you know what? I'm talking about people do that now.

47:08.44 Pat That is weirdre. That's weird exactly because it's like we're not Bessie's what you talking about I feel that.

47:17.73 tduval18 Like please don't It's not me being rude about it like it's just something about it like hey Bestie can you pass me that pen like I guess there's a lot of thing my cringe.

47:32.00 Pat It's weird. It's weird because is like no, we're not these I know but it's it's weird. It's like we're not besties what you talking about? you know I feel you on that.

47:39.16 tduval18 Just stop who well is there anything else you want to promote for yourself I know this is going to air after your album release but is there anything you else.

47:55.63 Pat Um, nothing really? um, no nothing real I just want to say a personal. Thank you to you know, not only to you and Tyler. But you know I want to thank everyone who's.

47:56.28 tduval18 Yeah, before we chat.

48:09.80 Pat Invited me to their podcast promote my music I Want to thank everyone who's been streaming my music buying my merch you know buying tickets to my shows. Everything like that. You know it's like your love and support is the reason like why I continue to do music and even though this is like a lot more of a serious interview versus like you know. The last time I was on your podcast like you know it just shows like the like you know hey I'm human too. You know it just shows like yeah I mean like I just want I Just want people to um, you know to feel inspired when they hear this album you know and I wouldn't be making music if it wasn't for people supporting me so generally.

48:33.28 tduval18 And who.

48:47.99 Pat Thank you for the bottom of my heart and I hope you guys. Um, you know, enjoy my new album driven that comes out April fourteenth tomorrow so

48:52.89 tduval18 And also your birthday which is so cool.

48:58.80 Pat Oh my god I forgot my birthday. Holy crap. Thank you Ashley thank you oh my god so and thank you Ashley thank you.

49:02.62 tduval18 Oh absolutely Well I'll be definitely checking in tomorrow.

49:11.93 tduval18 All right y'all? Well we are signing off Pat thank you so much for coming I'm excited to actually go on Spotify and listen to your whole album through good luck tomorrow. It's going to be super awesome I I am excited to see that documentary because like I said.

49:26.21 Pat Thanks.

49:31.40 tduval18 I Really do like music documentaries I think they're awesome. So I'm excited to see that I'm excited to see the music video I'm just so excited for you tomorrow. It's gonna be awesome. But yeah, thank you for coming back one All right.

49:40.13 Pat Thank you Adam Absolutely and you know if you ever want to a fuck you know so see you.

49:49.93 tduval18 All right bye.