Kathleen Martin: Welcome to Kathleen Can Do It, the DIY podcast celebrating the fun and fails of doing it yourself. I'm Kathleen Martin.

Kathleen Heaney: I'm Kathleen Heaney.

Kathleen Martin: We're just two Kathleen's trying to make their world a little less ugly with great design.

Kathleen Heaney: Indeed we are. In this episode, we are discussing peel and stick tiles for beginners. I guess if this were a college class, it would be like peel and stick 101. Right?

Kathleen Martin: Super fun. I'm signing up.

Kathleen Heaney: So out of the two of us, Kathleen, you really have expert level knowledge much more than I do about peel and stick tiles or peel and stick products in general. Where is it in your house because it's beautiful?

Kathleen Martin: So fun.

Kathleen Heaney: I know that you have it in your house. I'm over here like, "Oh, do you have it in your house?" I know you have it in your house. Tell us a little bit about your experience.

Kathleen Martin: Okay. So I have an old crusty bathroom that I'm-

Kathleen Heaney: I like the word, crusty.

Kathleen Martin: It had so much pee around the toilet that I couldn't get up.

Kathleen Heaney: Oh god.

Kathleen Martin: The toilet was facing the bathtub. It was a whole thing.

Kathleen Heaney: A good attribute to bread, not so much to bathrooms.

Kathleen Martin: Crust.

Kathleen Heaney: Yes.

Kathleen Martin: No, you don't want crust in the bathroom. So doing this DIY renovation, not ready for the full thing. Actually went out and bought real tile and realized not ready for it. We needed... My fiance Brian and I. So I say we, I want to give him some credit but I'm going to try to say I just to...

Kathleen Heaney: He deserves credit. But listen, this is your podcast not his.

Kathleen Martin: Okay. I did it all. So needed something that was temporary because it's in phases, right?

Kathleen Heaney: Yeah.

Kathleen Martin: I think a lot of DIY and lot of home renovation is kind of part one, part two. So needed something that was going to last, look really great and was cheap because I didn't want to do this process twice with something very expensive. So I got the standard peel and stick that you would think about. It has a cardboardy kind of structure.

Kathleen Heaney: Yeah. Like a little thicker meant to use on the floor.

Kathleen Martin: Right. Meant to use on the floor a little bit thicker but huge point to it, it's thin enough that you can use scissors. So if you have a good pair of scissors, you are cutting it to whatever size you need with the scissors that you already have in your house, so it's not a problem.

Kathleen Heaney: So the childproof scissors, you think I could cut through peel and stick floor with childproof scissors?

Kathleen Martin: No. I think you need a standard kitchen scissor and you're going to be good. Use this tile just like we would normal tile, pulled everything out, took out the toilet, took out the sink and put it down and it went in super easily. Looks great. I'm happy to say because sometimes when you are doing a DIY and you're giving advice and if you've just done it, you don't know if it's going to work or how it's going to last.

Kathleen Heaney: Which I think a lot of DIY YouTubers are like... They're like, "Let me watch other DIY YouTube videos on this subject and then I'll fill my own." But you really do, especially when it comes to a product that's not supposed to be a forever product, like peel and stick. You don't know how it's going to be a year later if you're somebody who doesn't have experience with that.

Kathleen Martin: I don't want to recommend something that's going to be garbage in two weeks because we've all been there. We tried something we saw on YouTube. We put it down, it was great and then it didn't last. And then you're doing the project again and it's really annoying. So it's been like, I would say a little over a year and not a single tile has lifted. So it's easy. Let's talk about the steps because I didn't really explain it. So you get a pack and the ones we got were super affordable. They were about a dollar a quarter, a square foot. So if you mess one up or if you have to buy a little extra, it's not breaking the bank.

Kathleen Heaney: No. I mean a dollar square foot too. When you think about it, anything under $2, as long as you're not replacing the floor for a whole ballroom, it's going to be budget friendly. But it does always shock me when I figure out the square footage of something that I need to replace and I'm like, "Wow, that is a lot more square footage than I thought it was going to be. Like showers, shower floors, I'm like, "Oh, you go with the expensive flooring for a shower." And then I'm like, "When you do the math you're like, "Oh, that's a $500 shower floor." That's crazy. I understand zero math and square footage just makes my brain explode. I always find a website to plug in the numbers. Every time I need to figure out square footage.

Kathleen Martin: 400. That seems way odd.

Kathleen Heaney: I know, right?

Kathleen Martin: Or it's like 10,000. I'm like, "Okay." Meanwhile this bathroom is as big as my butt.

Kathleen Heaney: It's not your primary bath, but-

Kathleen Martin: It's very small. Every time I go in there I slam my butt on the doorknob and I have no butt. So it's saying a lot. It's very tiny.

Kathleen Heaney: I don't know if I've ever used the toilet in your house, but I'm glad that I haven't because there would be no room for me to get by.

Kathleen Martin: This is totally unrelated, but I encourage you to use the toilet in my house because I have a heated bidet. Off topic.

Kathleen Heaney: I know.

Kathleen Martin: Life changing. You'll never use the bathroom anywhere else. You will hold it so that you can just have your butt cradled in the warmth of a bidet with a heated seat.

Kathleen Heaney: You've been pushing bidet life on me for a while now and I am interested in it. I am also though terrified that... I know bidets are easy to install and you can do it yourself, but I live in a condo and what if I don't do it right myself and all of a sudden my building has filled up and it's because the lady in 30C was like, "I would like a warm tush experience during my morning poop."

Kathleen Martin: You can do it. I encourage everyone and anyone to get a bidet, but I'm off topic. Okay, so you get the packs, you buy a little of extra always. And this is a tiling tip for anyone. It doesn't matter if you're using real or peel and stick. Figure out where you're laying that first line because it's not on the edge. Why? Because you want... So in the doorway you want it centered on the door. You want to work actually center outwards. So ran the first line of tiles going down centered. So visually it looks good.

Kathleen Heaney: I get it. So when someone is standing in front of your bathroom, an open door, whatever, you're like, "Okay, where's their eye going to hit first to see the product in its full beauty?"

Kathleen Martin: Yeah. Because if you start off to the side, you might end up having a weird half tile in a very obvious spot. So you want to have the cuts where they're more on the outside.

Kathleen Heaney: Excellent tip. I feel like that is something that not a lot of people when they're starting a project like this, not... People who are getting started in the DIY world like my husband for instance, if you ask them to lay, peel and stick floor anywhere, he would start in the corner because he's like a mathematics guy.

Kathleen Martin: It makes sense. You have flat edges and you want to line it up. But then you could end up with a very weird cut somewhere in the center.

Kathleen Heaney: Oh, I get that.

Kathleen Martin: It sticks. It has a backer. You peel it off, you lay it down. I didn't have the vanity in. I had the luxury of doing it without.

Kathleen Heaney: Oh, brag.

Kathleen Martin: I know.

Kathleen Heaney: Your toilet and your vanity wasn't in when you were laying your peel and stick. That's the whole-

Kathleen Martin: No, the toilet was in.

Kathleen Heaney: Oh the toilet was in. But that's the hard part. Right?

Kathleen Martin: So that is the hard part. So here's the tip. So for this type of tile, which is thin and cuttable with scissors, you need to make little templates. So the brand I use and actually really enjoyed and would definitely recommend is called wall pops. So I think they started out. They offer wallpaper and other products, but they've expanded for peel and stick and a little bit of everything it seems like at this point.

Kathleen Heaney: Oh, cool. I also bought the same wall pops that you have on the floor in your bathroom for my utility room. I haven't laid them yet, but I've done some practicing with them in my regular bathroom to just see the texture. See when I put it down, can I pull it back up? How forgiving is it going to be? And it's a pretty forgiving product.

Kathleen Martin: What you need to do is get... I use computer paper. You can get brown paper, whatever you have. Wrapping paper is actually good because it's very thin and moldable. And make some templates. Try to figure out the curve of the toilet, fold the paper up into that curve, trace it. And then once you have the paper template correct then go onto your peel and stick tile, trace it, cut it and fit it in. It's always better. I mess up all the time. But always better. Try to get that template right before you're messing up the tile. But at a dollar or so square foot, it's not the end of the world. And there were a few times where I did have to be like, "Ugh, mess this up. Let me just try it again." And as you're going you gain a little bit more confidence, a little bit more understanding of how the product works and you're able to get those little tricky areas easier.

Kathleen Heaney: I am a brown paper template human.

Kathleen Martin: It's handy.

Kathleen Heaney: It's what I use for everything. I once built a vanity out of cardboard because I didn't trust that my measurements were right. Templates are my thing.

Kathleen Martin: No, I do the opposite. See I buy things. I don't measure the space. It comes in, it's too big. And I go crap.

Kathleen Heaney: Crap. So if you are thinking about using peel and stick tile, this is for you if, I don't know if you're a renter.

Kathleen Martin: Yeah. I think this is a good option if you're a renter, if you have a really ugly tile that you're just trying to easily cover up.

Kathleen Heaney: Like dying to cover up. It ruins your day every time you have to look at your bathroom floor,

Kathleen Martin: There's vomit when you look at it. I would say it's best for a floor that is flat. If your tile has a lot of bevel or edges to it,. Not the best choice because you might-

Kathleen Heaney: You're going to get peeling.

Kathleen Martin: Yeah. It might pop up. It's not going to lay flat. I laid mine on subfloor, so just a piece of plywood. So I knew I was going to just have a really good adhesion.

Kathleen Heaney: You laid yours on ideal conditions. So you peeled up, you broke up the tile. That was there before the crusty tile.

Kathleen Martin: Yes. So disgusting.

Kathleen Heaney: And then you put down a new subfloor.

Kathleen Martin: Yes, which that was a whole thing.

Kathleen Heaney: But if you're not in the business of putting down new subfloors or you can't pull up the tile because you're a renter, so many people have a lot of success using these products if you are only going to stay in the city you're in for three years and you just want something that looks nice when your guests come over that's not going to break the bank. I've seen a lot of renter YouTubers do it and when they peel it up, there's little to no residue underneath. You haven't peeled yours up, but I've been periodically peeling up my peel and stick testers in the bathroom. There's no residue underneath. Just some everyday cleaner would peel up that stickiness or olive oil or whatever.

Kathleen Martin: I will say it hasn't pulled up. So that's been good. So if you want it, if you want to last, it's been about a year and a half, let's talk about any downsides. So our bathroom door catches a little bit and very, very subtly on one of them where the door is actively rubbing every single time you open it. Little bit of wear there, but that's my own fault.

Kathleen Heaney: Wow. And that's wall pops.

Kathleen Martin: But every other area, normal wear like normal walking. You're not dragging wood on it. It's been fine. No corners have lifted. And I will say I did not do any cooking or ceiling or anything to it. And sometimes I'm a messy shower-er and want the kids outside. You know when your shower curtain peel, like it's curving in, it won't lay flat in the corner?

Kathleen Heaney: Yeah. I've hit it with the hair dryer before to like-

Kathleen Martin: That's so annoying.

Kathleen Heaney: I know. And it never lays flat sometimes, I know.

Kathleen Martin: So I'm dripping water down frequently and nothing's happened there.

Kathleen Heaney: And you peel and stick floor is totally fine.

Kathleen Martin: Totally fine. I will say depending on your pattern, pay attention to orientation and the way the tiles line up because that's something that can mess you up. If you could accidentally install it and you've rotated it and maybe the pattern is getting it messed up. I did that a few times. I didn't know. It was weird. It was supposed to line up up no matter which way you put it. But for whatever reason, if it's not printed 100% correctly. There was a direction that just worked better. And for the areas I messed up because I'm over the top, I took a tiny paintbrush with black paint and touched up like a little-

Kathleen Heaney: Oh my god.

Kathleen Martin: I think I spaced it too far.

Kathleen Heaney: This is what you and I are friends because I paint my walls with a tiny little paintbrush.

Kathleen Martin: It's one of those things where the time seems like the most important detail ever.

Kathleen Heaney: I know.

Kathleen Martin: And then later you're just like, no one is noticing.

Kathleen Heaney: No one. Why did I bother? So you just laid them flat next to each other. No caulk. I've seen people you caulk. You caulk around the toilet where the tiles touch the toilet.

Kathleen Martin: Are you kidding me? Nothing.

Kathleen Heaney: Nothing.

Kathleen Martin: Nothing.

Kathleen Heaney: And it's totally held up.

Kathleen Martin: Totally fine.

Kathleen Heaney: You've had water on the floor.

Kathleen Martin: Water. You can mop it, Clorox it.

Kathleen Heaney: Dang. Now, another option that I've been looking into for my bathrooms is that they do make for beginners like peel and stick 101 for floors or any type of tile. Back slash tile or wall tile in a room in your house or in a guest bath or whatever. They make stickers. I've had a lot of luck. I really like this company called chasing paper because they do more of an industrial sticker for larger tiles and then you can put them down and then grout. I swear they look like it's a tile that you've had there the whole time. It is a little bit of a thicker product. And if you're really looking for a waterproof peel and stick tile shaped tile, Amazon at sea. I know DIY bloggers, they love making their bathrooms look like it's a handcrafted Moroccan tile with tile stickers and they lay some fresh grout and it really looks amazing. Kathleen, we were just looking at, Chris loves Julia blog before we started recording and she did her little girl's bathroom.

Kathleen Martin: Yeah, it was great.

Kathleen Heaney: Right?

Kathleen Martin: The tile before was disgusting.

Kathleen Heaney: The tile before was that '90s.

Kathleen Martin: Super rustic.

Kathleen Heaney: Rustic natural stone.

Kathleen Martin: Distressed.

Kathleen Heaney: Beige.

Kathleen Martin: Bad.

Kathleen Heaney: 12 by 12 square tile. I don't know. Why would anybody put a rustic distressed tile?

Kathleen Martin: On the ground.

Kathleen Heaney: On ground anywhere. Because it's got to be a natural stone.

Kathleen Martin: And the bathroom is just collecting.

Kathleen Heaney: Yes, it has all these little grooves in it, like little holes, these porous holes.

Kathleen Martin: Gross.

Kathleen Heaney: God, if you had that in your bathroom with your wet showers, do you not try your body before you get out of the shower?

Kathleen Martin: So the spilling is happening as I shower.

Kathleen Heaney: It's coming out.

Kathleen Martin: It' leaking because of the curled shower curtain.

Kathleen Heaney: Yeah. Okay.

Kathleen Martin: Our tub is disgusting. Actively moldy.

Kathleen Heaney: Yeah, of course. If you haven't lived with an actively moldy tub or shower at some point in your life and you haven't really cared, are you human?

Kathleen Martin: Why do you live like this? My nephew was thinking a door of our home and peeled back the shower curtain. I was like no.

Kathleen Heaney: No.

Kathleen Martin: It's like for animals.

Kathleen Heaney: I know. I have to. The thing is that when you need to replace caulking and stuff that's moldy in a shower, you have to pull everything out and then apply new product and then you have to not shower for 72 hours or something.

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Kathleen Heaney: I have no place else to go.

Kathleen Martin: Organize my life around this caulk.

Kathleen Heaney: I have seen people do full... With the peel and stick tile that you can use on the wall. The stuff is made from PVC piping and there are a variety of different qualities you can get. But the really cheap stuff I've seen people put it on their walls in their bathroom where their tub is and they say that it holds up fine, totally fine.

Kathleen Martin: That's surprising to me. That would make me nervous. Not a lot makes me nervous. That would make nervous.

Kathleen Heaney: Really?

Kathleen Martin: Just the waterproof quality of that. I would be more inclined something like the thinner sticker type as opposed to something that has more depth.

Kathleen Heaney: Depth.

Kathleen Martin: But it's definitely a great option. I was thinking for the sticker one you were mentioning, my sister has a large kitchen with shiny white tile that looks horrible no matter what. She has triplets. So when they're little, food everywhere. You have to mop it every day. And she was looking into the sticker type as just a budget friendly option because it doesn't matter what your budget is when it's big enough, It really adds up even if you find something more inexpensive. And this was pre... So she wants to renovate, but she's not ready. Same with my bathroom. I want to put in the real tile. I'm not ready. So how can I make this filthy disgusting tile look good in the meantime? So I think there's a lot of phases, right?

Kathleen Heaney: Yeah.

Kathleen Martin: Phase one, she's thinking sticker and then she'll rip it out eventually and put in the real things. It's a good temporary solution or a forever solution. But it can be that bandaid renovation.

Kathleen Heaney: I love the idea of using a sticker over a tile that you really don't like and then using some sort of polyacrylic over it to really seal the edges, get the whole tile, then regrow everything. And then it's really like you have new tile. It is really basic for anybody who just wants like a refresh, right?

Kathleen Martin: Right.

Kathleen Heaney: It's like just changing your underwear, give yourself a refresh.

Kathleen Martin: It's good because sometimes you could really hate a space and you feel like I can't afford that bigger renovation and putting in something affordable could just truly make you happy every single day when you look at it.

Kathleen Heaney: Who really cares how good it looks in person? As long as it looks good in your Instagram photos. All you need is scissors or a box cutter or whatever. I would love to see a show on HGTV where it was just called peel and stick and it was weird places where people use peel and stick tile.

Kathleen Martin: What's a place that you wouldn't necessarily think of for peel and stick tile?

Kathleen Heaney: Okay. Speaking of moldy showers, in my moldy shower, I've got one of those shower pans. Just the full plastic piece instead of individual tiles that you put at the bottom of your shower. It's definitely build or grade. I think that whomever was the first purchaser of my apartment, they got to choose some of the fixtures and the options that went in here. I think it was a rental property. So everything is really basic. I'm a blonde sometimes. My tips right now, not my roots. And I use purple shampoo. And what I hate about my shower pan is that, A, it's chipping. It's 20 years old. B, it takes stain so horribly. And my purple shampoo has just totally wrecked my shower basin. I would like to try to re-caulk the edges, no mold, right? And then because it's just one continuous white flat piece of plastic, I would like to get a very thin, very waterproof tile sticker in the shape of a tile. Maybe like a hexagon, something not too small that'll take me forever, but something big where I can actually lay it out. Then paint like a waterproof paint in between the tiles or just maybe paint the whole basement before I laid the tiles down. And then do a couple of coats of marine grade poly over it to make it look like-

Kathleen Martin: That's out of the box. You surprised me with that.

Kathleen Heaney: Right? Make it-

Kathleen Martin: That's cool.

Kathleen Heaney: Make it look like real tiles and see how long it holds up and really get those edges, replace my drain so I can seal where the drain is with the polyacrylic and then put a new drain in. I don't know. That is just one of my visions of a dirt cheap shower floor, DIY redo. Where would you use a peel and stick tile then? A lot of people maybe don't necessarily think to use peel and stick.

Kathleen Martin: I would. I've been seeing lately. Have you been seeing lately people doing glow ups on their garages if you're lucky enough to have a garage?

Kathleen Heaney: No. Is that a trending thing?

Kathleen Martin: Yeah. At least what I've been looking at. Maybe because it's just I'm trying to manifest it, but treating your garage as an extension of your home, I'm seeing really nice Rust-Oleum floor kits where you're throwing the confetti like that.

Kathleen Heaney: Oh, yes, yes.

Kathleen Martin: So whatever. Actually my neighbor did with glitter. Added glitter into it, so that's cool. So just how can you extend make your garage extension of your home. So I think it'd be nice if you had a work area or even a crafting area in your garage to make it a little fancier with something that doesn't cost a lot. So adding some peel and stick to the wall, maybe around some shelving or something like that to give it a little bit of fun in the garage.

Kathleen Heaney: Even imagine laying a temporary subfloor in your garage for your tool corner or whatever. And then you can trim out that subfloor to make this little area the whole garage maybe doesn't need peel and stick on the floor. Maybe if you were unhappy with how the floor looked like trimming out subfloors. Okay, let's take it a step further. Let's say you taking Instagram photos, but you're a renter and you've got carpet, but... The carpet in your house, right?

Kathleen Martin: Oh, yeah.

Kathleen Heaney: And you're like, "I want to take all these-"

Kathleen Martin: Plywood.

Kathleen Heaney: Yeah. "I want to take all these outfit photos, but this carpet is ruining my vibe."

Kathleen Martin: Oh my gosh, that's really smart.

Kathleen Heaney: Get some subfloor. Figure out where your camera hits when you're taking these photos. Put the tripod in the same spot every time and then everyone will be like, "Oh my god, you've got the most beautiful colorful chic floors in your house. Oh, I love your hardwood, but it's not really hardwood."

Kathleen Martin: Yeah, you just blew my mind.

Kathleen Heaney: It's just vinyl hardwood flooring that really does look like hardwood that you've just made a fake subfloor with.

Kathleen Martin: As someone who tries to take outfit photos and I have no good full length mirror, that just blew my mind. That is so true because you only need it as wide as that photo is. So you're looking into the mirror and you could get two pieces of plywood and some peel and stick tile.

Kathleen Heaney: Yeah. And you live in a mansion. You live in chicest, poshest mansion, and nobody knows.

Kathleen Martin: Screaming into the microphone. I'm just so in for that.

Kathleen Heaney: And then people come over, they're like, "Wait a minute."

Kathleen Martin: It's like the back is a green screen.

Kathleen Heaney: Yeah. Your friends come over and they're like, "But earlier in the week when you were posting your OOTD, you had these blonde hardwood wide plain floors. Where did that go?

Kathleen Martin: Shag.

Kathleen Heaney: And you're like, "Oh, that subfloor? That fake floor is in the bathroom right now."

Kathleen Martin: You just slide it under the bed.

Kathleen Heaney: It's just so crazy. See, the world is endless when it comes to peel and stick. A peel and stick oyster of sorts. So that is really just peel and stick 101 for people who are thinking about the idea, who want to continue thinking about it or who are interested in getting started with a really simple easy project. If you want more information about the products that we chatted about in this podcast, we'll of course have them in our show notes linked over there on our website, Kathleen Can Do It and on our podcast Instagram @kathleencandoit.

Kathleen Martin: I'll also share some picks of the peel and stick tile I used on my bathroom floor so you can get a sense of how it worked in real life. And like we mentioned in episode one, every week we are shouting out our favorite DIY accounts on Instagram, or Pinterest, or just something that's inspiring us online this week. An account I have to talk about is Melanie Thomas Design.

Kathleen Heaney: Yes. You told me about this account.

Kathleen Martin: I know.

Kathleen Heaney: And at one glance I was like follow, follow, follow.

Kathleen Martin: Sold. So her handle is @melanie_thomas_design. So you get it right. I'm colorful. She takes color pattern, texture to the next level. She's an account that really inspires me because sometimes even though I am colorful, I'm still playing it safe, Brian.

Kathleen Heaney: I get what you mean because you want to mix patterns and then you're like, "Wait, no, I can't do that." And before you know it, like me, I'm like this house is an Easter egg threw up in here because I'm afraid to go bold when I want to go bold.

Kathleen Martin: Right. She's super bold. Everywhere you look is just perfectly curated and I am loving it. She has this Andy Warhol banana pillow.

Kathleen Heaney: Yes, yes, yes. In her bedroom. That was a recent reel that you posted, right?

Kathleen Martin: Yeah. It's pinned at the top and it's whimsical, it's fun, but it's still sophisticated, highly recommend. And it looks like she does e-design. Oh, so that's something to check out. So definitely give her a follow.

Kathleen Heaney: She is proof that you should lean into the whimsy.

Kathleen Martin: Yes, check her out.

Kathleen Heaney: Oh, awesome. And this week I'm shouting out @delancey.diy because Delancey is my queen. I love her account. I learned so much from her about power tools. A couple of weeks ago she posted about this thick fatty fat anchor for drywall.

Kathleen Martin: I saw that so I know what you're talking about.

Kathleen Heaney: Yeah. These big fat white anchors for hanging anything in drywall. I have a couple of lamps that are hanging off the wall.

Kathleen Martin: Always.

Kathleen Heaney: They were total life savers for me. I ran to Home Depot based on Delancey's suggestion and I'm never looking back. But more recently she did a reel about a brad nailer versus a pin nailer, which I found very helpful because I'm in the process of installing a box trim in my apartment, aka shadow box molding. I guess some people call that, I don't know, box trim rolls off the tongue a touch more easily for me. So @delancey.diy on Instagram. You're going to love her account.

Kathleen Martin: Definitely. Don't forget you can send us a voicemail. Our number is 201-378-3378. We want to hear about your DIYs, what's working, what's not. Let's chat.

Kathleen Heaney: Yes. And in an upcoming episode, we just got an email from a listener who needs some tips, affordable tips on sprucing up a temporary home. She's staying in a cottage in the Hamptons.

Kathleen Martin: Oh my god. Such a dream.

Kathleen Heaney: I know. The Hamptons. I'm so sorry for you. No, I'm joking.

Kathleen Martin: So cottage.

Kathleen Heaney: No, she sent us photos of the cottage that she's staying in and it needs like a little happy spruce. So we'll be helping that listener out with some affordable tips probably next episode. And other than that, you can reach out to us, hello@kathleencandoit.com or follow us on our personal socials. Me, Kathleen Heaney, I'm @kathleenlovescolor.

Kathleen Martin: And me, Kathleen Martin @createacolorfullife.

Kathleen Heaney: We also have a Facebook account, facebook.com/kathleencandoitpodcast.

Kathleen Martin: And remember if Kathleen can do it, you can do it too.

Kathleen Heaney: If Kathleen can do it, you can do it too.

Kathleen Martin: Did I get it that time?