Older people told: "get online or miss out" Is that fair? #BBCNolan

"GO ONLINE OR MISS OUT" - That's the message to older people from a senior Tory Minister. Francis Maude wants OAPs to start using the internet or risk losing access to government services. Some pensioners' groups have reacted with fury, saying that elderly people are becoming 'second-class citizens'. Lisa spoke to Dot Gibson from the National Pensioners Convention and the commentator Niamh Horan. Lisa started by asking Dot what she thought about the comments